The Forefathers of the Salvation by Works Christians

GodsGrace101 · May 15, 2019

MDC said:
My brothers and sisters adhere to the gospel. Not a false gospel that looks to their works as the determining factor in salvation. The doctrines of grace or what you deem as Calvinism is the gospel. I have certainty and confidence in my salvation because it is Christ whom I cling to. Your rt my salvation is dependent upon Christ and His promises that comes by way of Gods Sovereign grace. Can you say you are confident and certain that Christ can save you from your wretched sin and guilt apart from your works? As you can see Catholics cannot say this and as you fall into catholic soteriology I’m assuming you cannot either since you believe in YOU

In your theology you can say that you cling to Christ...but the question is: Is Christ clinging to YOU?
Since it's God that chooses YOU,,,,HE must cling to YOU...not the other way around.

As I've said, I'm very certain of my salvation because it's ME that chooses to cling to CHRIST.

By your post above, it sounds like you don't believe in works.

Unfortunately, Jesus DID, and so did Paul, and so did all the other writers of the N.T.

My soteriology does fall into catholic doctrine even though I'm not catholic. Most protestants also believe in my soteriology. I don't require special commentaries or special teachers because all mainline Christian theology agrees with me. OTOH, your theology requires you to read The Institutes and RC Sproul and John Piper, etc.

Here are a few verses on works -- which you do not agree with - but John Calvin did, BTW.

Galatians 6:9-10
Let us not lose heart in doing good, for in due time we will reap if we do not grow weary. So then, while we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, and especially to those who are of the household of the faith.

1 Peter 3:8-13
To sum up, all of you be harmonious, sympathetic, brotherly, kindhearted, and humble in spirit; not returning evil for evil or insult for insult, but giving a blessing instead; for you were called for the very purpose that you might inherit a blessing. For, "THE ONE WHO DESIRES LIFE, TO LOVE AND SEE GOOD DAYS, MUST KEEP HIS TONGUE FROM EVIL AND HIS LIPS FROM SPEAKING DECEIT.

Psalm 34:12-16
Who is the man who desires life And loves length of days that he may see good? Keep your tongue from evil And your lips from speaking deceit. Depart from evil and do good; Seek peace and pursue it.

Hebrews 13:16
nd do not neglect doing good and sharing, for with such sacrifices God is pleased.

John 5:28-29
"Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.

Luke 6:35
"But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return; and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High; for He Himself is kind to ungrateful and evil men.

Romans 2:5-11
But because of your stubbornness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, who WILL RENDER TO EACH PERSON ACCORDING TO HIS DEEDS: to those who by perseverance in doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life;

1 Timothy 6:17-19
Instruct those who are rich in this present world not to be conceited or to fix their hope on the uncertainty of riches, but on God, who richly supplies us with all things to enjoy. Instruct them to do good, to be rich in good works, to be generous and ready to share, storing up for themselves the treasure of a good foundation for the future, so that they may take hold of that which is life indeed.

2 Timothy 2:20-21
Now in a large house there are not only gold and silver vessels, but also vessels of wood and of earthenware, and some to honor and some to dishonor. Therefore, if anyone cleanses himself from these things, he will be a vessel for honor, sanctified, useful to the Master, prepared for every good work.

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Can you think of some verse in the N.T. that declare we are not to do good works? Or that they are not necessary?

GodsGrace101 · May 15, 2019

Shimokita said:
What? Can you even read? In #222 I wrote that “Faith plus works” is not the teaching of the Church. I think I understand why we are having so much trouble. You cannot read.

No, I will not forget about Trent because it is the current teaching of the Catholic Church, as is the Joint Declaration.

Sanctification is not progressive justification. Again, YOU need to study the terms and understand how they are different. You think that they are the same because you do not understand Catholic Theology and are confused.

Initial justification apart from works is not Sola Fide and it is not “justification by faith alone.” YOU need to understand the difference, not me.

And your “initial salvation” term remains nonsense.

This is what you wrote in post no. 222:

FWIW "Salvation is Faith Plus Works" is not actually the precise teaching of the Church. It's more nuanced than that as you know.

But that is better than @GodsGrace101 and his/her idea that the Catholic Church teaches Protestant Sola Fide (he /she is extremely confused here, and explaining the matter to him does not seem to matter because his mind is closed on the issue no matter how many Catholics here correct him).

Perhaps you could also explain the other posts of yours which I posted and in which you plainly said that catholics believe in faith plus works for salvation...In the above post you've come to say something about nuances and that it is not actually THE PRECISE teaching...

Well, WHAT IS THE PRECISE TEACHING?
Have you changed your mind now and agree that justification is by faith only?

And as to terms....You don't know what progressive justification is and add that the term doesn't even exist.

This is an amazing statement. Perhaps you'd care to read what YOUR CHURCH says about this matter.
I'd read the entire link if I were you. It speaks of Anselm (if you know who that is) and it speaks of everything we've been discussing.

Here is a snipit:
It's about progressive justification..
the term you claim does not exist.

vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv

Progressive justification, by contrast, is the gradual restoration of rectitude of order between reason and the lower powers of the soul (i.e. the gradual reduction of concupiscence), and the gradual increase of rectitude of order in the habit of the will with respect to action, namely, giving to God and man what each is due, out of love for God as Father, through an increase in sanctifying grace (i.e. an increase in our participation in the divine life of the Trinity). This is how we gradually grow in justice, and thus gradually grow in sanctification. This can be seen in Chapter X of Session VI of the Council of Trent, which reads:

Read more: https://www.catholicfidelity.com/apologetics-topics/justification-salvation/aquinas-on-instant-a-progressive-justification/

Shimokita · May 15, 2019

GodsGrace101 said:
This is what you wrote in post no. 222:

FWIW "Salvation is Faith Plus Works" is not actually the precise teaching of the Church. It's more nuanced than that as you know.

But that is better than @GodsGrace101 and his/her idea that the Catholic Church teaches Protestant Sola Fide (he /she is extremely confused here, and explaining the matter to him does not seem to matter because his mind is closed on the issue no matter how many Catholics here correct him).

Perhaps you could also explain the other posts of yours which I posted and in which you plainly said that catholics believe in faith plus works for salvation...In the above post you've come to say something about nuances and that it is not actually THE PRECISE teaching...

Well, WHAT IS THE PRECISE TEACHING?
Have you changed your mind now and agree that justification is by faith only?

And as to terms....You don't know what progressive justification is and add that the term doesn't even exist.

This is an amazing statement. Perhaps you'd care to read what YOUR CHURCH says about this matter.
I'd read the entire link if I were you. It speaks of Anselm (if you know who that is) and it speaks of everything we've been discussing.

Here is a snipit:
It's about progressive justification..
the term you claim does not exist.

vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv

Progressive justification, by contrast, is the gradual restoration of rectitude of order between reason and the lower powers of the soul (i.e. the gradual reduction of concupiscence), and the gradual increase of rectitude of order in the habit of the will with respect to action, namely, giving to God and man what each is due, out of love for God as Father, through an increase in sanctifying grace (i.e. an increase in our participation in the divine life of the Trinity). This is how we gradually grow in justice, and thus gradually grow in sanctification. This can be seen in Chapter X of Session VI of the Council of Trent, which reads:

Read more: https://www.catholicfidelity.com/apologetics-topics/justification-salvation/aquinas-on-instant-a-progressive-justification/

OK let me get back to you a little later after my head cools off a bit.

GodsGrace101 · May 15, 2019

Shimokita said:
What? Can you even read? In #222 I wrote that “Faith plus works” is not the teaching of the Church. I think I understand why we are having so much trouble. You cannot read.

No, I will not forget about Trent because it is the current teaching of the Catholic Church, as is the Joint Declaration.

Sanctification is not progressive justification. Again, YOU need to study the terms and understand how they are different. You think that they are the same because you do not understand Catholic Theology and are confused.

Initial justification apart from works is not Sola Fide and it is not “justification by faith alone.” YOU need to understand the difference, not me.

And your “initial salvation” term remains nonsense.

P.S.
Trent is the current teaching of the catholic church?
You should get yourself a copy of
The Catechism of the Catholic Church

The one Pope John Paul commissioned and is dated 1992.

GodsGrace101 · May 15, 2019

Shimokita said:
OK let me get back to you a little later after my head cools off a bit.

Good idea.
And you really should find out what your church teaches.

You shouldn't be getting likes from @Danthemailman
who, BTW, also does not know Catholic Doctrine but believes he does. This is a problem for the Catholic church. You should state your doctrine correctly, just as every Protestant should.

GodsGrace101 · May 15, 2019

Shimokita said:
What? Can you even read? In #222 I wrote that “Faith plus works” is not the teaching of the Church. I think I understand why we are having so much trouble. You cannot read.

No, I will not forget about Trent because it is the current teaching of the Catholic Church, as is the Joint Declaration.

Sanctification is not progressive justification. Again, YOU need to study the terms and understand how they are different. You think that they are the same because you do not understand Catholic Theology and are confused.

Initial justification apart from works is not Sola Fide and it is not “justification by faith alone.” YOU need to understand the difference, not me.

And your “initial salvation” term remains nonsense.

Ooops. We forgot about the term
Initial Salvation, which by now I hope you know is the same as initial justification...

Broadly speaking, Eastern Orthodox, Catholic, and Methodist Christians distinguish between initial justification, which in their view ordinarily occurs at baptism; and final salvation, accomplished after a lifetime of striving to do God's will (theosis c.q. divinization).[30]

source: Salvation in Christianity - Wikipedia

Shimokita · May 15, 2019

GodsGrace101 said:
Good idea.
And you really should find out what your church teaches.

You shouldn't be getting likes from @Danthemailman
who, BTW, also does not know Catholic Doctrine but believes he does. This is a problem for the Catholic church. You should state your doctrine correctly, just as every Protestant should.

Friend, I know what my Church teaches. Again, you are very presumptuous to think that every Catholic on this site does not know what our Church teaches, and you alone do. Your head is too big, that is your problem.

Obviously you do not know, or you would never have written “Forget about Trent”. And you would never write that the Catholic Church teaches Sola Fide. And you would not think that Trent and the Joint Declaration contradict each other. I will explain to you why later.

And who likes my posts is irrelevant.

Shimokita · May 15, 2019

GodsGrace101 said:
Ooops. We forgot about the term
Initial Salvation, which by now I hope you know is the same as initial justification...

Broadly speaking, Eastern Orthodox, Catholic, and Methodist Christians distinguish between initial justification, which in their view ordinarily occurs at baptism; and final salvation, accomplished after a lifetime of striving to do God's will (theosis c.q. divinization).[30]

source: Salvation in Christianity - Wikipedia

”Initial justification” is perfectly fine. Use that term and we can converse.

GodsGrace101 · May 15, 2019

Shimokita said:
Friend, I know what my Church teaches. Again, you are very presumptuous to think that every Catholic on this site does not know what our Church teaches, and you alone do. Your head is too big, that is your problem.

Obviously you do not know, or you would never have written “Forget about Trent”. And you would never write that the Catholic Church teaches Sola Fide. And you would not think that Trent and the Joint Declaration contradict each other. I will explain to you why later.

And who likes my posts is irrelevant.

You shouldn't really explain anything to me because in your post above it's obvious that you don't understand.

I NEVER said the catholic church believes in sola fide.

I said the CC believes just as the Protestants do that justification/salvation is BY FAITH ALONE.
YOU were stating that it's faith + works.

As to sola fide...
BOTH THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AND MAINLINE PROTESTANT CHURCHES believe works are a necessary part of our salvation...they are confirmation that we are saved.

Do you understand the above?
That's all I really have to say to you.

GodsGrace101 · May 15, 2019

Shimokita said:
”Initial justification” is perfectly fine. Use that term and we can converse.

All I have to say is in post 269.
There's not much more to say.

GodsGrace101 · May 15, 2019

Shimokita said:
Friend, I know what my Church teaches. Again, you are very presumptuous to think that every Catholic on this site does not know what our Church teaches, and you alone do. Your head is too big, that is your problem.

Obviously you do not know, or you would never have written “Forget about Trent”. And you would never write that the Catholic Church teaches Sola Fide. And you would not think that Trent and the Joint Declaration contradict each other. I will explain to you why later.

And who likes my posts is irrelevant.

You don't want to forget about Trent?
Are remarrieds receiving communion?

Shimokita · May 15, 2019

GodsGrace101 said:
You shouldn't really explain anything to me because in your post above it's obvious that you don't understand.

I NEVER said the catholic church believes in sola fide.

I said the CC believes just as the Protestants do that justification/salvation is BY FAITH ALONE.
YOU were stating that it's faith + works.

As to sola fide...
BOTH THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AND MAINLINE PROTESTANT CHURCHES believe works are a necessary part of our salvation...they are confirmation that we are saved.

Do you understand the above?
That's all I really have to say to you.

I’ll get back to you later.

fhansen · May 15, 2019

GodsGrace101 said:
P.S.
Trent is the current teaching of the catholic church?
You should get yourself a copy of
The Catechism of the Catholic Church

The one Pope John Paul commissioned and is dated 1992.

Trent is very often quoted by the Catechism and other contemporary Church documents and is still considered to be the standard on the teachings it addressed and clarified.

Shimokita · May 15, 2019

GodsGrace101 said:
You don't want to forget about Trent?
Are remarrieds receiving communion?

Trent is the current teaching of the Catholic Church. So is the Joint Declaration. I already provided you proof of that previously but I will do so again.

Communication is another topic, please feel free to start a new thread on it.

GodsGrace101 · May 15, 2019

fhansen said:
Trent is very often quoted by the Catechism and other contemporary Church documents and is still considered to be the standard on the teachings it addressed and clarified.

You're right.
But many of the declarations at the Council of Trent have changed.

Trent declared that we are saved by faith plus works.
The CC now teaches that we are saved by faith alone.
Divorced couples were not ALLOWED into a church until 1919. Today they're allowed to receive communion.

Trent declared that there is no salvation outside the CC. This is no longer true...they say there is not a "fullness of faith" in other denominations.

I can't go thru each change.

I'd say that if you're depending on the Council of Trent for what the CC believes today,,,you're a bit out of touch.

WHY do you think the CC is still depending on Trent when Pope John Paul had a catechism be written exactly for the reason of knowing what the church believes.

These are his exact words:

3. The Doctrinal Value of the Text

The Catechism of the Catholic Church, which I approved 25 June last and the publication of which I today order by virtue of my Apostolic Authority, is a statement of the Church's faith and of catholic doctrine, attested to or illumined by Sacred Scripture, the Apostolic Tradition and the Church's Magisterium.

I declare it to be a sure norm for teaching the faith and thus a valid and legitimate instrument for ecclesial communion. May it serve the renewal to which the Holy Spirit ceaselessly calls the Church of God, the Body of Christ, on her pilgrimage to the undiminished light of the Kingdom!
The approval and publication of the Catechism of the Catholic Church represent a service which the Successor of Peter wishes to offer to the Holy Catholic Church, to all the particular Churches in peace and communion with the Apostolic See: the service, that is, of supporting and confirming the faith of all the Lord Jesus' disciples (cf. Lk 22:32 as well as of strengthening the bonds of unity in the same apostolic faith.

Therefore, I ask all the Church's Pastors and the Christian faithful to receive this catechism in a spirit of communion and to use it assiduously in fulfilling their mission of proclaiming the faith and calling people to the Gospel life. This catechism is given to them that it may be a sure and authentic reference text for teaching catholic doctrine and particularly for preparing local catechisms.

source: Catechism of the Catholic Church - Apostolic Constitution Fidei Depositum

You see, another member told me I have a big head..actually I don't. The fact is that I've had occasion to have to use the CCC, so I'm very familiar with what it states.

fhansen · May 15, 2019

MDC said:
My perseverance isn’t what saves me in the end. I’ll persevere in faith because Christ promises to never leave me nor forsake me. Salvation is Gods work in Christ and by His power through His Spirit. In the end all I have to plead is Him and Him alone as my righteousness and forgiveness. Christ is my hope and my anchor. I have nothing to offer. And what are you relying on? Your sacraments? Your works? I’ll ask again, why don’t you believe Christ can save you? Why can’t you be certain Christ can save you? And please try not to include your works

Let me ask you something. Do you need to profess your faith, or be unashamed of the Gospel? Do you need to forgive others as you are forgiven? Do you need to obey the commandments as Jesus affirmed? Do you need to love Him and others? Could you plead your faith in Christ as you say such that you could rest on that only even if you look at yourself and still see no fruit or obedience other than that faith?

You say you have to plead Christ. Is that a requirement? Something you must do, with your faith? Something that you have the option not to do? In Catholicism we don't object to such requirements-all is a work of grace, grace that we must respond to whether it's the gift of faith or the gift of works that have been prepared for us in Christ Jesus to do (Eph 2:10). Whatever God wants us to do as we work out our salvation with Him (Phil 2:12).

GodsGrace101 · May 15, 2019

MDC said:
My perseverance isn’t what saves me in the end. I’ll persevere in faith because Christ promises to never leave me nor forsake me. Salvation is Gods work in Christ and by His power through His Spirit. In the end all I have to plead is Him and Him alone as my righteousness and forgiveness. Christ is my hope and my anchor. I have nothing to offer. And what are you relying on? Your sacraments? Your works? I’ll ask again, why don’t you believe Christ can save you? Why can’t you be certain Christ can save you? And please try not to include your works

Don't you like speaking to me?
You never replied to my post to you.

I had posted plenty of verse about works and there are even more. Have you no answer for that?

Could you post a verse that states YOU have nothing to offer God?

Jesus spoke a great deal of what YOU could offer.

Mathew 25:35-46 Jesus said:
35‘For I was hungry, and you gave Me something to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me something to drink; I was a stranger, and you invited Me in;
36naked, and you clothed Me; I was sick, and you visited Me; I was in prison, and you came to Me.’
37“Then the righteous will answer Him, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry, and feed You, or thirsty, and give You something to drink?
38‘And when did we see You a stranger, and invite You in, or naked, and clothe You?
39‘When did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?’
40“The King will answer and say to them, ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of these brothers of Mine, even the least of them, you did it to Me.’

41“Then He will also say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels;
42for I was hungry, and you gave Me nothing to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me nothing to drink;
43I was a stranger, and you did not invite Me in; naked, and you did not clothe Me; sick, and in prison, and you did not visit Me.’
44“Then they themselves also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not take care of You?’
45“Then He will answer them, ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’
46“These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

fhansen · May 15, 2019

GodsGrace101 said:
You're right.
But many of the declarations at the Council of Trent have changed.

Trent declared that we are saved by faith plus works.
The CC now teaches that we are saved by faith alone.

The RCC hasn't changed her position at all on justification, even though she'll certainly look for places where agreement can take place in this age of ecumenism. From the Catechism:

2007 With regard to God, there is no strict right to any merit on the part of man. Between God and us there is an immeasurable inequality, for we have received everything from him, our Creator.

2008 The merit of man before God in the Christian life arises from the fact that God has freely chosen to associate man with the work of his grace. The fatherly action of God is first on his own initiative, and then follows man's free acting through his collaboration, so that the merit of good works is to be attributed in the first place to the grace of God, then to the faithful. Man's merit, moreover, itself is due to God, for his good actions proceed in Christ, from the predispositions and assistance given by the Holy Spirit.

2010 Since the initiative belongs to God in the order of grace, no one can merit the initial grace of forgiveness and justification, at the beginning of conversion. Moved by the Holy Spirit and by charity, we can then merit for ourselves and for others the graces needed for our sanctification, for the increase of grace and charity, and for the attainment of eternal life. Even temporal goods like health and friendship can be merited in accordance with God's wisdom. These graces and goods are the object of Christian prayer. Prayer attends to the grace we need for meritorious actions.

Read the last paragraph carefully. This is all consistent with Trent in any case.

GodsGrace101 · May 15, 2019

fhansen said:
The RCC hasn't changed her position at all on justification, even though she'll certainly look for places where agreement can take place in this age of ecumenism. From the Catechism:

2007 With regard to God, there is no strict right to any merit on the part of man. Between God and us there is an immeasurable inequality, for we have received everything from him, our Creator.

2008 The merit of man before God in the Christian life arises from the fact that God has freely chosen to associate man with the work of his grace. The fatherly action of God is first on his own initiative, and then follows man's free acting through his collaboration, so that the merit of good works is to be attributed in the first place to the grace of God, then to the faithful. Man's merit, moreover, itself is due to God, for his good actions proceed in Christ, from the predispositions and assistance given by the Holy Spirit.

2010 Since the initiative belongs to God in the order of grace, no one can merit the initial grace of forgiveness and justification, at the beginning of conversion. Moved by the Holy Spirit and by charity, we can then merit for ourselves and for others the graces needed for our sanctification, for the increase of grace and charity, and for the attainment of eternal life. Even temporal goods like health and friendship can be merited in accordance with God's wisdom. These graces and goods are the object of Christian prayer. Prayer attends to the grace we need for meritorious actions.

F,
You're just proving what I'm saying.
I really don't understand why you and the other member are fighting me on this.

God justifies/saves us by faith alone.

I'll highlight for you..what you posted:

2007 With regard to God, there is no strict right to any merit on the part of man. Between God and us there is an immeasurable inequality, for we have received everything from him, our Creator.

2008 The merit of man before God in the Christian life arises from the fact that God has freely chosen to associate man with the work of his grace. The fatherly action of God is first on his own initiative, and then follows man's free acting through his collaboration, so that the merit of good works is to be attributed in the first place to the grace of God, then to the faithful. Man's merit, moreover, itself is due to God, for his good actions proceed in Christ, from the predispositions and assistance given by the Holy Spirit.

2010 Since the initiative belongs to God in the order of grace, no one can merit the initial grace of forgiveness and justification, at the beginning of conversion. Moved by the Holy Spirit and by charity, we can then merit for ourselves and for others the graces needed for our sanctification, for the increase of grace and charity, and for the attainment of eternal life. Even temporal goods like health and friendship can be merited in accordance with God's wisdom. These graces and goods are the object of Christian prayer. Prayer attends to the grace we need for meritorious actions.

God saves us by His grace through our faith...
as is stated in Ephesians 2:8-9 and which the CC agrees. Justification/salvation or initial salvation is solely an act of God.

Man can do nothing to merit salvation or to save himself. God saves man through an action of God ONLY.

It's written in black and white in the paragraphs you posted.

Shimokita · May 15, 2019

GodsGrace101 said:
F,
You're just proving what I'm saying.
I really don't understand why you and the other member are fighting me on this.

God justifies/saves us by faith alone.

I'll highlight for you..what you posted:

2007 With regard to God, there is no strict right to any merit on the part of man. Between God and us there is an immeasurable inequality, for we have received everything from him, our Creator.

2008 The merit of man before God in the Christian life arises from the fact that God has freely chosen to associate man with the work of his grace. The fatherly action of God is first on his own initiative, and then follows man's free acting through his collaboration, so that the merit of good works is to be attributed in the first place to the grace of God, then to the faithful. Man's merit, moreover, itself is due to God, for his good actions proceed in Christ, from the predispositions and assistance given by the Holy Spirit.

2010 Since the initiative belongs to God in the order of grace, no one can merit the initial grace of forgiveness and justification, at the beginning of conversion. Moved by the Holy Spirit and by charity, we can then merit for ourselves and for others the graces needed for our sanctification, for the increase of grace and charity, and for the attainment of eternal life. Even temporal goods like health and friendship can be merited in accordance with God's wisdom. These graces and goods are the object of Christian prayer. Prayer attends to the grace we need for meritorious actions.

God saves us by His grace through our faith...
as is stated in Ephesians 2:8-9 and which the CC agrees. Justification/salvation or initial salvation is solely an act of God.

Man can do nothing to merit salvation or to save himself. God saves man through an action of God ONLY.

It's written in black and white in the paragraphs you posted.

That is not justification by faith alone!

Trent teaches exactly what you highlighted above, so if you think that is “justification by faith alone” you should also think that Trent teaches “justification by faith alone”.

The part that you highlighted above is from Trent.

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