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“For you will not leave my soul among the dead
or allow your holy one to rot in the grave.
You will show me the way of life,
granting me the joy of Your Presence
and the pleasures of living with You forever.”
Psalm 16:10-11

It would be nice if this was not David telling the Lord what He was going to do? Hope the Lord listens to him.

How do people live in the atmosphere (1st heaven) or space (2nd heaven)?

My question exactly? The heavens or kingdoms that people live in after the resurrected will be real livable places. They are not going to be living in the vacuum of outer space or above the earth where the birds fly. And most of them will not be living where God dwells.

The 3rd heaven in Scripture refers to where God resides.

So you have scripture that says the 3rd heaven is where God resides?

According to Revelation, the first heaven passes away. There goes your terrestial kingdom, by the way. The new Jerusalem comes down from heaven from God. Notice it doesn't differentiate which heaven; there is only one where God resides. Also notice that the resurrected people will reside in the the New Jerusalem with God, not in any of the lds versions of heaven (terrestial, telestial, celestial). So that puts your resurrection scenario to rest. Ignore it if you wish, but the lds theology cannot stand up to the Bible.

The first heaven in this scripture is talking about the atmosphere surrounding this earth. Not the livable space that people will live in after they are resurrected. This first heaven will surely be done away, but that has nothing to do with the first heaven/kingdom of the resurrection.

Now you have to ask yourself: who are the people mentioned in this scripture? They are they who did what was necessary to be perfected and exalted by the grace of Jesus Christ and now will live with God and Jesus in the New Jerusalem on the earth. They were resurrected in the first resurrection, and they will live with God and Jesus forever, clothed in Celestial bodies as per 1 Corinthians 15, whose glory is compared to the glory of the sun in 1 Corinthians 15.
There will be second heaven/kingdom that will exist that will have the glory as compared to the moon, far less glorious than the Celestial, the people here are resurrected in the second resurrection and will be clothed in Terrestrial bodies as it says in 1 Corinthians 15.
And finally there will be a third heaven/kingdom where people will exist that will have the glory as compared to the twinkling little stars, far less glory than the sun or the moon. These are they that will be resurrected in the last resurrection, and will be clothed in Telestial bodies. It's name was given to JS.

Where these heavens/kingdoms are located is not known, except the highest kingdom and it will be on the earth where God and Jesus will dwell with those people that were allowed into that heaven/kingdom.
 
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Neither The Book of Mormon or Bible teach more than ONE in the past, present or future .



1. Deuteronomy 4:35,39 — Unto thee it was shown, that thou mightest know that the LORD he is God; there is none else beside him. (39) Know therefore this day, and consider it in thine heart, that the LORD he is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath: there is none else.



2. Deuteronomy 6:4 — Hear, O Israel: The LORD thy God is one LORD. [Note in Mark 12:28-34 how Jesus and a Jewish scribe he encountered understood this text.]



3. Deuteronomy32:39 — See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.



4. 2 Samuel 7:22 — Wherefore thou art great, O LORD God; for there is none like thee, neither is there any God beside thee, according to all that we have heard with our ears.



5. 1 Kings 8:60 — That all the people of the earth may know that the LORD is God, and that there is none else.



6. 2 KINGS 5:15 — And he returned to the man of God, he and all his company, and came, and stood before him: and he said, Behold, now I know that there is no God in all the earth, but in Israel; now therefore, I pray thee, take a blessing of thy servant.



7. 2 Kings 19:15 — And Hezekiah prayed before the LORD, and said, O LORD God of Israel, which dwellest between the cherubims, thou art the God, even thou alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth; thou hast made heaven and earth.



8. 1 Chronicles 17:20— O LORD, there is none like thee, neither is there any God beside thee, according to all that we have heard with our ears.



9. Nehemiah 9:6 — Thou, even thou, art LORD alone; thou has made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host, the earth, and all things that are therein, the seas, and all that is therein, and thou preservest them all; and the host of heaven worshippeth thee.



10. Psalm 18:31 — For who is God save the LORD? or who is a rock save our God?



11. Psalm 86:10 — For thou art great, and doest wondrous things: thou art God alone.



12. Isaiah 37:16,20 — O LORD of hosts, God of Israel, that dwellest between the cherubims, thou art the God, even thou alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth: thou has made heaven and earth. (20) Now therefore, O LORD our God, save us from his hand, that all the kingdoms of the earth may know that thou art the LORD, even thou only.



13. Isaiah43:10,11 — Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no savior.



14. Isaiah44:6,8 — Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. Fear ye not, neither be afraid; have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.



15. Isaiah 45:21 — Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time: who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Savior; there is none beside me.



16. Isaiah 46:9 — For I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me.



17. Hosea 13:4 — Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me; for there is no savior beside me.



18. Joel 2:27 — And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am the LORD your God, and none else: and my people shall never be ashamed.



19. Zechariah 14:9 — And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.



20. Mark 12:29-34 —And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. And the second is like, namely this, thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these. And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he: And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbor as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices. And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, Thou art not far from the kingdom of God. And no man after that durst ask him any question.



21. John 17:3 — And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.



22. Romans 3:30 — Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.



23. 1 Corinthians 8:4-6 — As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one. For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.



24. Galatians 3:20 — Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.



25. Ephesians 4:6 — One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.



26. 1 Timothy 1:17 — Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.



27. 1 Timothy 2:5 — For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.



28. James 2:19 — Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
You are right, there is only 1 God.
 
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You are right, there is only 1 God.




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It would be nice if this was not David telling the Lord what He was going to do? Hope the Lord listens to him.
Your lack of faith in Scripture is noted. See also Romans 4:6-8.
My question exactly? The heavens or kingdoms that people live in after the resurrected will be real livable places. They are not going to be living in the vacuum of outer space or above the earth where the birds fly. And most of them will not be living where God dwells.
You trip over incorrect lds theology, which leads to your confusion.
So you have scripture that says the 3rd heaven is where God resides?
Let Scripture interpret Scripture - 2 Cor 12:4, Rev. 2:7, Rev. 22:14
The first heaven in this scripture is talking about the atmosphere surrounding this earth. Not the livable space that people will live in after they are resurrected. This first heaven will surely be done away, but that has nothing to do with the first heaven/kingdom of the resurrection.
If you are going to take the "third heaven" in 2 Cor 12:2 literally as your proof for the lds 3 levels of heaven (which is theologically incorrect), then the "first heaven" in Rev. 21:1 must also apply to your logic. If you take the former as literal but not the latter, then you are inconsistent in your reasoning and have a selective theology. Not good.

Conversely, if you take the "first heaven" as literal (sky, atmosphere, etc.) and is not an actual dwelling place for anyone, then you must take the "third heaven" as literal and is God's only dwelling place, since that's what Paul is describing. Scripture references have already been provided to you, you just choose to ignore them or misinterpret them.
 
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Your lack of faith in Scripture is noted. See also Romans 4:6-8.

Again this is Paul telling us what David said, so it would be nice if we had a pronouncement from God or Jesus that David would be dwelling with them for eternity.

You trip over incorrect lds theology, which leads to your confusion.

Again, this is not an appropriate response because if it were I could just say the same thing to you. So here I go. You trip over your incorrect Nicean theology, which leads to your confusion.
Now what have we got. You need to tell me how I trip over my LDS thology. If not, I win.

Let Scripture interpret Scripture - 2 Cor 12:4, Rev. 2:7, Rev. 22:14

The question was: So you have scripture that says the 3rd heaven is where God resides? And your response was, let scripture interpret Scripture. And then quoted 2 Corinthians 12:4, Revelations 2:7, and Revelation 22:14 as proof that God resides in the 3rd heaven.

2 Corinthians 12:2-4 King James Version (KJV)
12 It is not expedient for me doubtless to glory. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord.
2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven.
3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;)
4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

In this scripture, Paul is telling us in vs 1 of visions and revelations of the Lord. So is verse 2 one vision, and verse 3&4 another vision.
Verse 2: Paul knew a man and such an one was caught up to the third heaven.
Verse 3&4: And Paul also knew a man that was caught up into paradise.

OR

Is this a vision of the same man, who was caught up into 2 different places?

Why would Paul call one place 'the third heaven', and the other place 'paradise'? Did he do that to confuse us? Or is there actually 2 places? Or are they the same place? This is debatable, and is not biblically clear, either for you or for me.

Revelation 2:7 King James Version (KJV)
7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

Although I agree with this scripture it does not tell us that the paradise of God is the third heaven. In order to come to that conclusion you would have to do some biblical cutting and pasting, which we do to make our points, but this one would have to be a large leap of faith that this paradise of God is the same paradise that a man Paul knew went to. (Remember, Jesus took the thief on the cross to paradise, but God was not in that paradise.)

Revelation 22:14 King James Version (KJV)
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

This scripture does not connect paradise with the third heaven, or that God dwells in the third heaven.

If you are going to take the "third heaven" in 2 Cor 12:2 literally as your proof for the lds 3 levels of heaven (which is theologically incorrect), then the "first heaven" in Rev. 21:1 must also apply to your logic. If you take the former as literal but not the latter, then you are inconsistent in your reasoning and have a selective theology. Not good.

If the first heaven and the first earth will pass away, we know that they will be changed and there will be a new heaven and a new earth, and God will dwell on this new earth with his people. So let the first heaven be changed into the new first heaven and be associated with the new earth where God will dwell with the people of the first resurrection, who have been resurrected in Celestial bodies according to 1 Corinthians 15. Good observation.
 
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Again this is Paul telling us what David said, so it would be nice if we had a pronouncement from God or Jesus that David would be dwelling with them for eternity.
Your position is illogical. How could David be a man after God's heart and not be with God? That's how your religion likes to twist and ignore Scripture. Neither God nor Jesus need to confirm in writing everyone's place in heaven just so it would be "nice" for you. Neither of them said anything about many of the OT or NT prophets, apostles, or other persons mentioned in the Bible. Do you question those too?
Again, this is not an appropriate response because if it were I could just say the same thing to you. So here I go. You trip over your incorrect Nicean theology, which leads to your confusion.
Now what have we got. You need to tell me how I trip over my LDS thology. If not, I win.
The lds theology of 3 different heavens is what trips you up. You can't get past it, even though it has no valid Biblical base.
Is this a vision of the same man, who was caught up into 2 different places?

Why would Paul call one place 'the third heaven', and the other place 'paradise'? Did he do that to confuse us? Or is there actually 2 places? Or are they the same place? This is debatable, and is not biblically clear, either for you or for me.
Same man, same place. You and the lds are the ones to whom it is not clear on.
This scripture does not connect paradise with the third heaven, or that God dwells in the third heaven.
Paul talks about the man caught up in paradise in 2 Cor. 12:4. Rev 2:7 says the Tree of Life is located in the paradise of God. Rev 22:14 locates the Tree of Life in the New Jerusalem, which came down from heaven, and is God's new dwelling place.

Therefore, it's easy to conclude that third heaven = paradise = God's dwelling place.

Although I agree with this scripture it does not tell us that the paradise of God is the third heaven. In order to come to that conclusion you would have to do some biblical cutting and pasting, which we do to make our points, but this one would have to be a large leap of faith that this paradise of God is the same paradise that a man Paul knew went to. (Remember, Jesus took the thief on the cross to paradise, but God was not in that paradise.)
And that's where you trip over lds theology again. Jesus said the thief will be in paradise with Him. Jesus is God. So there goes your theology, again.
 
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Your position is illogical. How could David be a man after God's heart and not be with God? That's how your religion likes to twist and ignore Scripture. Neither God nor Jesus need to confirm in writing everyone's place in heaven just so it would be "nice" for you. Neither of them said anything about many of the OT or NT prophets, apostles, or other persons mentioned in the Bible. Do you question those too?

So you are admitting there is no scripture that says David is in heaven with God and Jesus. OK, that is what I think also. I do not question other prophets because they did not commit pre-meditated adultery, and pre-meditated murder.
David will be in heaven but will not be where God and Jesus are. He will be in a lower heaven.

The lds theology of 3 different heavens is what trips you up. You can't get past it, even though it has no valid Biblical base.
I am not trying to get past it. As far as bible base, there are many scriptures that tell us about what happens in the resurrection. 1 Corinthians 15 is all about the resurrection and the bodies that we will be raised in. Some are more glorious than others, why is that? Because the closer to God and Jesus, the more glorious your body is going to be (Celestial).
3 heavens, answers a lot of questions about heaven and the people that will inherit immortality.

Paul talks about the man caught up in paradise in 2 Cor. 12:4. Rev 2:7 says the Tree of Life is located in the paradise of God. Rev 22:14 locates the Tree of Life in the New Jerusalem, which came down from heaven, and is God's new dwelling place.

That explains Rev. 2:7. It connects to paradise because the tree of life is in paradise, and paradise is where God dwells, so thank you for that.

And that's where you trip over lds theology again. Jesus said the thief will be in paradise with Him. Jesus is God. So there goes your theology, again.

OK, Jesus goes with the thief into paradise, right? And then 2 days later, Jesus leaves paradise and is resurrected. He meets Mary and what does he say to Mary. Here it is:
John 20:17 King James Version (KJV)
17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

So Jesus went to paradise with the thief, but 2 days later is telling Mary not to touch him because he has not ascended to his God. Therefore God is not in the same paradise that the thief is in. OR if Jesus is God, he obviously does not dwell in the same paradise as the thief, because he left it and got resurrected, and was ascending to his God, who obviously does not dwell in the thief paradise.

So if Jesus is God, what God is he ascending to? So whose theology is tripping up who?
 
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So you are admitting there is no scripture that says David is in heaven with God and Jesus. OK, that is what I think also. I do not question other prophets because they did not commit pre-meditated adultery, and pre-meditated murder.
David will be in heaven but will not be where God and Jesus are. He will be in a lower heaven.

I am not trying to get past it. As far as bible base, there are many scriptures that tell us about what happens in the resurrection. 1 Corinthians 15 is all about the resurrection and the bodies that we will be raised in. Some are more glorious than others, why is that? Because the closer to God and Jesus, the more glorious your body is going to be (Celestial).
3 heavens, answers a lot of questions about heaven and the people that will inherit immortality.



That explains Rev. 2:7. It connects to paradise because the tree of life is in paradise, and paradise is where God dwells, so thank you for that.



OK, Jesus goes with the thief into paradise, right? And then 2 days later, Jesus leaves paradise and is resurrected. He meets Mary and what does he say to Mary. Here it is:
John 20:17 King James Version (KJV)
17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

So Jesus went to paradise with the thief, but 2 days later is telling Mary not to touch him because he has not ascended to his God. Therefore God is not in the same paradise that the thief is in. OR if Jesus is God, he obviously does not dwell in the same paradise as the thief, because he left it and got resurrected, and was ascending to his God, who obviously does not dwell in the thief paradise.

So if Jesus is God, what God is he ascending to? So whose theology is tripping up who?

Jesus and the criminal didn't go to the same place at death, the Criminal went to heaven while Jesus went to hell and 40 days later Jesus went to heaven also
 
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Jesus and the criminal didn't go to the same place at death, the Criminal went to heaven while Jesus went to hell and 40 days later Jesus went to heaven also
Jesus and the criminal did go to the same place at death. Here is what the bible says, it is very clear.
Luke 23:43 King James Version (KJV)
43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.

"be with me in paradise". Cant get much clearer. But God the Father is not in paradise, because 2 days later he was talking to Mary and said do not touch me, I have not yet ascended to my Father and my God (meaning his God, God the Father). So God the Father is not in the spirit paradise that Jesus took the thief to.

Then Jesus reappeared to up to 500 people, after ascending to his Father and God, and 40 days later he ascended the final time in view of all his apostles. Tell me where I am wrong?
 
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Jesus and the criminal did go to the same place at death. Here is what the bible says, it is very clear.
Luke 23:43 King James Version (KJV)
43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.

"be with me in paradise". Cant get much clearer. But God the Father is not in paradise, because 2 days later he was talking to Mary and said do not touch me, I have not yet ascended to my Father and my God (meaning his God, God the Father). So God the Father is not in the spirit paradise that Jesus took the thief to.

Then Jesus reappeared to up to 500 people, after ascending to his Father and God, and 40 days later he ascended the final time in view of all his apostles. Tell me where I am wrong?

Who said Jesus went to Paradise, only the Criminal did
 
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Did the criminal say, today, Jesus, you will be with me in paradise?

Today doesn't always mean that very day

Hebrews 3:7 Therefore, as the Holy Spirit says:
Today, if you will hear His voice,

15 “Today, if you will hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion.”

Hebrews 4: “Today, if you will hear His voice,

Do not harden your hearts.”

Hebrews 5: 5 So also Christ did not glorify Himself to become High Priest, but it was He who said to Him:
“You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You.”

Zech 9:12 Return to the stronghold, You prisoners of hope. Even today I declare That I will restore double to you.
 
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Neither The Book of Mormon or Bible teach more than ONE in the past, present or future .



1. Deuteronomy 4:35,39 — Unto thee it was shown, that thou mightest know that the LORD he is God; there is none else beside him. (39) Know therefore this day, and consider it in thine heart, that the LORD he is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath: there is none else.



2. Deuteronomy 6:4 — Hear, O Israel: The LORD thy God is one LORD. [Note in Mark 12:28-34 how Jesus and a Jewish scribe he encountered understood this text.]



3. Deuteronomy32:39 — See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.



4. 2 Samuel 7:22 — Wherefore thou art great, O LORD God; for there is none like thee, neither is there any God beside thee, according to all that we have heard with our ears.



5. 1 Kings 8:60 — That all the people of the earth may know that the LORD is God, and that there is none else.



6. 2 KINGS 5:15 — And he returned to the man of God, he and all his company, and came, and stood before him: and he said, Behold, now I know that there is no God in all the earth, but in Israel; now therefore, I pray thee, take a blessing of thy servant.



7. 2 Kings 19:15 — And Hezekiah prayed before the LORD, and said, O LORD God of Israel, which dwellest between the cherubims, thou art the God, even thou alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth; thou hast made heaven and earth.



8. 1 Chronicles 17:20— O LORD, there is none like thee, neither is there any God beside thee, according to all that we have heard with our ears.



9. Nehemiah 9:6 — Thou, even thou, art LORD alone; thou has made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host, the earth, and all things that are therein, the seas, and all that is therein, and thou preservest them all; and the host of heaven worshippeth thee.



10. Psalm 18:31 — For who is God save the LORD? or who is a rock save our God?



11. Psalm 86:10 — For thou art great, and doest wondrous things: thou art God alone.



12. Isaiah 37:16,20 — O LORD of hosts, God of Israel, that dwellest between the cherubims, thou art the God, even thou alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth: thou has made heaven and earth. (20) Now therefore, O LORD our God, save us from his hand, that all the kingdoms of the earth may know that thou art the LORD, even thou only.



13. Isaiah43:10,11 — Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no savior.



14. Isaiah44:6,8 — Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. Fear ye not, neither be afraid; have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.



15. Isaiah 45:21 — Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time: who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Savior; there is none beside me.



16. Isaiah 46:9 — For I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me.



17. Hosea 13:4 — Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me; for there is no savior beside me.



18. Joel 2:27 — And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am the LORD your God, and none else: and my people shall never be ashamed.



19. Zechariah 14:9 — And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.



20. Mark 12:29-34 —And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. And the second is like, namely this, thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these. And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he: And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbor as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices. And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, Thou art not far from the kingdom of God. And no man after that durst ask him any question.



21. John 17:3 — And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.



22. Romans 3:30 — Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.



23. 1 Corinthians 8:4-6 — As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one. For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.



24. Galatians 3:20 — Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.



25. Ephesians 4:6 — One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.



26. 1 Timothy 1:17 — Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.



27. 1 Timothy 2:5 — For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.



28. James 2:19 — Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
In Matthew 3, at the baptism of Christ, God the Father is in heaven declaring his love for his Son, who is coming up out of the Jordan River. The Holy Spirit was 1/2 way between God the Father and Jesus, and eventually fell upon Jesus.

3 distinct Gods/Persons in 3 locations at exactly the same time. That is why we can say 3 separate and distinct Gods but They are also 1 God.
 
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Today doesn't always mean that very day

Hebrews 3:7 Therefore, as the Holy Spirit says:
Today, if you will hear His voice,

15 “Today, if you will hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion.”

Hebrews 4: “Today, if you will hear His voice,

Do not harden your hearts.”

Hebrews 5: 5 So also Christ did not glorify Himself to become High Priest, but it was He who said to Him:
“You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You.”

Zech 9:12 Return to the stronghold, You prisoners of hope. Even today I declare That I will restore double to you.
So we are going to debate that after Jesus said, 'today, thou shalt be with me in paradise', then they both died, but Jesus did not take the thief to paradise that day?

If you are saying that didn't happen that day, you need to tell us when that did happen, and quote a clear scripture.
 
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Who said Jesus went to Paradise, only the Criminal did

Luke 23:46 NIV
Jesus called out with a loud voice, "Father, into your hands I commit my spirit." When he had said this, he breathed his last.

Neither Jesus nor the thief were resurrected at the moment of death, but the spirit leaves the body.

The phrase “absent from the body” is found in 2 Corinthians 5:6-8. Paul states that he is confident in his eternal destiny and longs for the day when he can be “absent from the body” and be present with the Lord he loves and serves. To be “absent” from one’s body simply means to die because, at death, the spirit is separated from the body and moves into its eternal abode—either heaven with the Lord or hell, separated from God for eternity.
What does it mean to be absent from the body?
 
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Luke 23:46 NIV
Jesus called out with a loud voice, "Father, into your hands I commit my spirit." When he had said this, he breathed his last.

Neither Jesus nor the thief were resurrected at the moment of death, but the spirit leaves the body.

The phrase “absent from the body” is found in 2 Corinthians 5:6-8. Paul states that he is confident in his eternal destiny and longs for the day when he can be “absent from the body” and be present with the Lord he loves and serves. To be “absent” from one’s body simply means to die because, at death, the spirit is separated from the body and moves into its eternal abode—either heaven with the Lord or hell, separated from God for eternity.
What does it mean to be absent from the body?
You are correct. Jesus was not resurrected until 3 days after his death. His body lay in the tomb, but his spirit went with the thief's spirit to paradise, and to the spirit prison where he preached unto the spirits in prison.
Then after he was resurrected, then he went to where his Father and God was, which was in heaven.
(John 20:17). Therefore this spirit paradise and prison cannot be where God the Father dwells.
 
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