Explaining the disastrous “grace-only” doctrine

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BCsenior:
Thanks, sister (Gracia) ...
yes, sanctification is a process,
and salvation is a process.
Do you mean that justification comes
at the end of those dual processes?
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This might just be the best NT verse
proving that salvation is a process:
1 Peter 1:5
"And through your faith, God is protecting you by his power until you receive this salvation, which is ready to be revealed
on the last day for all to see."

Yes, and as it turns out, Gracia is correct:
justification comes at the end also
... for how could one be justified
before actually being saved!

One can be initially justified, and then lose everything, and NOT be justified, sanctified, saved.

Several extremely important spiritual Truths
are "somewhat hidden" in Scripture, for the
Lord doesn't want to discourage the troops,
most especially the new babes in Christ!
Da older folks have had time for the Spirit
to reveal the deeper Truths to them ... IF they
are OPEN to receiving it, and hear His voice.

"For all who are led by the Spirit of God
are children of God." (Romans 8:14)
 
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God saved me through the New Birth. But the fullness of the Spirit comes from repentance at the New Covenant level of holiness (Acts 2:38). But NC Holiness begins in the thought realm and defeats sin while it is still temptation, before it turns into outward sin.
Davey boy, what has happened to you?
Just a few weeks back, you were really
totally off the wall with some of your ideas!
Now, you're talking like a real BAC!
I'm havin' trouble gettin' up off the floor!
Is this for real, or are you blowin' smoke?
(Hope it's the former.)

Hammster, please excuse all of the poor
articulation.
 
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Davey boy, what has happened to you?
Just a few weeks back, you were really
totally off the wall with some of your ideas!
Now, you're talking like a real BAC!
I'm havin' trouble gettin' up off the floor!
Is this for real, or are you blowin' smoke?
(Hope it's the former.)

Hammster, please excuse all of the poor
articulation.
I've held these views consistently over the years. I would appreciate if you would quote me to the contrary.
 
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Cooperation is the KEY word in this.
But, as for you ... we are not talking about what's involved in deliverance ... we're talking about what's involved in gaining eternal life.

Salvation is a process because sanctification is a
process of transforming the BAC unto holiness
... and ...
"without holiness no one will see the Lord."
(Hebrews 12:14)


You do not understand salvation at all!

Salvation is a once for all act as the tenses of the verbs declare!

We are holy because we have been set apart by God.

Salvation happens apart from any works past present or future!

My righteousness is not how well I attain to some measure (though I strive daily to be conformed to the image of Christ)--But Jesus is my righteousness. Never will my life of deeds ever be my righteousness.

That is Scripture

YOu believe that Jesus did not die for all your sins if you believe you can lose what is not even in your possession! And that is your salvation.
 
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I've held these views consistently over the years. I would appreciate if you would quote me to the contrary.
Indeed I would if it was easy to do!
But, we're talking about various threads
from all over the place.
And, being a senior, my memory as to where
all of that stuff is is just not as good as it was.
 
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Indeed I would if it was easy to do!
But, we're talking about various threads
from all over the place.
And, being a senior, my memory as to where
all of that stuff is is just not as good as it was.
You might wait to accuse me until you have proof. Also, what do you think I said that is A-OK with you? It is no different than anything I've said so far........
 
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... proving that
salvation is a process:
1 Peter 1:5
"And through your faith,
God is protecting you by his power
until you receive this salvation,
which is ready to be revealed
on the last day for all to see."


I just happened to stumble over another one:

1 Peter 1:7-9
“… you have been grieved by various trials
that the genuineness of your faith …
though it is tested by fire …
receiving the end of your (life of) faith
— the salvation of your souls.”
 
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I thought you agreed to go back to square one
and start all over again.


I am- you are mixing verses outof context,

you are making works a requirement ot maintain salvation- no matter how you dress it differently.

You requier some sort of consduct standard in order to stay saved and that runs contrary to teh body of Scripture.

But let me ask you this- if one should lose their salvation in your doctrine- can they gain it back?
 
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You might wait to accuse me until you have proof. Also, what do you think I said that is A-OK with you? It is no different than anything I've said so far........
Sorry, Dave, I wasn't accusing you of anything!
I was commenting on your radical change
(IMO) over the past few weeks/months!
Sorry that it came across as an accusation.

It must have been some other topics that
you were way off base on, i.e. cessationism.
 
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The following is only one PROOF
against the “grace-only” doctrine:


“For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to
the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.” (Romans 8:29-30)


From above, BACs are predestined for 2 things:
(1) – to be conformed to the likeness of Jesus
(2) – to be called, justified, and glorified

God does (2) w/o any co-operation from BACs!
However, BACs are involved in (1) because they are not robots; they have free-will to co-operate, or not co-operate!

WHY does God predestine BACs to be conformed to become like Jesus?
(1) – for walking around in this life? ... or ...
(2) – for preparing to be qualified for heaven?

If this is about (2) … then we’re talking about
being prepared for salvation and for heaven!

Being conformed to the image of Jesus is called “sanctification”. To be sanctified means to be set apart (and to be made holy) … and … there is a positional sanctification, and then a progressive sanctification.

Will the instantaneous justification of a believer make him like Jesus? NO.
Man is made up of 3 parts: body, soul, and spirit.
Our whole being (body, soul, spirit) is to be made into Jesus’ likeness!

Now, returning to Romans 8:28-30 above …
All of the underlined items are the major parts of God’s saving work.
God will NOT justify those He does NOT sanctify.
There is NO separating justification and sanctification so much … that we focus on one and ignore the other.
God does NOT offer justification as a stand-alone means of salvation.
Justification cannot be isolated and made to represent all of God’s saving work!

JUSTIFICATION (taking Jesus as SAVIOR)
SANCTIFICATION (making Jesus our LORD)


If we take Jesus as SAVIOR,
then we also take Him as LORD.
Which do you prefer “Savior and LORD”
or “LORD and Savior”?
There are NT verses for both.

What is required for the believer to be progressively sanctified unto holiness?
Co-operation with the precious Holy Spirit, obedience, and repenting of sins.
Believers who are habitually sinning
are not on the narrow path to heaven!

So I take it that Joseph Prince isn't one of your favorite bible scholars?
 
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So I take it that Joseph Prince isn't one of your favorite bible scholars?
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Luke 2:41-52 NKJV - The Boy Jesus Amazes the Scholars - His - Bible ...

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+2%3A41-52&version...

His parents went to Jerusalem every year at the Feast of the Passover. And when He was twelve years old, they went up to Jerusalem according to the custom of the feast. When they had finished the days, as they returned, the Boy Jesus lingered behind in Jerusalem.
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Luke 11:52 NABRE - Woe to you, scholars of the law! You - Bible ...

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+11%3A52&version...

Woe to you, scholars of the law! You have taken away the key of knowledge. You yourselves did not enter and you stopped those trying to enter.”
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1 Timothy 1:7-9 VOICE - they wish to become scholars of the - Bible ...

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Timothy%201:7-9&version...

they wish to become scholars of the law,

but they don't know what they are talking about, and they make these grand pronouncements but clearly don't.

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Matthew 21:14-16 Tree of Life Version (TLV)
14 The blind and lame came to Him in the Temple, and He healed them. 15 But when the ruling kohanim and Torah scholars saw the wonders He performed, and the children crying out in the Temple and saying, “Hoshia-na to Ben-David,” they became indignant. 16 And they said to Him, “Do You hear what these children are saying?” “Yes,” Yeshua said to them. “Haven’t you ever read,

‘Out of the mouth of babes and nursing toddlers
You have prepared praise for Yourself’?”
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Verses 1–23 - Matthew Henry's Commentary - Bible Gateway

https://www.biblegateway.com/resources/matthew-henry/Matt.13.1-Matt.13.23

... are yet but babes, and must be taught as such by plain similitudes, being yet .... are more blessed than those of the greatest scholars, the greatest masters in ...

[1.] As a blessing; “Blessed are your eyes for they see, and your ears for they hear; it is your happiness, and it is a happiness for which you are indebted to the peculiar favour and blessing of God.” It is a promised blessing, that in the days of the Messiah the eyes of them that see shall not be dim, Isa. 32:3. The eyes of the meanest believer that knows experimentally the grace of Christ, are more blessed than those of the greatest scholars......"

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GNV
At that time Jesus answered and said, I give thee thanks, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou

<<< hast hid these things from the wise, and men of understanding,>>>

and hast opened them unto babes.

KJV
At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth,

because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent,

and hast revealed them unto babes.
 
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What good is anyone to the Kingdom that believes in Jesus and sacrifice, yet refuses to reject our nature and see ourselves for the losers that we are, carrying on as man has always done by serving self and keeping the games of mankind alive? Repent doesn't mean, 'oh sorry'. It means change.

Who here takes sides in world affairs instead of doing as commanded and takes sides between world and Kingdom?
 
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