Who believes we are in the latter days and that the Rapture will happen in our lifetime?

Tone · May 13, 2019

TribulationSigns said:
we should do exactly as God has instructed. Do what? We COUNT this number the only way it can be counted. As the number of itself.

Tell me how can we do that...if you have the understanding!

Answer?

Douggg · May 14, 2019

ewq1938 said:
The Jews have served non-Jewish kings before so they can again in the future.

Joh_19:15 But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priests answered, We have no king but Caesar.

But to be the Christ, a person has to be a Jew. The point I was making is "the Christ", a greek based version for "the messiah", is the promised great King of Israel to lead the Jews and the rest of the world into the messianic age.

John 4:25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.

In John 12:12-15, Jesus was hailed as the King of Israel - until the Jewish religious leaders turned many of the people against him.

12 On the next day much people that were come to the feast, when they heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem,

13 Took branches of palm trees, and went forth to meet him, and cried, Hosanna: Blessed is the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord.

14 And Jesus, when he had found a young ass, sat thereon; as it is written,

15 Fear not, daughter of Sion: behold, thy King cometh, sitting on an ass's colt.

So Anti-Christ is tied to being the King of Israel. Which that is important because Moses made it a law that all future leaders of Israel confirm the Mt. Sinai covenant on a 7 year interval, i.e. for 7 years. Which is what the prince who shall come in Daniel 9:27 will do, as the Jews will think he is their messiah.

_____________________________________________________________________

"We have no king, but Caesar" was actually prophetic as it turns out. The person, not only has to be a Jew descended from David, he also has to be descended from the Julio-Claudians (another way of saying the Caesar family).

This comes from Revelation 17:10, the seven kings. Nero was the last of the historic line of 6 Julio-Claudian kings. The 7th of that series is end times, the little horn person.

If you follow through my chart, I show the path of how that person fulfills being a Caesar, and a Jew; and at times both the King of Israel (the Antichrist), and the King of the Roman Empire (the little horn and the beast).

TribulationSigns · May 14, 2019

Revealing Times said:
1. The 666 is a code for a MA'S NAME, the part you didn't HIGHLIGHT for that very reason...it proves you wrong....for it is the number of a man;

First, God declares that "He who hath wisdom and understanding" (true Believers) should "Count" the number of the beast. In other words, exegete, calculate, evaluate, so that you know the character of the beast. No, it's not a mathematical equation, because God gives us but "one number." How do you count one number? I asked you but you fail or refused to figure it out. Yet you insisted it is a number of "a" man. Well, the answer to this mystery is hidden in plain sight. God tells us "exactly" what the number is. He states very succinctly, "..it is the Number of MAN!"

Take note that your "translation" may read, "the number of 'A' Man," but rest assured the "a" is not (never was, never will be) in any manuscripts. It is not in any of the manuscripts or copies of the original. We should understand that there are no indefinite articles in the Greek, as there are in English. The word is anarthrous or [anth'-ro-pos], and is a genitive case, which specifically defines. So be forewarned that in the Greek, it is the exact same declarative phrase as found in Romans.

Exhibit A:

Romans 2:9

"Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of Man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;"

Or again, as we see demonstrated in Corinthians:

Exhibit B:

1st Corinthians 2:9

"But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart Of Man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him."

The verse has exact same declarative phrase yet, there is no article 'a' there, just as there is none in Revelation chapter 13. Or again, as seen in such contexts as Revelation chapter one:

Exhibit C:

Revelation 1:13

"And in the midst of the seven candlesticks, one like unto the Son Of Man..."

Again, this is the "exact" same Greek application as in Revelation chapter 13! There is no article 'a' there, nor in Revelation chapter 13, and there shouldn't be. The 'a' in Revelation chapter 13 was put there erroneously in some translations (presumably) because they thought that it might make it better understood. In reality, of course, it has had the opposite effect. Because some people (and even a few theologians) have because of this formed the misguided idea that there actually is an 'a' in that verse. Consequently, many think that this verse refers to a particular man, rather than simply man, or mankind, which is the way it was actually "inspired by God" to be written. This number of the beast "IS" the number "of man." But there is no need to take my word for it, simply check it out carefully yourself. Compare in the original Greek, or get yourself an interlinear explanation, or consult any "real" expert in the Greek languages, and you will find this to be the case. It is an undeniable fact that it is not written there, "..number of a man." What the Holy Spirit actually inspired written is, ..it is the Number Of Man. So we have the beast a devouring creature signifying animalistic carnality, "of the flesh," which is a body of professed believers with spirit of antichrist. And we are told that the number of the beast is the number of man, whose number is six hundred, sixty and six. Finally, those with wisdom and understanding should count this number of man, which is of the beast. It is a spiritual mark that God aside for judgment designed for all man, not a man, who received it.

I don't put much stock in the number 666 because its unknowable until the Man has come to power and I will be in Heaven at that time, having been Raptured to Marry the Lamb like the bible says.

Which proves my position that you have no clues what the mark of the beast is because you are waiting for "a" man. Or won't be bothered to deal with the number 666 thinking it won't apply to him because he will be already in heaven getting busy for the wedding. That is foolish talking.

Douggg · May 14, 2019

Revealing Times said:
So the sixth seal happens at the midway point, thus Satan is cast down at the MIDWAY POINT.

Where in Revelation 6:12-17, the sixth seal, is anything about Satan?

Blade · May 14, 2019

As I read and understand this ..something has not happen YET.. when it does.. THEN one can know

"For this lawlessness is already at work secretly, and it will remain secret until the one who is holding it back steps out of the way. Then the man of lawlessness will be revealed, but the Lord Jesus will slay him with the breath of his mouth and destroy him by the splendor of his coming. "

So trying to get around 666? For me again it was written 600.60.6.

ewq1938 · May 14, 2019

Douggg said:
But to be the Christ, a person has to be a Jew.

And the false Christ does not.

The point I was making is "the Christ", a greek based version for "the messiah", is the promised great King of Israel to lead the Jews and the rest of the world into the messianic age.

Yeah the Jews thought that but were wrong which is partly why most reject Christ.

So Anti-Christ is tied to being the King of Israel.

You haven't supplied any scripture tying the AC to being king of Israel. You have only tried to tie the actual Christ to it.

Douggg · May 14, 2019

ewq1938 said:
And the false Christ does not.

A false Christ does not have to be a Jew. There have been many false Christs. Some recent ones are Jose' Miranda (deceased), John Miller in Australia, Vissarion in Russia. None of them are Jews. Yet all of them claim(ed) to be Jesus.

You haven't supplied any scripture tying the AC to being king of Israel. You have only tried to tie the actual Christ to it.

The only way any understanding regarding what the Antichrist is - is to base it according to what the concept of "the Christ" is.

In John 12:13, the King of Israel, coming in the name of the lord.
In Matthew 23:39, Jesus saying, Jerusalem would not see him again until she says blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord. .
In John 5:43, another the Jews will accept coming in his own name.

So the whole idea is the Antichrist will become the King of Israel, but is not someone who God sent to be their messiah King of Israel.

Yeah the Jews thought that but were wrong which is partly why most reject Christ.

The Jews were not wrong that the messiah has to be the King of Israel.

Douggg · May 14, 2019

TribulationSigns said:
In other words, exegete, calculate, evaluate, so that you know the character of the beast.

How do you come to the conclusion that counting the number of the beast - the purpose is anything but to know the identity of the beast?

anna ~ grace · May 14, 2019

Not all Christians believe in a re-Tribulation Rapture. This belief is not a requirement for valid Christian faith. Just putting that out there.

LittleLambofJesus · May 14, 2019

Gracia Singh said:
Not all Christians believe in a re-Tribulation Rapture. This belief is not a requirement for valid Christian faith. Just putting that out there.

ewq1938 · May 14, 2019

Douggg said:
A false Christ does not have to be a Jew.

Neither does the Antichrist then because the AC is a false Christ.

The only way any understanding regarding what the Antichrist is - is to base it according to what the concept of "the Christ" is.

That's a bad and incorrect assumption. The bible never says the AC must become the king of Israel. It only describes him as a leader of a global empire which is likened to being king of the whole world. No one country is in view on who the AC is king or ruler over.

The Jews were not wrong that the messiah has to be the King of Israel.

They were wrong on that and everything else. Jesus was never crowned king of Israel and said his kingdom wasn't from the Earth.

Douggg · May 14, 2019

ewq1938 said:
Neither does the Antichrist then because the AC is a false Christ.

When you go to 1John2:18, does it say that them John was talking to - that the knew that a false Christ was coming? No, they were aware that Antichrist was coming.

Antichrist is a one specific individual, who comes in his own name.

Differently, all of the examples I gave you of false Christs, each of those claimed to be Jesus who came in the name of the Lord. Each of those False Christs claim to be Jesus returned. So they do not speak negatively against Jesus. They all say that Jesus is the true messiah. The twist being that they claim they are him in a returned state.

Different from the false Christs, the Antichrist opposes Jesus, speaks against Jesus, speaks to discredit Jesus. He will a Jew, who speaks against Jesus being the true messiah. The Antichrist will never claim to be Jesus.

Douggg · May 14, 2019

ewq1938 said:
They were wrong on that and everything else. Jesus was never crowned king of Israel and said his kingdom wasn't from the Earth.

That Jesus was not crowned King of Israel is one of the arguments that Jewish countermissionary's use to say that Jesus was a "failed messiah".

What they don't point out in their argument the reason is that his own people plotted and had him crucified to prevent it from happening.

The Jews are not wrong about the messiah being the King of Israel. Jesus was hailed as the King of Israel as he entered Jerusalem that final passover week, riding the donkey as the text in John 12 cites Zechariah 9:9.

9 Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.

Jesus when he returns will be King of Israel, as it says in Psalms 2:6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.

Douggg · May 14, 2019

ewq1938 said:
That's a bad and incorrect assumption. The bible never says the AC must become the king of Israel. It only describes him as a leader of a global empire which is likened to being king of the whole world. No one country is in view on who the AC is king or ruler over.

You won't find the Antichrist anywhere in the bible as being the leader of a global empire.

Find your verses and come back with the proper title in the text itself. It is not Antichrist.

ewq1938 · May 14, 2019

Douggg said:
Antichrist is a one specific individual, who comes in his own name.

No, he won't use his own name. He claims to be God, and he isn't God so it's not his name he will use.

ewq1938 · May 14, 2019

Douggg said:
That Jesus was not crowned King of Israel is one of the arguments that Jewish countermissionary's use to say that Jesus was a "failed messiah".

Again, they expected things that weren't biblical.

Jesus when he returns will be King of Israel, as it says in Psalms 2:6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.

His kingdom is currently not the Earth or any place upon it. His kingdom is in heaven. When he returns, he brings the kingdom with him and he returns as King, king of kings actually.

ewq1938 · May 14, 2019

Douggg said:
You won't find the Antichrist anywhere in the bible as being the leader of a global empire.

Find your verses and come back with the proper title in the text itself. It is not Antichrist.

Only John used the term Antichrist. No other writer or book uses the term but the person John spoke of is found in many books. He is the leader of a global empire in Rev 13

parousia70 · May 14, 2019

ewq1938 said:
Neither does the Antichrist then because the AC is a false Christ.

What scriptural teaching on antichrist teaches that?

The bible never says the AC must become the king of Israel.

100% correct.

It only describes him as a leader of a global empire which is likened to being king of the whole world.

Nope... it never says that about antichrist either.

Douggg · May 14, 2019

ewq1938 said:
Only John used the term Antichrist. No other writer or book uses the term but the person John spoke of is found in many books. He is the leader of a global empire in Rev 13

Where are you reading Antichrist in Revelation 13?

Douggg · May 14, 2019

ewq1938 said:
Again, they expected things that weren't biblical.

Such as? That the messiah will be the King of Israel is biblical - right in Zechariah 9:9.

Who believes we are in the latter days and that the Rapture will happen in our lifetime?

"Whenever Thou humblest me, Thou makest me great."

anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

Well-Known Member

anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

Veteran

I love you three.

anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

Newbie

Hebrews 2:14.... Pesky Devil, git!

I love you three.

anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

I love you three.

I love you three.

I love you three.

Livin' in yesterday's tomorrow

anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

Similar threads