Trump Immigration plan rolled out to little fanfare

essentialsaltes said:

As a signature issue of his campaign, you'd think there'd be more to talk about. What do people think?

Trump unveils plan to ‘transform’ America’s immigration system, focus on high-skilled workers

The average yearly wage of legal immigrants is approximately $43,000. Administration officials said Wednesday that immigrants admitted based on education and skills would have an average income of $126,000, and they would expect the average yearly wage of all immigrants to rise to roughly $96,000.

While I can understand the boost to the tax base, I wonder how the Trump base reacts to having the immigrants being pretty elite.

The plan does not deal with those already in the country illegally, including those who came to the country as children and were protected under an Obama-era executive order.

Early reviews are pretty negative from both Republicans and Democrats.

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The (oh, let’s just call it) “reasoning” here is:

“We got to the present by accepting nearly anyone who wanted to immigrate to America, just think how much more better it would be now if we had limited legal immigration to the ‘smart & wealthy’.”

I think it is safe to say this is dead on arrival in the house.

essentialsaltes said:

As a signature issue of his campaign, you'd think there'd be more to talk about. What do people think?

Trump unveils plan to ‘transform’ America’s immigration system, focus on high-skilled workers

The average yearly wage of legal immigrants is approximately $43,000. Administration officials said Wednesday that immigrants admitted based on education and skills would have an average income of $126,000, and they would expect the average yearly wage of all immigrants to rise to roughly $96,000.

While I can understand the boost to the tax base, I wonder how the Trump base reacts to having the immigrants being pretty elite.

The plan does not deal with those already in the country illegally, including those who came to the country as children and were protected under an Obama-era executive order.

Early reviews are pretty negative from both Republicans and Democrats.

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Instead of training and education for American citizens for these high paying jobs, Americans can work the $10-15.00 an hour jobs and the trained and educated immigrates can have the high paying jobs. Most of them have been/will be educated in the US but they aren't eligible for education grants and school loans. Kill two birds with one stone.

Anybody with $500,000 can go to the head of the line in the immigration game if they invest it in "creating jobs." The Kushner and Trump families have been bringing in Chinese families with $500,000 to prop up their failing businesses--especially 666 Fifth Avenue, a Kushner white elephant property.

So why are they setting up this law for bright people with earning potential of $126,000 a year? Let them save up their $500 grand and come in with the rest of the millionaires.
Kushner family in Beijing: 'Invest $500,000 and immigrate' to US

essentialsaltes said:

As a signature issue of his campaign, you'd think there'd be more to talk about. What do people think?

Trump unveils plan to ‘transform’ America’s immigration system, focus on high-skilled workers

The average yearly wage of legal immigrants is approximately $43,000. Administration officials said Wednesday that immigrants admitted based on education and skills would have an average income of $126,000, and they would expect the average yearly wage of all immigrants to rise to roughly $96,000.

While I can understand the boost to the tax base, I wonder how the Trump base reacts to having the immigrants being pretty elite.

The plan does not deal with those already in the country illegally, including those who came to the country as children and were protected under an Obama-era executive order.

Early reviews are pretty negative from both Republicans and Democrats.

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It's pretty stupid. We seem to have real problems with immigration and this addresses none of them.

There are 3 rather separate sets of immigration issues. This bill addresses ISSUE SET THREE and is dead on arrival since there is opposition from both Democrats and Republicans.

As was the case in 2016, at least some of the immigration issues are important to lots of voters. We are a long way from the election but it seems that immigration, health care, the economy, and Trump himself (and his incompetent administration) will be the major issues. However, climate change and abortion have a good chance of being important in some key states.

ISSUE SET ONE - THE BORDER
Here are the issues of the asylum seekers, the traffickers, and those who want to enter illegally. Also, here we have the issues of Trump's (purposely) inhumane policies.

ISSUE SET TWO - DACA AND THE UNDOCUMENTED
This set of issues should be primary for Democrats. We are talking about tens of millions of those already in the country, almost all of whom contribute to the society and the economy. As Reagan did when he was president, we need to have roads to citizenship and legal status for these folks.

We also need to implement national tracking of those who come in so that these numbers don't continue to increase. E-verify and tracking of visas are two key issues here.

ISSUE SET THREE - FUTURE LEGAL IMMIGRATION
This is important and what the new bill addresses. Yes we need skilled workers. We also need relatively "unskilled" agricultural, construction, hospitality and landscape workers. Trump believes wrongly that the highly skilled tech workers will be white. We should grant immediate visas at graduation to all those graduating here in any of STEM disciplines. However, we should NOT make the mistake of excluding the unskilled workers needed. Otherwise, we will have the problems of an aging work force that other developed countries struggle with.

We do need tech workers. And yes, there are plenty of tech jobs going unfilled. We should spend lots money training our own, but that is only part of the solution.

The US has had historically high immigration rates over the past few decades. The question is who we should favor in our legal immigration policy. Some opt to favor those who would fill the jobs available and likely to be available in tech, agriculture, construction, hospitality and landscaping. Others want to favor instead the extended families of recent immigrants. This is a legitimate debate. Of course, many Republicans want to reduce the number of legal immigrants (a hidden agenda). I'm fine with reduced immigration for as much as a decade if we give citizenship to the DACA and undocumented workers already here and contributing.

Personally, I think that we would be in a much better situation a decade from now if we focus on increasing the number of our new citizens by having citizens come from the DACA folks, the undocumented, AND from legal immigrants who can fill the millions jobs that are available. Many, many of these jobs are NOT the $125K tech jobs.

Hank77 said:

Instead of training and education for American citizens for these high paying jobs, Americans can work the $10-15.00 an hour jobs and the trained and educated immigrates can have the high paying jobs. Most of them have been/will be educated in the US but they aren't eligible for education grants and school loans. Kill two birds with one stone.

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mark46 said:

We do need tech workers. And yes, there are plenty of tech jobs going unfilled. We should spend lots money training our own, but that is only part of the solution.

The US has had historically high immigration rates over the past few decades. The question is who we should favor in our legal immigration policy. Some opt to favor those who would fill the jobs available and likely to be available in tech, agriculture, construction, hospitality and landscaping. Others want to favor instead the extended families of recent immigrants. This is a legitimate debate. Of course, many Republicans want to reduce the number of legal immigrants (a hidden agenda). I'm fine with reduced immigration for as much as a decade if we give citizenship to the DACA and undocumented workers already here and contributing.

Personally, I think that we would be in a much better situation a decade from now if we focus on increasing the number of our new citizens by having citizens come from the DACA folks, the undocumented, AND from legal immigrants who can fill the millions jobs that are available. Many, many of these jobs are NOT the $125K tech jobs.

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Thank you for your response to this issue. I agree with several of your views and suggestions. Here are just a couple of my thoughts.

mark46 said:

We should grant immediate visas at graduation to all those graduating here in any of STEM disciplines.

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This I don't agree with. Each individual should be considered on an individual basis before graduation. Some of these grads are needed in their own countries of original. It might be a better plan to guarantee them a visa after they have returned to serve in their own country for a few years before returning to the US.
There are many qualified students in the US that just can't afforded the high cost of college. I'm thinking mainly in the medical fields where there simply aren't enough openings at medical training hospitals/not enough training hospitals even if one can afford to go. For that reason I'm more concerned about making opportunities for our own US high school grads. than I am with bringing in immigrate students.

essentialsaltes said:

As a signature issue of his campaign, you'd think there'd be more to talk about. What do people think?

Trump unveils plan to ‘transform’ America’s immigration system, focus on high-skilled workers

The average yearly wage of legal immigrants is approximately $43,000. Administration officials said Wednesday that immigrants admitted based on education and skills would have an average income of $126,000, and they would expect the average yearly wage of all immigrants to rise to roughly $96,000.

While I can understand the boost to the tax base, I wonder how the Trump base reacts to having the immigrants being pretty elite.

The plan does not deal with those already in the country illegally, including those who came to the country as children and were protected under an Obama-era executive order.

Early reviews are pretty negative from both Republicans and Democrats.

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Why does Donald hate families?

And you would think that most the Dreamers would qualify under these new rules, but he seems determined to get rid of them for some reason of his own.

I see he's telling the same lies about family reunification visas. I don't know which possibility is worst. That he is intentionally lying to people about what American immigration law is, or he honestly doesn't know what America's immigration laws are.

There are many foreigners graduating from US colleges who want to fill our tech jobs. Many want to start their own businesses. The folks I have heard most about are from Asian countries. Personally, I think it wrong for the US government to decide that they should work in their countries a few years before seeking a visa. They are citizens. It is for the country of origin to make those requirements.
Should we really kick out Indians and South Koreans who have sent 4 years here and want to stay?

I strong agree that we should do all we can to train our own for jobs that are available or that are likely to become available. Apprenticeship and college aid programs will certainly help.

Hank77 said:

Thank you for your response to this issue. I agree with several of your views and suggestions. Here are just a couple of my thoughts.

This I don't agree with. Each individual should be considered on an individual basis before graduation. Some of these grads are needed in their own countries of original. It might be a better plan to guarantee them a visa after they have returned to serve in their own country for a few years before returning to the US.
There are many qualified students in the US that just can't afforded the high cost of college. I'm thinking mainly in the medical fields where there simply aren't enough openings at medical training hospitals/not enough training hospitals even if one can afford to go. For that reason I'm more concerned about making opportunities for our own US high school grads. than I am with bringing in immigrate students.

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mark46 said:

Should we really kick out Indians and South Koreans who have sent 4 years here and want to stay?

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They are here on student visas that are not permanent. I don't have any problem with them being sent home with an US education to help their own nation prosper.

I must have miscommunicated. I apologize.

I certainly have no problem with students going back to their own countries and being tech workers in say India and South Korea.

My point is that we should offer green cards instead of automatically sending them home. We are discussing people who WANT to stay in our country.

Hank77 said:

They are here on student visas that are not permanent. I don't have any problem with them being sent home with an US education to help their own nation prosper.

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If they go back to their own countries how will they pay their student loans? They shoulda gone to Europe-- much cheaper.

I suspect that foreign students have the lowest amount of student loans.

Fantine said:

If they go back to their own countries how will they pay their student loans? They shoulda gone to Europe-- much cheaper.

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Paulos23 said:

I think it is safe to say this is dead on arrival in the house.

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Nothing worse than having something dead arrive at your house. My cat Don John does that from time to time.

No one should be counting on Trump. E-verify is just one of the issues that needs to be considered whenever Congress actually wants to legislatively deal with decreasing the numbers of illegal immigrants.

essentialsaltes said:

If you were hoping Trump would protect Americans from job competition from illegal aliens by a stronger use of E-Verify, you will likely be disappointed.

President Trump said in an interview airing Sunday that he has concerns about a verification system that checks whether someone can work in the United States legally — a tool that his namesake business began using company-wide earlier this year.

The president’s resistance to E-Verify is also likely to further disappoint advocates of immigration restrictions, who were already displeased when the White House introduced an immigration plan that would not reduce the overall number of green cards issued per year.

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essentialsaltes said:

If you were hoping Trump would protect Americans from job competition from illegal aliens by a stronger use of E-Verify, you will likely be disappointed.

President Trump said in an interview airing Sunday that he has concerns about a verification system that checks whether someone can work in the United States legally — a tool that his namesake business began using company-wide earlier this year.

The president’s resistance to E-Verify is also likely to further disappoint advocates of immigration restrictions, who were already displeased when the White House introduced an immigration plan that would not reduce the overall number of green cards issued per year.

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He has concerns....