OSAS....= is Grace

JLB777 · May 15, 2019

ace of hearts said:
Essentially you've stooped to attacking another which means you have no valid argument.

I’ve attacked no one.

JLB777 · May 15, 2019

ace of hearts said:
Straw man argument to support your doctrine.

How is an everyday example of life a straw man?

Danthemailman · May 15, 2019

JLB777 said:
Does it make you feel proud that Christians will go to hell because you are promoting a doctrine that will cause them to be removed from Christ?

Why not teach Christians to abide in Christ?

If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. John 15:6

Here is how we are instructed to remain “in Christ”.

Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us. 1 John 3:24

JLB

I don’t promote a doctrine and that will cause Christians to be removed from Christ. Typical straw man argument. Maybe you should be more concerned about understanding how we are placed into Christ in the first place. Jesus himself said that His sheep hear His voice, He knows them and they follow Him and they will never perish or be snatched from His hand. (John 10:27-29) You are turning keeping His Commandments into “type 2 works salvation” through your flawed interpretation. I already thoroughly refuted your argument in post #612.

ace of hearts · May 15, 2019

JLB777 said:
No the term “nominal Christian” is not a biblical term.

It’s a man made term to promote man’s doctrine.

If a born again Christian discovers that a member of his church has been committing adultery with his wife, and begins to hate that brother, and never deal with it, then he has become a murderer.

Very simple.
JLB

And what doctrine would that be?

ace of hearts · May 15, 2019

JLB777 said:
Does it make you feel proud that Christians will go to hell because you are promoting a doctrine that will cause them to be removed from Christ?

Why not teach Christians to abide in Christ?

If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. John 15:6

Here is how we are instructed to remain “in Christ”.

Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us. 1 John 3:24

JLB

This question has been answered in many posts on the forum. I do take it you're rather active here. Maybe that doesn't mean you read posts.

ace of hearts · May 15, 2019

JLB777 said:
Sin is hate.

Hating God and hating His people.

JLB

What exactly does this have to do with what I said? IOW I'm a tad bit confused as to what you're attempting to say.

ace of hearts · May 15, 2019

JLB777 said:
How is an everyday example of life a straw man?

Christians committing adultery is and everyday thing? No wonder someone said I like your Christ, but not your christians.

JLB777 · May 15, 2019

Danthemailman said:
I don’t promote a doctrine and that will cause Christians to be removed from Christ.

Does your doctrine of once saved always saved, teach people that the way we remain “in Christ”, is by obeying His commandments?

Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us. 1 John 3:24

JLB

JLB777 · May 15, 2019

ace of hearts said:
And what doctrine would that be?

OSAS.

JLB777 · May 15, 2019

ace of hearts said:
This question has been answered in many posts on the forum. I do take it you're rather active here. Maybe that doesn't mean you read posts.

There is nothing to answer.

It’s either you believe what the scripture says and obey it, or you don’t and you wind up being removed from Christ.

Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us. 1 John 3:24

JLB

Grip Docility · May 15, 2019

JLB777 said:
There is nothing to answer.

It’s either you believe what the scripture says and obey it, or you don’t and you wind up being removed from Christ.

Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us. 1 John 3:24

JLB

James 2:10

1 John 1:8

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JLB777 · May 15, 2019

ace of hearts said:
What exactly does this have to do with what I said? IOW I'm a tad bit confused as to what you're attempting to say.

The definition of love is to keep His commandments.

For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. 1 John 5:4

If you steal from your brother are you loving him or hating him.

If you murder your brother are you loving him or hating him?

The way we treat our brother is the way we treat Jesus.

If someone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen, how can he love God whom he has not seen? And this commandment we have from Him: that he who loves God must love his brother also.
1 John 4:20-21

Sin is hating is hating God and our brother who we sin against.

It’s very very simple.

JLB

JLB777 · May 15, 2019

Grip Docility said:
James 2:10

?

If you have a point please make it.

JLB777 · May 15, 2019

ace of hearts said:
Christians committing adultery is and everyday thing? No wonder someone said I like your Christ, but not your christians.

Agreed.

Grip Docility · May 15, 2019

JLB777 said:
If you have a point please make it.

1 John 1:8

?

613 Mitzvahs

The Law is continuative... Deuteronomy 31:26 ...

If one second of our ability to obey before and after accepting Christ is a Salvational matter... we’re all sunk.

Danthemailman · May 16, 2019

JLB777 said:
Does your doctrine of once saved always saved, teach people that the way we remain “in Christ”, is by obeying His commandments?

Does your doctrine of losable salvation teach people that Christ merely "initially" saves us through faith, but ultimately saves us by works? - "type 2 works salvation." Keeping His commandments is the effect of abiding in Christ and not the cause. From beginning "have been saved through faith" (Ephesians 2:8) to end "receiving the end of your faith--the salvation of your souls" (1 Peter 1:9) salvation is by grace through faith and is not by works. (Romans 4:5-6; Ephesians 2:9; Titus 3:5; 2 Timothy 1:9)

1 John 4:13 - By this we know that we abide in Him, and He in us, because He has given us of His Spirit.. 15 Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God.

Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us. 1 John 3:24

You need to stop confusing "descriptive" passages of scripture with "prescriptive" passages of scripture. The end result is works salvation. The one who (descriptive of believers) keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. Keeping His commandments is the demonstrative evidence that we abide in Him.

1 John 2:3 - By this we know that we have come to know Him -- (already know Him/already saved/demonstrative evidence) if we keep (guard, observe, watch over) His commandments. Once again, the Greek word for "keep" is "tereo" (Strong's #5083) which means to guard, observe, watch over) His commandments. 1 John 2:4 - He who says, "I know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

JLB777 · May 16, 2019

Grip Docility said:
1 John 1:8

?

613 Mitzvahs

The Law is continuative... Deuteronomy 31:26 ...

If one second of our ability to obey before and after accepting Christ is a Salvational matter... we’re all sunk.

That’s your opinion.

He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 1 John 2:4

“Knowing Him” is the biblical definition of eternal life.

Christians who claim to “know Him” yet live in disobedience before Him, are liars and the truth is not in them.

This is the way we are instructed to remain “in Christ”.

Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us. 1 John 3:24

It’s a love issue.

If you don’t want to obey our Lord and the commandments He have us to love Him, by loving His children, then you have a problem, and I would suggest you deal with it now while you are still alive.

For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. 1 John 5:3

“If you love Me, keep My commandments. John 14:15

JLB

JLB777 · May 16, 2019

Danthemailman said:
Does your doctrine of losable salvation teach people that Christ merely "initially" saves us through faith, but ultimately saves us by works? - "type 2 works salvation." Keeping His commandments is the effect of abiding in Christ and not the cause. From beginning "have been saved through faith" (Ephesians 2:8) to end "receiving the end of your faith--the salvation of your souls" (1 Peter 1:9) salvation is by grace through faith and is not by works. (Romans 4:5-6; Ephesians 2:9; Titus 3:5; 2 Timothy 1:9)

1 John 4:13 - By this we know that we abide in Him, and He in us, because He has given us of His Spirit.. 15 Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God.

Yes His Spirit is the source of our ability to now walk according to the Spirit rather than walk according to the flesh.

His Spirit is grace; The Spirit of grace.

You must not ignore one verse in favor of another.

Here is the context of 1 John 4:13 -

Beloved, let us love one another, for love is of God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God. He who does not love does not know God, for God is love. In this the love of God was manifested toward us, that God has sent His only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through Him. In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins. Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another.
1 John 4:7-11

We must love one another.

Here is the context of 1 John 4:7-11

Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us. 1 John 3:24

This is how we are instructed to remain “in Christ”.

Quoting other scriptures while ignoring their context, will not change the truth of how we are to remain “in Christ”.

he who keeps His commandments abides in Him

He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. 1 John 2:4-5

By this we know that we are in Him.

“If you love Me, keep My commandments. John 14:15

JLB

Danthemailman · May 16, 2019

JLB777 said:
Yes His Spirit is the source of our ability to now walk according to the Spirit rather than walk according to the flesh.

How do you believe that we receive the Holy Spirit? What do you believe the gospel IS and what do YOU believe it means to BELIEVE the gospel? (Romans 1:16)

His Spirit is grace; The Spirit of grace.

You must not ignore one verse in favor of another.

I don't, yet you continue to confuse "descriptive" passages of scripture with "prescriptive" passages of scripture and the end result is works salvation. I could explain this to you until I'm blue in the face, but it's like talking to a brick wall.

Here is the context of 1 John 4:13 -

Beloved, let us love one another, for love is of God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God. He who does not love does not know God, for God is love. In this the love of God was manifested toward us, that God has sent His only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through Him. In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins. Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another.
1 John 4:7-11

We must love one another.

*Notice - everyone who loves is born of God and knows God. - (descriptive of believers) He who does not love does not know God. - (descriptive of unbelievers)

Here is the context of 1 John 4:7-11

Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us. 1 John 3:24

This is how we are instructed to remain “in Christ”.

Once again, keeping His commandments is the effect of abiding in Christ and not the cause. You have it backwards because you teach works salvation. The context does not support your argument.

Quoting other scriptures while ignoring their context, will not change the truth of how we are to remain “in Christ”.

he who keeps His commandments abides in Him

Quoting and misinterpreting this same scripture over and over again along with the context, while ignoring other passages of scripture as well (1 John 2:3-4; 1 John 4:13,15) will not change the truth that keeping His commandments is the effect of abiding in Christ and not the cause.

He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. 1 John 2:4-5

By this we know that we are in Him.

“If you love Me, keep My commandments. John 14:15

Keeping His commandments is the demonstrative evidence that we know Him, are in Him and love Him, but is not the cause of remaining in Him or the basis or means by which we are saved, which is by grace through faith, not works. (Romans 4:5-6; Ephesians 2:8,9; 1 Peter 1:9)

Light3 · May 16, 2019

DM25 said:
I'm not telling you whether I think that way or not, because I choose not to boast. You know why? Because it's NOT about me and my works, it's about Jesus. So no, I won't take back what I say EVER. And if you think I don't do any works, then so be it. The good news is my works don't save me, Jesus does. I don't need to prove myself to you nor does anyone. JESUS ALONE SAVES, your fleshly mind only thinks about works and sin, and your works don't save you.

Deceived by what? The real gospel? The gospel that saves? I urge YOU to delete your posts because you and everyone else who believes in your accursed gospel is on their way to hell... I know it sounds harsh but I take false teachers seriously. Your false teaching leads many people astray, it is the number on tactic satan uses. I will defend the gospel until the day I die. And no, I will not tell people they need to work for salvation. Because that is not true. Jesus did the work. We are saved by his finished work alone, plain and simple. That is the gospel. That is what new believers need to believe. Your false teaching is the deception, not mine. Your teachings is an accursed gospel that leads people to hell. You claiming new believers need to stop sinning to get saved is HERESY. They need to believe in Jesus Christ ALONE to get saved. No ifs, ands, or buts, this is the gospel. It's not about your works. It's not about my works, or your works. It's not about anyone's works. It's about Jesus Christ's finished work on the cross.

You sound exactly like a pharisee. One who believes in a damnable heresy and false teaching. It is incredibly dangerous and easy to get deceived by it, and it is dead religion. Repent and believe on Jesus Christ alone, because it is clear you don't given your comment about thinking you must stop sinning to get saved which is works salvation. You must believe on Jesus Christ alone to be saved, simple as that.

Your comments as well as the comments of many others here PROVE it's a very narrow way indeed. Many of you self-proclaimed Christians won't go to heaven, because you believe salvation is determined by human effort, even partially. Jesus Christ is a narrow road indeed, and very few will make it. That is evident here by all of you preaching false teachings and leading many astray. But as long as I am here I will defend the gospel until the day I die, so if anyone comes on here they don't get confused or led astray and believe in the the only thing that can save them, the gospel of Jesus Christ.

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