Living a 1000 years and the ability to lose your salvation

frogoon234 said:

When Jesus Christ was at the passover he promised he wouldn't drink wine until he reached heaven. When he got to the cross he was offered vinegar (gray area and its not quite wine by definition)(low alcohol if any). He knew he reached his breaking point and he decided to give up his ghost. Even Jesus Christ had a breaking point.

God gets angry and tired when pushed too far.

Where am i going with this:

If i knew what Jesus knew about my future and i was going to do something that would cause me to lose my salvation at age 59 and a half. (Assume i'm 40). I would plead that he kill me every day so that i wouldn't lose my salvation. I believe this is biblical.

The amorites were punished after along period of time because it took a long time to make God overly angry. That being said i'm glad i'm going to live a relatively short life and not a 1000 years.

Thank God Jesus knows when to put me out of my misery before i lose my salvation and not put me out of my misery after i lose my salvation.

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John 5:24 "He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation, but is passed from death unto life."

You cannot lose everlasting life once you have it according to this verse.

frogoon234 said:

I guess i see so many threads that try to convince me otherwise from what you are saying i feel the need to produce a hypothetical situation. One problem with NOSAS is how do you quantify the amount of love for others that is needed to maintain your salvation. None of these NOSAS christian/"saved people" ever answer that question.

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You can't, at least not from the Bible. What they fail to realize oftentimes is that it is the love of God through Christ Jesus that keeps us saved, and not according to our efforts. We cannot do anything good enough enough times to assure our salvation, and anybody who says they can does not truly trust in Christ as their Savior. Rather, they are their own savior.

frogoon234 said:

When Jesus Christ was at the passover he promised he wouldn't drink wine until he reached heaven. When he got to the cross he was offered vinegar (gray area and its not quite wine by definition)(low alcohol if any). He knew he reached his breaking point and he decided to give up his ghost. Even Jesus Christ had a breaking point.

God gets angry and tired when pushed too far.

Where am i going with this:

If i knew what Jesus knew about my future and i was going to do something that would cause me to lose my salvation at age 59 and a half. (Assume i'm 40). I would plead that he kill me every day so that i wouldn't lose my salvation. I believe this is biblical.

The amorites were punished after along period of time because it took a long time to make God overly angry. That being said i'm glad i'm going to live a relatively short life and not a 1000 years.

Thank God Jesus knows when to put me out of my misery before i lose my salvation and not put me out of my misery after i lose my salvation.

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If God expended all His anger and wrath on Jesus when He died for our sins on the cross, then for those who believe in Christ and have accepted Him, there is no anger in God left. He used it all up on Jesus. Also, you are underestimating the power and stability in the new birth where you became a new creation in Christ and received eternal life. How can life be eternal if it fails at any time in your lifetime?

Jesus said that none would pluck him out of His hands. Do you think that the Holy Spirit would let you go without a fight? Not likely.

Maybe you should study the New Testament a little more deeply to get the facts about your redemption in Christ.

frogoon234 said:

i disagree. I know the new testament quite well.

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I disagree.

frogoon234 said:

i disagree. I know the new testament quite well.

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I can't see where you have missed that Jesus saves to the uttermost those who believe in Him. And John 3:16 where it says that God so loved the word that He gave His only Son that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish but will have eternal life.

That doesn't sound temporary to me.

What they of the non-osas group are not understanding is that recieving salvation is a permanant choice on your part. You are saying an everlasting yes to recieving God's forgiveness and grace. It's something you will never forfeit. It's not a matter of "can or "can't" forfeit in your freewill, it's a matter of "will or won't". And those who make this choice won't, because they already have made the choice. Imagine choosing to eat an orange one morning and someone comes up to you and says "Make sure you eat the orange you ate this morning. If you don't eat the orange you ate this morning, and you don't continue to eat it, you will be damned". It's not about can or can't, because it is impossible because you already have. And because you already have, you have made your mind up, and thus won't eat any more of it because it's already gone.
Of course salvation is eternally more serious, but I am painting the picture to what they are saying to others.

What I'm saying is that salvation is not a temporary offer from God. His offer is an everlasting offer, and thus you make a choice with everlasting consequences - recieve, or don't recieve.

For the saved person this life is spent serving the God who saved us out of thanksgiving and devotion, and cleaning up the fleshly part of your being which does not allign with the spiritual side of you, the part that chose to recieve God's love, the "inner man". Paul writes in Romans 7:22-25
"For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin."

This is called Santification. And when Christ returns, and all the dead in Christ are caught up to him in the air, we will cast away all the evil of the flesh in the presense of God's complete love. That does not mean we are to sin because, hey, it will go away anyway... no, the saved person will have a desire to be sanctified here and now, and casting away the flesh is a process that begins at salvation.

I felt this all tied together so I included it. Spiritual milk.

There is a hymn that says something like "Never let me outlive my love for Thee". I think the idea is more that there could be a time in our lives when we grow tired of faithfulness or find ourselves not really loving Jesus any longer because of all the things we've had to endure in life. Christians often express a sentiment like this to express their hope that God would take them away before they reach that point so as not to be a poor witness for Him. Kind of along the lines of "Lord, I believe! Help my unbelief!" I think all of us have those little doubts deep down that nag us now and then, even when all the rest of our heart is convinced of the Truth.

frogoon234 said:

thanks for this. I'm putting this in my journal.

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What an honor! I'm glad my words were an inspiration.

It comes from the hymn "O Sacred Head Now Wounded" and the whole verse goes:

What language shall I borrow to thank Thee, dearest friend,
For this - Thy dying sorrow, Thy pity without end?
O make me Thine forever, and should I fainting be,
Lord, let me never, never outlive my love to Thee.

It's a great hymn, albeit old wording.

Nicolaus Mourer said: ↑
John 5:24 "He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation, but is passed from death unto life."

You cannot lose everlasting life once you have it according to this verse.

frogoon234 said:

I guess i see so many threads that try to convince me otherwise from what you are saying i feel the need to produce a hypothetical situation. One problem with NOSAS is how do you quantify the amount of love for others that is needed to maintain your salvation. None of these NOSAS christian/"saved people" ever answer that question.

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Because they can't answer a whole lot of questions. They create more questions than they can answer by their theories.

In addition to John 5:24, don't forget John 10:28.
I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.

It could not be stated any more clearly than this. Jesus said recipients of eternal life (that would be saved people) shall never perish.

One either believes what Jesus said or they do not.