LDS John 10:33

He is the way · May 15, 2019

mmksparbud said:
The question is can she be a god also???

I hope this answers your question:

(Old Testament | Psalms 82:6)

6 I have said, Ye are Gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

(New Testament | John 10:34 - 36)

34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are Gods?
35 If he called them Gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

Ironhold · May 15, 2019

mmksparbud said:
The question is can she be a god also???

People are exalted as couples.

Rescued One · May 15, 2019

He is the way said:
I know you would like a simple yes or no answer, however you assume that a man and a woman are separate in the Lord, but they aren't:
(New Testament | 1 Corinthians 11:8 - 12)

8 For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.
9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.
10 For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.
11 Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord.
12 For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of God.

Man and woman both rule together.

Have you ever asked Heavenly Mother to answer your prayers?

Peter1000 · May 16, 2019

mmksparbud said:
That is not what I was talking about---I said men get to be gods of their own planets and women get to bare their children! Now, please quote the passage proving me wrong.

Men and women will create their own planets, men and women will bare their children, and we do not know the process for bearing spirit children. I do not believe the process is the same for bearing children on earth, but I do believe a man and a woman are somehow necessary. We will learn one day.

So your vision of a Man-God dominating a bare-foot, kitchen-bound, always-pregnant wife is not a true vision. You are in fact far from the truth.

Peter1000 · May 16, 2019

mmksparbud said:
For crying out loud!! Will you quite telling me how wrong I am and just post your statement proving me wrong!!

Nobody can prove you wrong, every time I do, you respond by saying, Oh for crying out loud, that is total nonsense. So I will continue to try to show you what we really believe, but I doubt you will listen.

mmksparbud · May 16, 2019

Peter1000 said:
Men and women will create their own planets, men and women will bare their children, and we do not know the process for bearing spirit children. I do not believe the process is the same for bearing children on earth, but I do believe a man and a woman are somehow necessary. We will learn one day.

So your vision of a Man-God dominating a bare-foot, kitchen-bound, always-pregnant wife is not a true vision. You are in fact far from the truth.

Peter1000 said:
Nobody can prove you wrong, every time I do, you respond by saying, Oh for crying out loud, that is total nonsense. So I will continue to try to show you what we really believe, but I doubt you will listen.

Well, you finally stated it the way it is---thank you! I take it that means that the women are gods also. In which case, why would there be sin once again for these gods to have to save everyone from?
There is still no such thing for God will wipe away all tears, all sorrow and all death. No one will have a planet where the misery of sin will be there and where anyone will have to send their son to save it. That is such a cruel thing to think. Our God recreates this earth---and there will never be sin anymore---ANYWHERE! WE WILL SPEND ETERNITY WITH THE LORD---EVERRYONE THAT IS SAVED. And though this is our home, we will be able to go anywhere in the entire universe without fear of sin anywhere.
Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
Rev 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Our God is love, and He is justice and He is power--and He is able to do just as He promises to do. Your god allows sin, death and misery to continue on forever---ours wipes it completely away. Sorry---but you god is no God.

He is the way · May 16, 2019

Phoebe Ann said:
Have you ever asked Heavenly Mother to answer your prayers?

No I haven't, mostly because Jesus taught us to pray to the Father:

(New Testament | Luke 11:1 - 4)

1 AND it came to pass, that, as he was praying in a certain place, when he ceased, one of his disciples said unto him, Lord, teach us to pray, as John also taught his disciples.
2 And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.
3 Give us day by day our daily bread.
4 And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil.

Rescued One · May 16, 2019

He is the way said:
No I haven't, mostly because Jesus taught us to pray to the Father:

(New Testament | Luke 11:1 - 4)

1 AND it came to pass, that, as he was praying in a certain place, when he ceased, one of his disciples said unto him, Lord, teach us to pray, as John also taught his disciples.
2 And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.
3 Give us day by day our daily bread.
4 And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil.

What does Heavenly Mother do all day?

He is the way · May 16, 2019

Phoebe Ann said:
What does Heavenly Mother do all day?

I believe she is busy and has great concern for her children.

Peter1000 · May 16, 2019

mmksparbud said:
Well, you finally stated it the way it is---thank you! I take it that means that the women are gods also. In which case, why would there be sin once again for these gods to have to save everyone from?
There is still no such thing for God will wipe away all tears, all sorrow and all death. No one will have a planet where the misery of sin will be there and where anyone will have to send their son to save it. That is such a cruel thing to think. Our God recreates this earth---and there will never be sin anymore---ANYWHERE! WE WILL SPEND ETERNITY WITH THE LORD---EVERRYONE THAT IS SAVED. And though this is our home, we will be able to go anywhere in the entire universe without fear of sin anywhere.
Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
Rev 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Our God is love, and He is justice and He is power--and He is able to do just as He promises to do. Your god allows sin, death and misery to continue on forever---ours wipes it completely away. Sorry---but you god is no God.

In our system of belief, we believe that our God the Father is in a long line of exalted men and women. Each one of these exalted men and women are gods and each one of them have the same process going on. They form the intelligence and spirit into a cohesive unit that can function independently. They teach this spirit child what is right and wrong and all about their identity and possibilities. They create an earth where these spirit children may become mortal, and gain a flesh body, and learn to live outside of the presence of God and to learn obedience and love and to be tempted and all that is entailed in their second estate. Then if they do well, they too will be exalted and join the family of exalted persons.

Then they go through the same process that their God the Father went through. That is what Jesus was talking about in John 5:19. The son can do nothing of himself but what he seeth the Father do. Whatever the Father doeth, so doeth the son. (my words)

Jesus was the Son of our God the Father and saved our God the Father's children. And our God the Father has many earths that he governs. But there are many God the Fathers, and many Sons of God like Jesus, and many earths (without number) and each God the Father has a Son that will save his children.

So yes, Jesus died for all (but just all of our God the Father's children), not for all the other God the Fathers that exist. There will be innumerable earths in the future that will have their sin, and death and learning what is right and wrong and they will have their own Son of God to save their children.

It does not diminish Jesus's role as our Savior, and the Savior for (who knows) how many other earths our God the Father is governing. It is a massive job to be God, and the Son of God and the Holy Spirit of God, massive. Far greater than you can imagine. As God says, my creations are endless, and my glory is endless, and why is it endless, because it goes on endlessly. Children created, children exalted, children create. It is not just this earth, or it would not be innumerable, and endless.

The universe is expanding in all directions, why do you think it is expanding. Because so many of our God the Father's children are doing what is right, and will be exalted and will eventually create also.

Peter1000 · May 16, 2019

Phoebe Ann said:
What does Heavenly Mother do all day?

That information is unknown, as is, what does God the Father do all day? Unknown.

mmksparbud · May 16, 2019

Peter1000 said:
In our system of belief, we believe that our God the Father is in a long line of exalted men and women. Each one of these exalted men and women are gods and each one of them have the same process going on. They form the intelligence and spirit into a cohesive unit that can function independently. They teach this spirit child what is right and wrong and all about their identity and possibilities. They create an earth where these spirit children may become mortal, and gain a flesh body, and learn to live outside of the presence of God and to learn obedience and love and to be tempted and all that is entailed in their second estate. Then if they do well, they too will be exalted and join the family of exalted persons.

Then they go through the same process that their God the Father went through. That is what Jesus was talking about in John 5:19. The son can do nothing of himself but what he seeth the Father do. Whatever the Father doeth, so doeth the son. (my words)

Jesus was the Son of our God the Father and saved our God the Father's children. And our God the Father has many earths that he governs. But there are many God the Fathers, and many Sons of God like Jesus, and many earths (without number) and each God the Father has a Son that will save his children.

So yes, Jesus died for all (but just all of our God the Father's children), not for all the other God the Fathers that exist. There will be innumerable earths in the future that will have their sin, and death and learning what is right and wrong and they will have their own Son of God to save their children.

It does not diminish Jesus's role as our Savior, and the Savior for (who knows) how many other earths our God the Father is governing. It is a massive job to be God, and the Son of God and the Holy Spirit of God, massive. Far greater than you can imagine. As God says, my creations are endless, and my glory is endless, and why is it endless, because it goes on endlessly. Children created, children exalted, children create. It is not just this earth, or it would not be innumerable, and endless.

The universe is expanding in all directions, why do you think it is expanding. Because so many of our God the Father's children are doing what is right, and will be exalted and will eventually create also.

It is not a system that I find appealing in the least! To think of anyone having to endure the ugliness, pain and suffering of sin is itself, painful. I prefer the God that says He will wipe out all sin, that the price He paid was once for all, and all who accept will be saved into the same glory as He. I prefer to spend eternity seeing the glories of His sinless crestions and all His other sinless worlds than to continue in a universe where misery still exists.

Rescued One · May 16, 2019

He is the way said:
I believe she is busy and has great concern for her children.

Busy doing what? That's all?

He is the way · May 17, 2019

Phoebe Ann said:
Busy doing what? That's all?

I believe she teaches and loves her children and makes heaven a lovely place. I also believe that she is honored and loved and that her influence is there to guide, nurture, and direct her children. I also believe that she is one with the Father. I do not claim to know everything she does.

Rescued One · May 17, 2019

Your idea of heaven is a sorry one.

The Book of Mormon doesn't teach that there are degrees of glory in the afterlife. Nor does it even mention humans becoming Gods and Goddesses.

BoM character King Benjamin said:

I say unto you that I have caused that ye should assemble yourselves together that I might rid my garments of your blood, at this period of time when I am about to go down to my grave, that I might go down in peace, and my immortal spirit may join the choirs above in singing the praises of a just God.
Mosiah 2:28

Peter1000 · May 18, 2019

Christian Apologist said:
No one has seen God The Father but many have seen the pre-incarnate Jesus

“Moses and Aaron, Nahab and Abihu, and seventy of the Elders went up and saw God of Israel under his feet was something like pavement made of sapphire, clear as the sky it self, but God did not raise his hand against these leaders of Israelites, they saw God, and they ate and drank,” Exodus 24:9-11

“at this point the men turned from there way to Sodom but as for JEHOVAH he was standing still before Abraham….then JEHOVAH went his way when he had finished speaking to Abraham.” Genesis 18:22-33 New World Translation Genesis 18:2 says three men appeared to Abraham, two are identified as angels {Genesis 19:1} ONE IS IDENTIFIED AS JEHOVAH GOD Genesis 18:1,3,13,14,17,20,22,26,27,31,32 and 33

Genesis 19: 27

Now Abraham got up early in the morning and went to the place where he had stood before Jehovah

Exodus 6:2 Then God said to Moses: “I am Jehovah. 3 And I used to appear to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob as God Almighty, but with regard to my name Jehovah I did not make myself known to them.

Numbers 12: 6 He then said: “Hear my words, please. If there was a prophet of Jehovah among you, I would make myself known to him in a vision, and I would speak to him in a dream.+ 7 But it is not that way with my servant Moses! He is being entrusted with all my house. 8 Face-to-face* I speak to him, openly, not by riddles; and the appearance of Jehovah is what he sees. Why, then, did you not fear to speak against my servant, against Moses?”

At least 1 person in the NT saw God the Father:
Mary, the mother of Jesus. (Luke 1:35)

At least 2 people in the NT saw God the Father and Jesus standing side by side as 2 separate persons.
Stephen, the first martyr. (Acts 7:56)
John the beloved (Revelation 5:4-7)

Christian Apologist · May 18, 2019

Peter1000 said:
At least 1 person in the NT saw God the Father:
Mary, the mother of Jesus. (Luke 1:35)

At least 2 people in the NT saw God the Father and Jesus standing side by side as 2 separate persons.
Stephen, the first martyr. (Acts 7:56)
John the beloved (Revelation 5:4-7)

Actually none of these seen God The Father , Stephen seen The Glory of God the Father, John The Beloved possibly seen a vision and Mary didn't

Peter1000 · May 18, 2019

mmksparbud said:
It is not a system that I find appealing in the least! To think of anyone having to endure the ugliness, pain and suffering of sin is itself, painful. I prefer the God that says He will wipe out all sin, that the price He paid was once for all, and all who accept will be saved into the same glory as He. I prefer to spend eternity seeing the glories of His sinless crestions and all His other sinless worlds than to continue in a universe where misery still exists.

Wherever there is man, good and evil will always be present throughout the expanse of the universe. That happens to be God's purpose, to create men and women and give them immortality and eternal life.

But for you and I in our God's creations, we will be saved to everlasting glory and a sinless perfection, that the eye has not seen or the ear heard, or the mind even thought of as to the glorious future our God has prepared for those that love him and keep his commandments and receive of his grace and mercy and love, and receive of his fullness, and share in all that he has, even the powers to create our own worlds without number.

It is glorious to think about what God will do for you and I. You will be very happy throughout eternity.

Christian Apologist · May 18, 2019

Peter1000 said:
Wherever there is man, good and evil will always be present throughout the expanse of the universe. That happens to be God's purpose, to create men and women and give them immortality and eternal life.

But for you and I in our God's creations, we will be saved to everlasting glory and a sinless perfection, that the eye has not seen or the ear heard, or the mind even thought of as to the glorious future our God has prepared for those that love him and keep his commandments and receive of his grace and mercy and love, and receive of his fullness, and share in all that he has, even the powers to create our own worlds without number.

It is glorious to think about what God will do for you and I. You will be very happy throughout eternity.

God created us for his pleasure and not ours, That one of the differences between Mormonism and the scriptures

even the Book of Mormon contradicts Mormonism

Jacob 4:9 For behold, by the power of his a word man came upon the face of the earth, which earth was created by the power of his word. Wherefore, if God being able to speak and the world was, and to speak and man was created, O then, why not able to command the dearth, or the workmanship of his hands upon the face of it, according to his will and pleasure?

Peter1000 · May 18, 2019

Christian Apologist said:
Actually none of these seen God The Father , Stephen seen The Glory of God the Father, John The Beloved possibly seen a vision and Mary didn't

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Mary was in a room, the Holy Spirit was there, and the power of the Highest was there too. What do you think it means, when the scripture says that the power of the Highest shall overshadow Mary?

Pay strict attention to the word 'overshadow'?

1) Give me the definition of the word 'overshadow'.

2) Give me a sentence that uses the word 'overshadow'.

3) Finally give me your interpretation of "and the power of the Highest shall 'overshadow' Mary?

And please this is a discussion of people seeing God the Father, do not come back with, "this is how bankrupt the Mormons are, etc., etc., etc. Respond to my post, it is meant to be serious.

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