Rolling up like a scroll

Well, that isn't exactly rolling up like a scroll. It's more of just a hole of some sort.

visionary said:

Is this the beginning of the end? Something appears to have ripped a hole in the Milky Way and scientists don’t know what

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Interesting that what 'found' this was a satellite named 'gaia'

Gaia is the ancestral mother of all life: the primal Mother Earth goddess. She is the immediate parent of Uranus (the sky), from whose sexual union she bore the Titans (themselves parents of many of the Olympian gods) and the Giants, and of Pontus (the sea), from whose union she bore the primordial sea gods.

In Greek mythology, Gaia was one of the primordial deities, or first gods and goddesses, and the divine personification of the Earth. She was considered to be the first material thing born into the cosmos out of Chaos. ... Uranus and Gaia had the twelve divine beings known as the Titans.

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Genesis 1
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.


Amos 5:20 Shall not the day of the L-RD be darkness, and not light? even very dark, and no brightness in it?

Ex 10:
The Ninth Plague: Darkness

21 And the L-RD said unto Moses, Stretch out thine hand toward heaven, that there may be darkness over the land of Egypt, even darkness which may be felt.
22 And Moses stretched forth his hand toward heaven; and there was a thick darkness in all the land of Egypt three days:
23 They saw not one another, neither rose any from his place for three days: but all the children of Israel had light in their dwellings.



Joel 2
1 Blow the trumpet in Zion; sound the alarm on My holy mountain! Let all who dwell in the land tremble, for the Day of the L-RD is coming; in fact, it is at hand—
2 a day of darkness and gloom, a day of clouds and blackness. Like the dawn overspreading the mountains a great and strong people appears, such as never was of old, nor will ever be in ages to come.
3 Before them a fire devours, and behind them a flame scorches. The land before them is like the Garden of Eden, but behind them, it is like a desert wasteland—surely nothing will escape...

It is interesting to note that in Joel 2:2 there are three Hebrew words that are translated 'darkness' or 'gloominess'. Let's look at them.

A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, [even] to the years of many generations.

darkness - ḥō·šeḵ or choshek -This is the word used in Genesis 1:2,4,5 and 18. It is also used in Isa 45:7


Darkness or gloominess - specified as 'deep' darkness - aphelah
This is the same word used in Ex:10 where darkness covers all Egypt in a darkness that could be felt.

Thick Darkness - araphel
This thick darkness is what G-d hides himself in, as in Exodus 20-20 when the people are scared and Moses goes up to meet with Him.

That word is also used in 2 Samuel 22:10 where one of Davids psalms is recorded outside the book of Psalms. It speaks of this darkness associated with the Holy One.

7In my distress I called upon the L-RD, and cried to my God: and he did hear my voice out of his temple, and my cry did enter into his ears.

8Then the earth shook and trembled; the foundations of heaven moved and shook, because he was wroth.

9There went up a smoke out of his nostrils, and fire out of his mouth devoured: coals were kindled by it.

10He bowed the heavens also, and came down; and darkness was under his feet.

11And he rode upon a cherub, and did fly: and he was seen upon the wings of the wind.

12And he made darkness pavilions round about him, dark waters, and thick clouds of the skies.

It seems this darkness is associated inextricably with HaShem himself.


1Kings 8:12 King Solomon on the dedication of the Holy Temple

10 And it came to pass, when the priests were come out of the holy place, that the cloud filled the house of the L-RD,
11 So that the priests could not stand to minister because of the cloud: for the glory of the L-RD had filled the house of the L-RD.

12 Then spake Solomon, The L-RD said that he would dwell in the thick darkness.

13 I have surely built thee an house to dwell in, a settled place for thee to abide in for ever.

araphel is used here as well and again it seems to be inextricably related to the L-RD himself.

visionary said:

Is this the beginning of the end? Something appears to have ripped a hole in the Milky Way and scientists don’t know what

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Very interesting article and subject of conversation. Especially considering the timing of the black hole data.
I'd only hope the pier reviews would of been shared.
There are a number of factors involved that could likely dismiss the probability of dark matter in this instance. Nothing man made is perfect after all.

The nomenclature of black hole and dark matter themselves are not even close to accurately representing the observable forces.
I once offered a theory to family member of mine who very much is versed in mathematics and physics about this a few yrs back.
I posed the question: "what if the unobservable matter is merely outside our time scale"?

Thank yo sis for bringing the topic of science to the forum.

Blessings Always

Lulav said:

"tidal streams produced by stars escaping from globular clusters—normally found at the edges of a galaxy. The stellar halo of the Milky Way is full of these tidal streams."

"If there is nothing to disturb them, the streams are almost uniform in terms of their density. However, Bonaca noticed there was a hole in one. “The on-sky morphology suggests a recent, close encounter with a massive and dense perturber,” an abstract to her work reported."

"What this “perturber” is, however, is unknown. "It's a dense bullet of something," Bonaca told LiveScience. Telescopes failed to find the source—so what could it be?"

"The hole is enormous, so whatever made it must also have been. "It's much more massive than a star,” she told the website. “Something like a million times the mass of the sun.''

"the perturbation could have been made by dark matter. This is the mystery substance that makes up about 27 percent of the universe. Scientists know it is there because of the gravitational force it exerts on normal matter—but because it is “dark,” in that it does not reflect light, we cannot see what it is."​

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Genesis 1
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.


Amos 5:20 Shall not the day of the L-RD be darkness, and not light? even very dark, and no brightness in it?

Ex 10:
The Ninth Plague: Darkness

21 And the L-RD said unto Moses, Stretch out thine hand toward heaven, that there may be darkness over the land of Egypt, even darkness which may be felt.
22 And Moses stretched forth his hand toward heaven; and there was a thick darkness in all the land of Egypt three days:
23 They saw not one another, neither rose any from his place for three days: but all the children of Israel had light in their dwellings.



Joel 2
1 Blow the trumpet in Zion; sound the alarm on My holy mountain! Let all who dwell in the land tremble, for the Day of the L-RD is coming; in fact, it is at hand—
2 a day of darkness and gloom, a day of clouds and blackness. Like the dawn overspreading the mountains a great and strong people appears, such as never was of old, nor will ever be in ages to come.
3 Before them a fire devours, and behind them a flame scorches. The land before them is like the Garden of Eden, but behind them, it is like a desert wasteland—surely nothing will escape...

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Hag'ashash is wonderful reminder of things to come.
I once implored a woman to remind her computer code writing husband to explore the terrain of the Torah with mathematical precision.

As for the medial industrial complex currently presented as a form of deflection.
There is no coming back from the mark of the beast.
Even legitimate scientist that have been misrepresented have realized the evil congruent nature of a curse.

Messerve said:

Well, that isn't exactly rolling up like a scroll. It's more of just a hole of some sort.

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Oh,
Where failure of understand in honey is found. There a person may or may not find strength in the spiritual jaw that kills the thousands of presumpteuos thoughts strangled with blood.
If only a mountain matters more than fear were found.
Perhaps when water and fire would be found in a voice of truth. A judge would be found hidden like sand in a pearl.
I wonder again why a courageuse man poured water 4 times on a fateful day?

pinacled said:

Oh,
Where failure of understand in honey is found. There a person may or may not find strength in the spiritual jaw that kills the thousands of presumpteuos thoughts strangled with blood.
If only a mountain matters more than fear were found.
Perhaps when water and fire would be found in a voice of truth. A judge would be found hidden like sand in a pearl.
I wonder again why a courageuse man poured water 4 times on a fateful day?

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??? I don't understand what you wrote...

So reading pinacled's post many times very carefully, I think the point is that many people (like myself?) speak out of presumption, in his opinion, and that he's the grain of sand inside a pearl / the voice of truth which is both water and fire / the spiritual jaw which destroys presumptuous thoughts. But he's lamenting that his words are easily lost amidst everyone else's.

Could he also be the courageous man who poured water four times (shared his wisdom four times with others) and the day was fateful because no one paid heed to his words?

I'm not sure about the mountain and fear comment...

I guess I'll move on, unless Pinacled would like to help me understand his last post better.

Messerve said:

So reading pinacled's post many times very carefully, I think the point is that many people (like myself?) speak out of presumption, in his opinion, and that he's the grain of sand inside a pearl / the voice of truth which is both water and fire / the spiritual jaw which destroys presumptuous thoughts. But he's lamenting that his words are easily lost amidst everyone else's.

Could he also be the courageous man who poured water four times (shared his wisdom four times with others) and the day was fateful because no one paid heed to his words?

I'm not sure about the mountain and fear comment...

I guess I'll move on, unless Pinacled would like to help me understand his last post better.

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Maybe you just gotta feel it...like poetry...

Tone said:

Maybe you just gotta feel it...like poetry...

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That's kind of what I'm thinking. Lots of imagery perhaps.

visionary said:

For those who been studying the mazzaroth signs, this hole lives inside the Virgo constellation, is currently moving near Libra. Should not the beginning give us clues as to the end.

With fascination, it was claimed that the moon was at her (Virgo) feet. "And there appeared a great wonder in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars" In Revelation, that happened just before she is given wings for flight from the dragon. It was a great sign in heaven. Rev 12:1.

We watched in wonder, as this sign to come and went. Along with all the eclipses of the moon, we tried to connect with prophecy fulfilling in our day, but it still came up short.

Now we are looking at this big hole in the constellation. Because of its positioning in the sign Virgo, it makes it even more interesting, because of the story that goes with this sign. This sign as been named the Virgin. Libra on the other hand is The Scales or the Balance. These scales represent the whole theme of redemption, or purchases, and describe a commercial transaction.

Now doesn't that bring judgment prophecies to mind. In Roman times the Sun entered Libra on the autumnal equinox (about September 23), when the length of day and night are about equally balanced. Another coincidence. Thus a coming of justice which is where Libra is in the astrological position opposite of Aries the Ram or Lamb. The NT theme of redemption is the position of human beings as slaves of sin (John 8:33-34). Psalms 106:10 "He…redeemed them from the hand of the enemy." Daniel 5:24-30 "…the writing that was written, MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN…the interpretation of the thing:

MENE; God hath numbered thy kingdom, and finished it…
TEKEL; Thou art weighed in the balances, and art found wanting…
PERES; Thy kingdom is divided, and given to the Medes and Persians…"

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If I've misunderstood your post, please forgive. From What I read in the article, the, 'blip so to speak was found in an arm of the milky way galaxy and very near by.
So in comparison to mazzaroth or constellation they would not share the same spacial line of sight from earth.

Then again, it has been decades since I've followed astronomical science.

My visual model is two rings. The mazzaroth being one and the milky way belt another.

Interesting subject sis.