What do you think of the statement by Rabbi Jesus that John was Elijah somehow?

And His disciples asked Him, “Why then do the scribes say that Elijah must come first?” 11 And He answered and said, “Elijah is coming and will restore all things; 12 but I say to you that Elijah already came, and they did not recognize him, but did [d]to him whatever they wished. So also the Son of Man is going to suffer [e]at their hands.” 13 Then the disciples understood that He had spoken to them about John the Baptist.

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12 He had a dream, and behold, a ladder was set on the earth with its top reaching to heaven; and behold, the angels of God were ascending and descending on it.

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ElijahW said:

The duty of Elijah was to identify the true king of Israel. When Jesus accepts John's claim that Jesus is the one they have been waiting for, John fulfills Elijah's role.

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And many resorted unto him, and said, John did no miracle: but all things that John spake of this man were true.

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ElijahW said:

The duty of Elijah was to identify the true king of Israel. When Jesus accepts John's claim that Jesus is the one they have been waiting for, John fulfills Elijah's role.

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Anne Frank died in the Bergen-Belsen concentration camp in 1945. Less than ten years later, in 1954, Barbro Karlen was born to Christian parents in Sweden. When she was less than three years old, Barbro told her parents that her name was not Barbro, but Anne Frank. Barbro's parents had no idea of who Anne Frank was, as the book, Anne Frank: Diary of a Young Girl, also known as The Diary of Anne Frank, had not yet been translated or published in Swedish.

Barbro relates that her parents wanted her to call them "Ma and Pa," but Barbro knew that they were not her real parents. Barbro even told her mother that her real parents would soon come to get her and take her to her real home. During her childhood, Barbro told her parents details of her life as Anne, which her parents thought were fantasies. In addition, Barbro had nightmares as a child, in which men ran up the stairs and kicked in the door to her family's attic hiding place. An image of the Frank's attic hiding place, which has the red tile roof, is provided below and to the right.

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For dogs have surrounded me;
[n]A band of evildoers has encompassed me;
[o]They pierced my hands and my feet.
17 I can count all my bones.
They look, they stare at me;
18 They divide my garments among them,
And for my clothing they cast lots.

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Jesus gives him a tour of four different dimensions in the afterlife. They both fly toward a large city on Earth where they notice a group of assembly-line workers at work. He witnesses the spirit of a woman trying desperately to obtain a cigarette from the workers who are oblivious to her presence. This woman died severely addicted to cigarettes.

In a house, Jesus shows him the spirit of a boy following a living teenage girl and begging for forgiveness while the girl is completely unaware of the boy's presence. Jesus tells George that the boy committed suicide and is "chained to every consequence of his act."

Jesus shows George a bar filled with sailors who are heavily drinking. Spirits try desperately and in vain to get a drink or to control the sailors' alcoholic behavior. These spirits are from humans who die severely alcoholic. He is horrified as he observes a drunken sailor pass out and an alcoholic spirit jump into the body of the sailor.

Jesus takes him to a new dimension away from Earth and shows him a kind of "receiving station" where spirits would arrive in a deep hypnotic sleep because of their beliefs. These are spirits who believe they must sleep after death until Jesus returns.

Jesus shows him a dimension where angry spirits are locked in hand-to-hand combat, trying in vain to hurt each other. He hears verbal abuse going on. He observes some trying in vain to get sexual gratification from each other. He also sees spirits arguing over some religious or political point and trying to kill the ones who did not agree with them. Here, he realizes he is seeing hell. These are spirits who are locked into some earthly desire that went beyond the physical and which cannot be satisfied in the spirit.

He is then taken to a different dimension appearing like an enormous university. Here he observes people dressed as monks engaged in some form of artistic behavior or research. He is taken into an enormous library where all the important books of the universe are assembled. He asks Jesus if this is heaven. He replies that these are the people who grew beyond selfish desires while on Earth. George realizes these people cannot see Jesus, just as the others could not see him in hell.

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Ian Pretyman Stevenson, MD, (October 31, 1918–February 8, 2007) was a Canadian biochemist and professor of psychiatry. Until his retirement in 2002, he was head of the Division of Perceptual Studies at the University of Virginia School of Medicine, which investigates the paranormal.[1]

Stevenson considered that the concept of reincarnation might supplement those of heredity and environment in helping modern medicine to understand aspects of human behavior and development.[2] He traveled extensively over a period of 40 years to investigate 3,000 childhood cases that suggested to him the possibility of past lives.[

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daq said:

Again ~ Answer the question put forth in the twin thread from the MJ Forum and you will begin to understand the truth of the matter, (and it has nothing to do with reincarnation).

Mark 9:11-13 ASV
11. And they asked him, saying, How is it that the scribes say that Elijah must first come?
12. And he said unto them, Elijah indeed cometh first, and restoreth all things: and how is it written of the Son of man, that he should suffer many things and be set at nought?
13. But I say unto you, that Elijah is come, and they have also done unto him whatsoever they would, even as it is written of him.

WHERE is it WRITTEN of John ha-Qowre' mashiyach Elias that they would KARATH him off?

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3772 karath kaw-rath' a primitive root; to cut (off, down or asunder); by implication , to destroy or consume; specifically, to covenant (i.e. make an alliance or bargain, originally by cutting flesh and passing between the pieces):--be chewed, be con-(feder-)ate, covenant, cut (down, off), destroy, fail, feller, be freed, hew (down), make a league ((covenant)), X lose, perish, X utterly, X want.

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And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

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I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

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daq said:

Wow! You only missed it by one verse …
However, perhaps it is best examined starting elsewhere:

Isaiah 45:1-4 KJV
1. Thus saith the Lord to his anointed, [HSN#4899 mashiyach] to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him; and I will loose the loins of kings, to open before him the two leaved gates; and the gates shall not be shut;
2. I will go before thee, and make the crooked places straight: I will break in pieces the gates of brass, and cut in sunder the bars of iron:
3. And I will give thee the treasures of darkness, and hidden riches of secret places, that thou mayest know that I, the Lord, which call thee by thy name, am the God of Israel.
4. For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.

The name Kowresh might possibly be a play on HSN#7121 Qara'-Qowre' which means to call or to cry out. Do not let the quoting of the TUA Bible throw you off as it is mainly to help explain where the name ha-Qowre' (Romanized-Hellenized Transliteration) comes from. The fact that the same is already used as a proper name is revealed in the story of Samson and the jawbone of the donkey which occurred at `Eyn- ha-Qowre' (Judges 15:19) of the same proper name:

Isaiah 45:1-4 TUA
1. Koh- 'amar YHWH limashiyachow, l-Kowresh, 'sher-hechzaqtiy biymiynow lrad- lpanayw gowyim, Uwmatney mlakiym'pateach, liptoach lpanayw dlatayim uwsh`ariym lo'yicageruw:
2. 'Aniy lpaneyka 'elek. Wahrariym {*}'yasher {*}. Daltowt nchuwshah 'shaber ; uwbriychey barzel'gadea`.
3. Wnatatiy lka 'owtsrowt choshek, uwmaTmuneymictariym, lma`an teda` kiy- 'niy YHWH, ha-Qowre' bshimka, 'Elohey Yisra'el.
4. Lma`an `abdiy, Ya`aqob, w-Yisra'el,bchiyriy, wa'eqra' lka bishmeka. 'Akanka, wlo' yda`taniy.

John is the voice of THE CRYER in the wilderness; ha-Qowre' …
And that is exactly who he claims to be:

Isaiah 40:3 KJV
3. The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.

Isaiah 40:3 TUA
3. Qowl qowre' bamidbar: Panuw derek YHWH. Yashruwba`rabah mcilah le-'Eloheynuw.{*}

John 1:19-23 KJV
19. And this is the record of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, Who art thou?
20. And he confessed, and denied not; but confessed, I am not the Christ.
21. And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No.
22. Then said they unto him, Who art thou? that we may give an answer to them that sent us. What sayest thou of thyself?
23. He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias.

Understand?
John said; ''I am the voice of ha-Qowre' in the wilderness'' …

John tells them he is the voice of ha-Qowre' - the Cryer in the wilderness; and he was surnamed as such in Isaiah 45 by YHWH himself, yet they did not catch the meanings of any of it. And the same John ha-Qowre' Elias was also called a mashiyach-anointed-one in the very same passage. Thus Cyrus the Persian was a mashiyach-anointed one, used of YHWH, so that in turn the latter might be totally fulfilled in the mashiyach-anointed forerunner and messenger John ha-Qowre' Elias. His anointing is of the Spirit of Elijah though he himself is not Elijah, (one is soul of man and the other is Spirit of the prophets). Yeshua is the Nagiyd-Prince Commander of the Covenant, (Daniel 11:22) and John is the mashiyach who was karat-cut-off and had NOTHING FOR HIMSELF, (Daniel 9:26). Thus Yeshua says it was written of him that they would do to him accordingly as they pleased and karat-cut him off; and indeed they did, for they literally beheaded the mashiyach-anointed messenger of YHWH and forerunner of the Nagiyd-Son.

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The First Redeemer [MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH] fights against Amalek with total warfare…[he fights against the forces of anti-Semitism]. This was the task of Joshua ben Nun who was [a forerunner and ancestor of] the Messiah Son of Joseph. Aroused by Elijah “Kol HaTor” says [2.71] “Behold I will send you my prophet Elijah…and he will return the hearts of the fathers to their sons” (Malachi 4). One of the tasks of Elijah is to arouse the spirit of the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH. Comment:

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BEHOLD, I WILL SEND YOU ELIJAH THE PROPHET BEFORE THE COMING OF THE GREAT AND DREADFUL DAY OF THE LORD: [Malachi 4:6] AND HE SHALL TURN THE HEART OF THE FATHERS TO THE CHILDREN, AND THE HEART OF THE CHILDREN TO THEIR FATHERS, LEST I COME AND SMITE THE EARTH WITH A CURSE.

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daq said:

Wow! You only missed it by one verse …
However, perhaps it is best examined starting elsewhere:
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The name Kowresh might possibly be a play on HSN#7121 Qara'-Qowre' which means to call or to cry out. Do not let the quoting of the TUA Bible throw you off as it is mainly to help explain where the name ha-Qowre' (Romanized-Hellenized Transliteration) comes from. The fact that the same is already used as a proper name is revealed in the story of Samson and the jawbone of the donkey which occurred at `Eyn- ha-Qowre' (Judges 15:19) of the same proper name:

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Understand?
John said; ''I am the voice of ha-Qowre' in the wilderness'' …

John tells them he is the voice of ha-Qowre' - the Cryer in the wilderness; and he was surnamed as such in Isaiah 45 by YHWH himself, yet they did not catch the meanings of any of it. And the same John ha-Qowre' Elias was also called a mashiyach-anointed-one in the very same passage. Thus Cyrus the Persian was a mashiyach-anointed one, used of YHWH, so that in turn the latter might be totally fulfilled in the mashiyach-anointed forerunner and messenger John ha-Qowre' Elias. His anointing is of the Spirit of Elijah though he himself is not Elijah, (one is soul of man and the other is Spirit of the prophets). Yeshua is the Nagiyd-Prince Commander of the Covenant, (Daniel 11:22) and John is the mashiyach who was karat-cut-off and had NOTHING FOR HIMSELF, (Daniel 9:26). Thus Yeshua says it was written of him that they would do to him accordingly as they pleased and karat-cut him off; and indeed they did, for they literally beheaded the mashiyach-anointed messenger of YHWH and forerunner of the Nagiyd-Son.

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I am firmly convinced that it is possible for Christians to use films to address specific problems in our modern world in such a way that many lives are changed and Christianity itself comes to be viewed in a much more positive way!

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ElijahW said:

The duty of Elijah was to identify the true king of Israel. When Jesus accepts John's claim that Jesus is the one they have been waiting for, John fulfills Elijah's role.

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1213 said:

I think this is important scripture to understand the meaning of Elijah.

He will go before him in the spirit and power of Elijah, 'to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children,' and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord."
Luke 1:17

It seems Elijah came in spirit. John had the same spirit, or attitude.

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Who broughtest down kings to destruction, and brokest easily their power in pieces, and the glorious from their bed. [7] Who heardest judgment in Sina, and in Horeb the judgments of vengeance. [8] Who anointedst kings to penance, and madest prophets successors after thee. [9] Who wast taken up in a whirlwind of fire, in a chariot of fiery horses. [10] Who art registered in the judgments of times to appease the wrath of the Lord, to reconcile the heart of the father to the son, and to restore the tribes of Jacob.

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