Were in the bible does it say the soul is immortal?

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It is not possible for the soul, or spirit, to be destroyed.

What was that verse in Matthew again (for starters)? I think it was quoted earlier in this very thread.

"Fear Him who can destroy both soul and body in hell."


It's amazing that annihilationists are the ones who routinely get accused of being false teachers and/or deliberately misrepresenting or misquoting Scripture to back up their arguments.

But @HTacianas was correct. Conditional immortality (or annhiliationism) is not welcome out in the open here, even though the weight of evidence for it against inherently immortal, indestructible souls is staggering. People would rather hang on to their sick fantasies about medieval torments in hell. So I'm out.
 
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The meaning of it is that men can only kill the body with physical death but cannot kill the soul. The implication is that the soul continues on after the death of the body. Hence the body is mortal while the soul is immortal.

Well, until it gets "destroyed" (Matthew 10:28 as you quoted), in hell. Human souls there will "perish" (John 3:16) -- "the lake of fire is the second death" (Rev 20:14). So, that temporary afterlife for the perishing is not really what is meant by the way most people mean 'immortal'. Only those redeemed or forgiven will be given eternal life (John 3:16) The thought is that while angels are likely already immortal, we are not yet, until it is given to us.
 
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"It is not possible for the soul, or spirit, to be destroyed."

Thanks for bringing that to my attention. The first paragraph was a quick copy of the first paragraph of the website I posted at the beginning & then I moved on. I didn't read it carefully before copying it. It wasn't my own words.

I apologize for not seeing the error there. I corrected it with you cannot kill the soul or the spirit but God can destroy both the resurrected body & the soul in Gehenna, the second death & everlasting hell.

Notice what Jesus actually taught there. When the person FIRST PHYSICALLY DIES, his body does indeed die but the soul cannot be killed at the time of the physical death of the physical body. That temporary, mortal body goes back to dust again from which it was made.

But then Jesus talks about what happens to a person AFTER physical death, after the soul has departed from the dead physical body. There is going to be a resurrection of ALL PEOPLE AFTER PHYSICAL DEATH. The soul & spirit will again enter back into this new, resurrected body to face God.

And how does Scripture describe this resurrected body that all people will have?

I Cor 15:35ff But someone will ask, “How are the dead raised? With what kind of body do they come?” You foolish person! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies. So is it with the resurrection of the dead. What is sown is perishable; what is raised is imperishable. It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised in power. It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.

Jesus taught the resurrected body (the one that is immortal & incorruptible) will join the soul again & we are to fear the One, Who, after physical death, can cast the body & soul into Gehenna & destroy them (not annihilation of being but of well being of the person, brought to ruin & powerless).

The resurrected body CANNOT be annihilated or be brought to cessation because it is immortal & incorruptible. It will continue to exist forever, just like the spirit & the soul continue forever. Those who believe will continue forever in the presence of the Lord in our eternal home; those who believe not will continue forever in Gehenna, away from the presence of the Lord.

I will not go into a lengthy study on this word, destroy to show all this. One simple example will suffice: when Satan is thrown into the abyss, he is said to be DESTROYED (same exact word). Yet he is then let out of there & later deceives the whole world again. So it obviously can't mean annihilation or cessation of being but again of reducing one to a state of powerlessness & ruin.

To help you better & familiarize you with the actual Scriptures, here is what Jesus Himself taught. Jesus was the one who taught you CANNOT KILL THE SOUL.

Matt 10:28 Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Instead, fear the one who is able to destroy both soul & body in hell.

This is NOT some person of whatever Christian background they are, that is stating this. Your argument is with Jesus & if you persist in not believing what He wrote, you will as a soul apart from your body face Him after physical death, like everyone else, in a new immortal resurrected body.

Also, Jesus WENT TO HELL (sheol/hades). He should know. He was there. He conquered death in leaving there & all who believe in Him & what He taught (you cannot separate Jesus from what He taught!) can be delivered from there. Thank you, HTacianas, for pointing out about annihilationism.
 
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Would you like to help stop the confusion then by defining death & soul rather than just commenting on it? Thanks. :wave: I think I defined physical death as the separation of the spirit and soul from the physical body, like Jesus' example on the cross & like the Apostle James defines it. I alluded to various other verses that define physical death as the separation of the spirit & the soul from it. I also either gave Scripture or alluded to Scripture as to where the spirit goes and the soul goes & the physical body goes after physical death.

Like I said previously, I have done an indepth study on this from Genesis to Revelation but I didn't want to fill page after page & verse after verse defining these terms as Scripture defines them.

I made a distinction between the breath of God that gives physical life ('Jesus breathed his last breath) and the spirit of man that is distinct from the breath of God for physical life.

I showed in Scripture how it describes the resurrection body of all who will be raised at the resurrection of the dead & those alive who are transformed in a twinkling of an eye & how that new resurrected body is IMMORTAL & UNCORRUPTIBLE, it will continue on forever.

Prov 20:27 The spirit of man is the lamp of the LORD, searching all his innermost parts. My physical breath cannot search out all my innermost parts.

Job 12:10 'In whose hand is the soul of every living thing, and the breath of all mankind.' There is a distinction between the soul and physical breath.

Isaiah 14:9 The world of the dead eagerly waits for you. With great excitement, the spirits of ancient rulers hear about your coming.

The spirits of people that depart from the dead physical body are in sheol here & conscious & able to show recognition of who they are/were before dying. They are individually recognized.

I can go on & on but I will stop here. Again Jesus is the key example. As a human being, He had a body, soul & spirit & Scripture tells us when he physically died, what happened to each part of his human being & what happened after He rose again from the dead.
 
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Would you like to help stop the confusion then by defining death & soul rather than just commenting on it? Thanks. :wave:
We'll I could, I have studied, taught and preached on both in depth and I think I've gotten some neat insight into them. But, if those debating don't agree then it will just lead to a whole different debate and derail the conversation. Right now I have to go teach a class on prayer. Later if anyone really want's to know what my definitions are I'll check back in. Otherwise I just encourage folks to clarify what you mean by these things so everyone's speaking the same language.
 
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The meaning of it is that men can only kill the body with physical death but cannot kill the soul. The implication is that the soul continues on after the death of the body. Hence the body is mortal while the soul is immortal.

The meaning of it is that in hell---both die.
 
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Yeah, I know. Many Christians don't like hearing the hard truth that they won't get to see their enemies burn alive forever after all. It must be tough knowing that they will only be utterly destroyed, won't it?

Yah--I wonder how badly someone hurt them to want to see them burn forever.
 
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Would you like to help stop the confusion then by defining death & soul rather than just commenting on it? Thanks. :wave: I think I defined physical death as the separation of the spirit and soul from the physical body, like Jesus' example on the cross & like the Apostle James defines it. I alluded to various other verses that define physical death as the separation of the spirit & the soul from it. I also either gave Scripture or alluded to Scripture as to where the spirit goes and the soul goes & the physical body goes after physical death.

Like I said previously, I have done an indepth study on this from Genesis to Revelation but I didn't want to fill page after page & verse after verse defining these terms as Scripture defines them.

I made a distinction between the breath of God that gives physical life ('Jesus breathed his last breath) and the spirit of man that is distinct from the breath of God for physical life.

I showed in Scripture how it describes the resurrection body of all who will be raised at the resurrection of the dead & those alive who are transformed in a twinkling of an eye & how that new resurrected body is IMMORTAL & UNCORRUPTIBLE, it will continue on forever.

Prov 20:27 The spirit of man is the lamp of the LORD, searching all his innermost parts. My physical breath cannot search out all my innermost parts.

Job 12:10 'In whose hand is the soul of every living thing, and the breath of all mankind.' There is a distinction between the soul and physical breath.

Isaiah 14:9 The world of the dead eagerly waits for you. With great excitement, the spirits of ancient rulers hear about your coming.

The spirits of people that depart from the dead physical body are in sheol here & conscious & able to show recognition of who they are/were before dying. They are individually recognized.

I can go on & on but I will stop here. Again Jesus is the key example. As a human being, He had a body, soul & spirit & Scripture tells us when he physically died, what happened to each part of his human being & what happened after He rose again from the dead.

28 Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

While we don't have to know esoteric things, it can sometimes be important to a lost seeker, who is asking questions, to know more fully how Just and Fair God is, so that we can answer well.

"The lake of fire is the second death."

This could with effort attempted to be read as a metaphor, but it does not sound at all like a metaphor style wording. Why make a metaphor so poorly?

Metaphors are more clearly worded in a metaphorical sense.

Words like "perish" (John 3:16) -- those not given eternal life will perish: "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."

"destroy" above in Matthew 10:28, and "second death" (Rev 20:14) together...they start to sound very un-metaphorical together.

One good way to answer a lost person asking how could God punish finite sin with infinite punishment is to honestly admit that many Christians believe He does not! That instead those in the lake of fire, being human souls (not angels), perish. For real.
 
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What do you think the last few verses of Isaiah 66 are showing will occur on the new earth?

Those in flesh will go out and look at those in the lake of fire.
Why?
Could it be that the wickeds will be used as a warning to the righteous to never sin again?

The OT shows many times as to many or all punish one or a few sinners for a reason. So they shall hear and fear -and obey.

Malachi 1 shows that God will be angry with the wicked in Edom -forever.
The OT shows that the punishment lasts as long as God is angry.

where their worm never dies

No prayers will get those wickeds out of the lake of fire.

The devils didn't just ask if Jesus would destroy them -as in before the time -but would He torment them early.

People suffer in hell now, and they will suffer later in the lake of fire for eternity.
they shall never see light
darkness - reserved for them forever
wide is the gate - leads to destruction
narrow is the one - to life

the wicked rich man - shall not enter into the kingdom of God
Jesus Christ told some of the Jews that where He was going -they cannot come - they shall not follow -
but the disciples will - follow Him there later



Mal 4:1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.

Mal_4:3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.


No one will be in heaven out of fear---only out of love. Anyone who even considers sinning will only have to look upon our Savior's scars to remind them of the price paid for us.

Rev_14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
You really think God, His Son and the angels have nothing better to do throughout eternity than to sit and watch people burning??? You really think that is what He created us for?

Eze_18:32 For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord GOD: wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye.
But you think He will have pleasure in giving us eternal torment?
 
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7 then the dust (body) will return to the earth as it was, and the spirit will return to God who gave it.

Eccl. 12 =>

26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our (spiritual) image, according to Our (character) likeness

Genesis 1=>

Revelation 20:11
[ Judgment at the Throne of God ] Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them.
 
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