Scripture Question - Genesis 22

Aseyesee · Sep 21, 2017

Ron Gurley said:
I agree with post #18...The Abraham-Isaac account is fore-shadowing the plan of the TRI-UNE GOD from eternity: the voluntary "substitutionary atonement" of Jesus the God-Man whose Holy blood was shed on a cruel and unjust Cross FOR all sins FOR all men FOR all time.

In the OT, a blood sacrifice was required once a year (yom kippur) to cover the sins of Israel, Isaac's descendants. SEE:Exodus 20

In the NT, Jesus the God-Man voluntarily became the blood sacrifice to bind the NEW COVENANT. His "TRUE MAN" agonized in the Garden of Gethsemane:

Matthew 26
38 ...“My soul is deeply grieved, to the point of death; ...”

Mark 14
35 And He went a little beyond them, and fell to the ground and began to pray
that if it were possible, the hour (of self sacrifice) might pass Him by.
36 And He was saying, “Abba! Father! All things are possible for You;
remove this cup (of death) from Me; yet not what I will, but what You will.”

Luke 22
43 Now an angel from heaven appeared to Him, strengthening Him.
44 And being in agony He was praying very fervently;
and His sweat became like drops of blood, falling down upon the ground.

I agree to, though there is so much more there as it pertains to the baptism he was baptized with, and the cup he drank of; but this identication is twofold, and you cannot truly understand the one without the other in relationship to God, his son, and his son in us, as the son we are.

KaieraAi · Sep 22, 2017

Aseyesee said:
We must give up what we thought to be the very promise of God, in order to have a greater view of what this promise is as it pertains to us, and our relationship with God.

This idea is so incredible to me, thank you so much for adding it. It's amazing just how short-sighted we can be, isn't it? That even when we think we're looking at what God has promised, we are still looking at it from our selfish point of view. There is no bounds to how hard we must listen, how often we must make sure we aren't swerving off into our own ways, even when those are closer and closer to what God wants.

Aseyesee · Sep 22, 2017

KaieraAi said:
This idea is so incredible to me, thank you so much for adding it. It's amazing just how short-sighted we can be, isn't it? That even when we think we're looking at what God has promised, we are still looking at it from our selfish point of view. There is no bounds to how hard we must listen, how often we must make sure we aren't swerving off into our own ways, even when those are closer and closer to what God wants.

Sooooo agree with you, for me, it's a way of consciously walking it out; two cannot walk as one unless they first agree.

Dave-W · Sep 22, 2017

KaieraAi said:
So, I'm doing a devotional bible study, and I'm reading the passage about how God tells Abraham to sacrifice his son Issac, and then stops him at the last moment.

That was the passage of scripture read in synagogues all over the world yesterday.

KaieraAi said:
But how do you think Issac felt? Do you think he understood? Abraham did not tell him what would be done. When the boy asked where the animal to be sacrificed was, he told him that the lord would provide. And when that didn't happen, he was bound, and the knife was raised to kill him before God intervened. Do you think he understood? Do you think this act impacted him in any way, or was to work in his heart too?

Had to be. Abraham was about 100 years old when Isaac was born, and this was about 20 years later. Could not a 20 year old young man easily overpower a 120 year old geezer? Even after carrying a huge load of wood for the fire up a mountain?

For Isaac, it had to be voluntary.

inquiring mind · Sep 22, 2017

I think an interesting verse is Genesis 22:5, when Abraham said to the servants left behind, “we” will come back to you.

Greg Merrill · Sep 27, 2017

KaieraAi said:
So, I'm doing a devotional bible study, and I'm reading the passage about how God tells Abraham to sacrifice his son Issac, and then stops him at the last moment.

I understand the significance to Abraham. He needed to understand his priorities, that even the gifts God gave him could not come before God. He also needed to know and trust that God would still provide, that God would either intervene or bring the boy back. He needed to not fear, even in a moment of likely extreme fear and perceived loss. I get all of that.

But how do you think Issac felt? Do you think he understood? Abraham did not tell him what would be done. When the boy asked where the animal to be sacrificed was, he told him that the lord would provide. And when that didn't happen, he was bound, and the knife was raised to kill him before God intervened. Do you think he understood? Do you think this act impacted him in any way, or was to work in his heart too? I'd like a little more insight on how you think God works in the people who seem to be 'used' in the old testament. Like, the nations overthrown when the Israelites took the Holy Land back, or the places God destroyed, like Sodom and Gomorrah. God is of universal love, but there are people who seem to be hurt or destroyed when God shows his love to another group sometimes. Why is this, or how is God working in the people who seem to be getting the short end of the stick?

Isaac is symbolic of Jesus (the Lamb of God) as Abraham is symbolic of God the Father in this event. Just as Jesus was resigned to be a sacrifice, I believe Isaac also had the same trust in Abraham, his father, as Jesus had in God the Father. I don't see Isaac struggling to save himself from being killed. Just as God knew the faith of Abraham, He knew the faith of Isaac, and knew He could use these two to act out this demonstration of faith, that symbolized the sacrifice and provision God would make for the world.

faroukfarouk · Mar 7, 2018

Here's a good verse:

Romans 8.32: "He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?"

Greg Merrill · Mar 7, 2018

This is not a good verse (is there a bad one, just kidding), this is a great verse!
To be given all things! Wow. We may not "feel" like we have all things some times, or may not be enjoying all things presently, but we will some day. Imagine getting official papers in the mail that someone has given you ownership of a mansion across the country in perfect condition, and with all the taxes and needed future maintenance already paid for in advance! That would be great. You just wouldn't be able to enjoy unless you moved, and maybe you can't or don't want to move right now. There is always the future. In the "next life" we will enjoy all things fully, but can still enjoy them to some degree, in some ways now.

yeshuaslavejeff · May 13, 2019

KaieraAi said:
Why is this, or how is God working in the people who seem to be getting the short end of the stick?

God destroys people when He wants to.

He is also perfectly righteous and just in all that He does. (no "short end" no lack of justice , no unrighteousness at all involved in their due judgment)

What those people who are destroyed think doesn't matter (as written: here one day, gone the next, forever) . They died because of their unbelief. (even some/ multitudes today) are ALREADY dead (though still walking around us) because of their unbelief, and will soon be destroyed. It doesn't matter what they think.

yeshuaslavejeff · May 13, 2019

Neckelehamiah said:
I agree wholeheartedly. While their life may be done on earth, after they die they still have the chance to repent. So long as they are not stubborn, life is still an option for them

THis is directly opposed to all Scripture.
It doesn't mater if they were/are stubborn or not,
because of unbelief they are condemned.

After they die, this cannot be changed. (according to all of God's Word, Plan and Purpose)

KaieraAi · May 14, 2019

yeshuaslavejeff said:
God destroys people when He wants to.

He is also perfectly righteous and just in all that He does. (no "short end" no lack of justice , no unrighteousness at all involved in their due judgment)

What those people who are destroyed think doesn't matter (as written: here one day, gone the next, forever) . They died because of their unbelief. (even some/ multitudes today) are ALREADY dead (though still walking around us) because of their unbelief, and will soon be destroyed. It doesn't matter what they think.

God is also mercy and love. It is this love that draws us to Him. It is this love for which He sent his only son to die for us. He did not want us to suffer in sin. He was willing to sacrifice his son (himself) because He wanted a closer relationship to us, so to describe this merciful and loving God who defeated sin and death in order to give all the chance to know him as a being who destroys wantonly and without regard for mankind is wrong.

Jesus died for all of us so that we would not need to be dead in our sin.

Ron Gurley · May 14, 2019

John 3:17
For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.

John 10:9
I am the door; if anyone enters through Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture.

Acts 4:12
And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved.”

yeshuaslavejeff · May 14, 2019

KaieraAi said:
He did not want us to suffer in sin.

Before creating the world and the universe and any humans,
HE PLANNED our suffering ......

KaieraAi said:
a being who destroys wantonly and without regard for mankind is wrong.

God regards mankind as evil, and punishes the ones who do not become His children.

Why attribute any human emotions or other human designs to God ?

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