Women Preachers...The truth!

timewerx said:

their patriarchal ways!

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All through all Scripture, Yahuweh's people: patriarchal. Directed by the Creator Himself: patriarchal. Instructions by the Creator Himself: patriarchal.

Perfect in every way: patriarchal. Yahuweh's Purpose, Plan and Salvation in Yahushua Perfectly orchestrated, Perfectly carried out, through all the years....

Why futilely claim otherwise !?

AllDayFaith said:

The whole discussion is whether women should be preaching, and I'm saying that yes they can, and should be a part of the whole process.

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I'm pretty sure we know where you stand on the issue. I am not sure that you understand the point I was making in my previous post. It was that there is a difference between can and should. Very few people doubt that a woman preacher can deliver as good a sermon as a man, counsel parishioners as well, conduct the service, and the like. The issue is whether or not she should.

Were Adam and Eve really undergoing punishment for what they did? I don't see God punishing them. I see God saying, because you have done this the entire trajectory of humanity has shifted into a different direction, but what he did was not acts of punishment but acts of protection and salvation. In the world as it has become fallen, living eternally in such a place would be the most horrific curse imaginable. Women are capable of leading and teaching men, but how legitimate a role is that? Biblically women leaders tend to crop up because the nation of Israel fell into wickedness and God essentially says: You are so bad I will put women over you as a consequence of your incapacity to act according to my will.

Albion said:

I'm pretty sure we know where you stand on the issue. I am not sure that you understand the point I was making in my previous post. It was that there is a difference between can and should. Very few people doubt that a woman preacher can deliver as good a sermon as a man, counsel parishioners as well, conduct the service, and the like. The issue is whether or not she should.

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I thought Anglicans allowed female clergy.

Albion said:

The issue is whether or not she should.

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Why is there even an issue with a woman preaching?

There is an issue with women preaching as in being pastors or elders because of 1st Timothy 2. Paul plainly makes it known that women are not to teach in this area specifically at the very least.

If y'all say it is because of the culture at the time, then tell me, which words from the greek even suggest Paul is speaking only from a cultural perspective only?

Give me clear evidence directly from scripture, that is ALL I'm asking. I simply desire that you backup your claims with actual scripture verses. (If not, then what's the point in this conversation.)

Oh and for something extra to chew on, why were there never any biblical female leaders that had crazy high leadership roles like kings or overseers?? In the thousands of years the earth has existed and over all the several covenants God created with His people, why all of a sudden now in our culture deems it okay for female leadership to be equal with male leadership?

Well, I don't know. But Paul was probably still persecuting the church when he taught that subject, I mean he sounded a bit sneaky and arrogant in part of his teachings lol

kdm1984 said:

Most of this is correct, but it's not true that women are more loving than men. God is love, and God is male, therefore the woman cannot be more loving than the man.

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Well, I'd say that women are not more loving than men because we're both equally made in the image of the God who is love.

But God is not male. Maleness is a biological trait, and God is not a biological entity.

Albion said:

Where does that leave ANY part of the Bible then?

The writers were men, the leading personalities described in the Bible were men, most of the activities were conducted by men. What should we do with all of that, in your view? Toss it?

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How about reading it critically?

David Cabrera said:

I thought Anglicans allowed female clergy.

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Not all, sadly.

BTW if a woman who is a preacher is right with the Lord and in complete accordance with the Bible and her preaching aligns with the words of our Lord, I see no reason why she can't preach.. we are one in Jesus and I believe it's not the messenger but the message that counts the most...

If a female or "woman" can be saved or receive heaven, she can preach the word of God also dude....

I will now be departing from this thread... But in all love and peace and happiness in Christ Jesus, I pray everybody will be able to come to a final truthful conclusion to this topic!

kdm1984 said:

Most of this is correct, but it's not true that women are more loving than men. God is love, and God is male, therefore the woman cannot be more loving than the man.

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Didn't mean that, just softer, gentler, compassionate, affectionate and nurturing kind of Love that little ones need growing up. You know the differences between Mom and Dad, well traditionally. The modern family today ... oh boy!

Albion said:

You know, that reminds me of what was said a few generations ago when women were not much represented in the top positions of government. They would give us peace and harmony, it was argued. Not like men. After all, women are for such things.

Then came such heads of government as Indira Gandhi, Golda Maier, Margaret Thatcher, and some others...all of whom took their countries into war.

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When women are first allowed into positions of power, only women who are as “tough” as men in their approach are allowed to succeed. It is when you start to see large numbers of women in leadership - like we see in congress recently - that the balancing effect happens.

kdm1984 said:

Yeah so done with this thread. OP is convinced in his own mind. Ignore him and leave him alone.

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With all due respect, I think it is against the rules here to talk about other posters without addressing them directly. We are all convinced in our own minds, and unless someone is being rude or abusive there is no reason to encourage others to ignore them. It’s a discussion, people are going to disagree.

timewerx said:

The Patriarchy in those times is horrific to say the least. Is that more Godly?

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You can't measure "patriarchy" using the unGodly's example.
Unless, that is, you consider God's patriarchy horrific.
Do you?

You should also try to understand Genesis 3:16. Why would God punish Eve by making her submit to Adam if she already did it before?

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Because she disobeyed God.

She was created to be a help-mate for Adam, after all.

Are you postulating that "we" should remove the punishment of God incurred by the first woman?
That seems kinda egotistical to me.

timewerx said:

I don't think that's what God is saying.

Because in reality, the most gender-equal nations are prospering. They have very little poverty, very little crime rates, and life is so easy. Their citizens don't even care about money!

Isn't the love of money the root of all evil? Isn't the love/greed of money a bigger problem in less gender equal nations?

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Gender equal countries....prosperous ... low crime ... and they don't care about money? Really? Where? Have you been listening to Bernie Sanders? I'll agree that greed has got a hold on most of the planet, It has about destroyed the US.

Jen35 said:

Well, I don't know. But Paul was probably still persecuting the church when he taught that subject, I mean he sounded a bit sneaky and arrogant in part of his teachings lol

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LOL .
Still persecuting the church...funny.

Jen35 said:

BTW if a woman who is a preacher is right with the Lord and in complete accordance with the Bible and her preaching aligns with the words of our Lord, I see no reason why she can't preach.. we are one in Jesus and I believe it's not the messenger but the message that counts the most...

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If she is "right with the Lord", why would she balk at 2 Tin 2:12?