Difference between Soul and Spirit

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Well, I'd this is true, then I've been tormented horribly by my own imagination for a long time.
Apparently, you're related to Hillsage.
It's called the wires-crossed syndrome.
Or backwardation.
They can put thoughts in your mind,
but they cannot read your mind.
Kapischola?
 
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Hi, old buddy, old pal ...
Your greeting sounds disingenuous BC. Sounds kind of like unhealed wounds from a prior scripture beating IMO. I'm going with IMO, because I sure don't have any scripture discerning it to be so.

We're talking about man's spirit, not the HS.
Doesn't matter, There's no scripture anywhere saying that ANY spirit is dead.

It makes a lot of sense to me to say ...
because man's spirit is empty, he searches everywhere for the Truth (to fill his spirit).
You go to judgment with your 'sense', and I'll go with my POSTED scriptural understanding.

News Flash ... God has not revealed everything to us in Scripture!
I really don't watch the news, for the same reason this flash doesn't appeal either. I'd rather pursue spirit minded thinking backed by any scripture, as opposed to carnal minded thinking which doesn't have ANY scripture. :(

But since it's your thread, I'll just leave you with it, and your opinion. :wave::wave:
 
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Hi Hillsage.

Doesn't matter, There's no scripture anywhere saying that ANY spirit is dead.

I think there is some scripture to support the idea that we are dead if we do not have the Spirit of God living in us. Ephesians 2:1 Colossians 2:13

But since it's your thread, I'll just leave you with it, and your opinion.

It's my thread. But I do disagree with BCSenior for saying that God has ot revealed everything to us in scripture. I believe He has revealed everything we need to know for this life in his Word.
 
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Hi Hillsage.

I think there is some scripture to support the idea that we are dead if we do not have the Spirit of God living in us. Ephesians 2:1 Colossians 2:13
Hello friend of, :)

I have addressed these two scriptures before, but don't know if it was here or not. So let me just say this; I believe that these scriptures are talking about the 'death sentence' which we all obviously still have concerning our 'sinful flesh' bodies which still die 'temporally' according to 'the law of sin and death'. I liken it to the movie 'The Green Mile' where the guys on death row are considered 'dead men walking'. It has nothing to do with the living state of their spirit soul or body. It has to do with a legal judgment they are under for sins they have committed. Their living spirits are still giving animating life force to their physical bodies until the day they are executed, or their death sentence is commuted. I hope that makes sense to you. If you question what I've said, ask your question and I will unpack more deeply.

It's my thread. But I do disagree with BCSenior for saying that God has ot revealed everything to us in scripture. I believe He has revealed everything we need to know for this life in his Word.
I'm sorry, it had been a while since I'd posted on 'your' thread, and I didn't even go back to see what had been discussed, before I made my comment riling up things.

Actually I do agree with BC on this point. :eek: But just not for the same reason that he is stating in this discussion. He stands on that 'point' of 'not everything is in scripture', because he has no scripture to defend himself or his position, as I did sharing my side of this issue.

But here is 'my side' concerning why I do agree with his statement. I believe that being led of the Spirit is our higher calling, just as it was for Jesus after the baptism of John. I believe that Jesus was led of the Spirit of Christ which was in Jesus and allowed him to work out the salvation of His soul fulfilling the letter of the law. Then Jesus was led to 'do" and "say" only those things that He "saw" and "heard" the Father doing. I know that for me personally I have been 'led' by the Spirit to do things which are not in the bible. But they were very much a part of me 'knowing His spoken word' to fulfill that which He was wanting to do in me.

Hope this helps you see where I'm coming from, even if you don't agree with my opinion.
 
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But I do disagree with BCSenior for saying that God has not revealed everything to us in scripture. I believe He has revealed everything we need to know for this life in his Word.
Here's that backwardation thinking again.
We're talking about "everything", not
"everything we need to know for this life".
 
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But here is 'my side' concerning why I do agree with his statement. I believe that being led of the Spirit is our higher calling, just as it was for Jesus after the baptism of John. I believe that Jesus was led of the Spirit of Christ which was in Jesus and allowed him to work out the salvation of His soul fulfilling the letter of the law. Then Jesus was led to 'do" and "say" only those things that He "saw" and "heard" the Father doing. I know that for me personally I have been 'led' by the Spirit to do things which are not in the bible. But they were very much a part of me 'knowing His spoken word' to fulfill that which He was wanting to do in me.

I see. Thank u
 
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And I do agree with that, Hillsage. I just meant that the Bible we have provides us with a complete guideline for how we ought to live. It's not lacking anything.
:oldthumbsup: I've heard two very well known prophets (among Charismatics anyway) who both said; "The bible doesn't need to be re-wrote nearly as much as it just needs to be re-read." I believe their reasoning for saying that, went right along the lines of supporting just what you've said. I love 'the book', and I honestly don't even know how many copies I have between house, office and my pickup. Never is it more personally life giving than when I'm reading it....and it reads me.
 
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Your greeting sounds disingenuous, BC.
Sounds kind of like unhealed wounds from a prior scripture beating IMO.
Wrong on both counts!
We charismatics bent over backwards, humbly trying to give you the benefit of the doubt
(re: your confusion about the word "spirit")
... until we finally gave up, and just basically
said that you were out of your mind.
 
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1 Thessalonians 5:23
Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you entirely; and may your spirit (pneuma)and soul (psyche) and body (sōma) be preserved complete, without blame at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
 
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In John 12:27, Jesus said, "Now is my soul (psuche) troubled", and in John 13:21 it says, "Jesus was troubled in his spirit (pneuma) John 13:21

Here spirit and soul are used interchangeably. He was troubled in his soul, and he was troubled in his spirit.


Genesis 35:18 (KJV)
18 And it came to pass, as her soul was in departing, (for she died) that she called his name Benoni: but his father called him Benjamin.

James 2:26 (KJV)
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.


Here they are used also interchangeably since the body is dead when the soul departs and the body is also dead when the spirit departs.


Keep in mind there aren't any actual difference in the definitions of soul and spirit in both Hebrew and Greek and even English. They are synonyms.




soul (sol) noun
1. The animating and vital principle in human beings, credited with the faculties of thought, action, and emotion and often conceived as an immaterial entity.
2. The spiritual nature of human beings, regarded as immortal, separable from the body at death, and susceptible to happiness or misery in a future state.
3. The disembodied spirit of a dead human being; a shade....
5. A human being: "the homes of some nine hundred souls" (Garrison Keillor).
6. The central or integral part; the vital core: "It saddens me that this network . . . may lose its soul, which is after all the quest for news" (M. Kalb).

spir·it (spîr¹ît) noun
1. a. The vital principle or animating force within living beings. b. Incorporeal consciousness....
2. The soul, considered as departing from the body of a person at death.
6. a. The part of a human being associated with the mind, will, and feelings: Though unable to join us today, they are with us in spirit. b. The essential nature of a person or group.
7. A person as characterized by a stated quality: He is a proud spirit.(11)

SOUL (nephesh):
1) soul, self, life, creature, person, appetite, mind, living being, desire, emotion, passion
1a) that which breathes, the breathing substance or being, soul, the inner being of man
1b) living being
1c) living being (with life in the blood)
1d) the man himself, self, person or individual
1e) seat of the appetites
1f) seat of emotions and passions

SPIRIT (ruach)
1) wind, breath, mind, spirit
1a) breath
1b) wind
1c) spirit (as that which breathes quickly in animation or agitation)
1c1) spirit, animation, vivacity, vigour
1c2) courage
1c3) temper, anger
1c4) impatience, patience
1c5) spirit, disposition (as troubled, bitter, discontented)
1c6) disposition (of various kinds), unaccountable or uncontrollable impulse
1d) spirit (of the living, breathing being in man and animals)
1d1) as gift, preserved by God, God's spirit, departing at death, disembodied being
1e) spirit (as seat of emotion)
1e1) desire
1e2) sorrow, trouble
1f) spirit
1f1) as seat or organ of mental acts
1f2) rarely of the will
1f3) as seat especially of moral character(13)

So in Hebrew "soul" refers to "that which breathes" and to the mind, desire, and emotions.
And "spirit" refers to "that which breathes" and the part of us which experiences emotions and is responsible for "mental acts."

Thayer's Greek words for soul (psuche) and spirit (pneuma):


SOUL (psuche):
1) breath
1a) the breath of life
1a1) the vital force which animates the body and shows itself in breathing
1a1a) of animals
1a12) of men
1b) life
1c) that in which there is life
1c1) a living being, a living soul
2) the soul
2a) the seat of the feelings, desires, affections, aversions (our heart, soul etc.)
2b) the (human) soul in so far as it is constituted that by the right use of the aids offered it by God it can attain its highest end and secure eternal blessedness, the soul regarded as a moral being designed for everlasting life
2c) the soul as an essence which differs from the body and is not dissolved by death....

SPIRIT (pneuma)
2) the spirit, i.e. the vital principal by which the body is animated
2a) the rational spirit, the power by which the human being feels, thinks, decides
2b) the soul
3) a spirit, i.e. a simple essence, devoid of all or at least all grosser matter, and possessed of the power of knowing, desiring, deciding, and acting
3a) a life giving spirit
3b) a human soul that has left the body
4) the disposition or influence which fills and governs the soul of any one
4a) the efficient source of any power, affection, emotion, desire, etc.(14)



Thus in Greek "soul" refers to the animating principle which feels, desires, and can attain everlasting life with God.
And "spirit" is also the animating principle which feels, thinks, and decides. And notice once again, the use of the word soul to define spirit (twice in fact: 2b,3b). Only #4 for spirit gives so much as a hint the two might be distinct.

Again using the Strong's:




Spirit
G4151
pneuma
pnyoo'-mah
From G4154; a current of air, that is, breath (blast) or a breeze; by analogy or figuratively a spirit, that is, (human) the rational soul, (by implication) vital principle, mental disposition, etc., or (superhuman) an angel, daemon, or (divine) God, Christ’s spirit, the Holy spirit: - ghost, life, spirit (-ual, -ually), mind. Compare G5590.

Soul
G5590
psuche
psoo-khay'
From G5594; breath, that is, (by implication) spirit, abstractly or concretely (the animal sentient principle only; thus distinguished on the one hand from G4151, which is the rational and immortal soul; and on the other from G2222, which is mere vitality, even of plants: these terms thus exactly correspond respectively to the Hebrew [H5315], [H7307] and [H2416]: - heart (+ -ily), life, mind, soul, + us, + you.



Summing up, overall the definitions of the English words and lexical entries for the Hebrew and Greek words indicate that "soul" and "spirit" are interchangeable terms, with common characteristics ascribed to both.[/quote]


Spirit: "by analogy or figuratively a spirit" and "the rational soul"
Soul: "(by implication) spirit" and "the rational and immortal soul"

Same exact meanings.



Unfortunately scripture doesn't provide any reasoning why the two have their own names or why we need two of something that is essentially two of the same thing with no provided difference between them. It's kind of like having a two headed coin, the same on both sides yet one side is not the other side per se'.
 
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Genesis 1:26
Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our (SPIRITUAL)image, according to Our (CHARACTER) likeness;

God has no body. God has no psyche /soul. God is SPIRIT (pneuma) only.

John 4:24
God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”
 
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God has no body.

How did Adam and Eve hear him walking if he has no body? Why did Moses see God's body is he has no body?

God has no psyche /soul.

Why does God say he does have a soul?

Isa_1:14 Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.

Isa_42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.

Mat 12:18 Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles.


John 4:24
God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”

Doesn't say "God is only spirit". God is a Father, a Son and a holy Spirit. Two of those aren't just spirit people.
 
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