Is it wrong for a suffering christian to wish to go to heaven soon?....

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On a separate note a persons value at any given point in time is comprised of 100s of variables
and each variable in the equation is weighted differently. Each variable would take a tremendous about of
investigating to ascertain the value of that variable. I believe this notion is absolutely necessary for
any forum topic unless that forum topic is what is the best flavor of ice cream.
 
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Philippians 1:20-24

Paul wanted to be with Christ sooner as well. I don't think this was only because of his desire to be closer to Christ but also because he suffered a lot for his mission. Paul knew what it was to suffer badly.

It isn't wrong to express feelings of wanting to die to be with Christ so that you won't have to suffer anymore. Goodness knows I've felt and probably will feel like that more times than I can count. Even Job expressed a wish that he'd never been born and he didn't even know Christ. Him saying this was not counted as a sin.

Paul also said in 2 Corinthians 5:2-4:

"For in this tent we groan, longing to be clothed with our heavenly dwelling, because when we are clothed, we will not be found naked. So while we are in this tent, we groan under our burdens, because we do not wish to be unclothed but clothed, so that our mortality may be swallowed up by life."

The burden may be many hardships; including terminal pain; but our lives and souls are in Christ's hand; so I leave the time of my departure up to Him.

Psalm also says:

"Precious in the sight of the LORD is the death of His saints."
Psalm 116:15
 
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On a separate note a persons value at any given point in time is comprised of 100s of variables
and each variable in the equation is weighted differently. Each variable would take a tremendous about of
investigating to ascertain the value of that variable. I believe this notion is absolutely necessary for
any forum topic unless that forum topic is what is the best flavor of ice cream.

May I ask why you keep posting that?
 
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May I ask why you keep posting that?

You want me to stop posting that? Do you know the meaning of this?

To put it excessively simple and concise. Only Jesus Christ can accurately measure a person's character and lifetime merit. Salvation is absolutely free. Merit is only measurable (accurately) by Jesus Christ.
 
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You want me to stop posting that? Do you know the meaning of this?

To put it excessively simple and concise. Only Jesus Christ can accurately measure a person's character and lifetime merit. Salvation is absolutely free. Merit is only measurable (accurately) by Jesus Christ.

Was just asking. It did confuse me the first couple of times as it didn't seem to have anything to do with the OP question.
May I make a suggestion? This sentence:
"Each variable would take a tremendous about of
investigating to ascertain the value of that variable."

Doesn't make sense; or did you mean: "...a tremendous amount of investigation"?

As I'm just posting as a member; it doesn't matter to me; but repeated posting of the same post is actually against the rules; it's considered spamming. Just FYI.:)
 
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Was just asking. It did confuse me the first couple of times as it didn't seem to have anything to do with the OP question.
May I make a suggestion? This sentence:
"Each variable would take a tremendous about of
investigating to ascertain the value of that variable."

Doesn't make sense; or did you mean: "...a tremendous amount of investigation"?

As I'm just posting as a member; it doesn't matter to me; but repeated posting of the same post is actually against the rules; it's considered spamming. Just FYI.:)

yeah it is supposed to be amount not about. Jesus said "when we are weak, he is strong"
Thanks for pointing that out. I put it in my signature so i don't have to keep reposting it.
 
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yeah it is supposed to be amount not about. Jesus said "when we are weak, he is strong"
Thanks for pointing that out. I put it in my signature so i don't have to keep reposting it.

That be fine. It looks better also; as it doesn't have the broken sentence problem. :oldthumbsup:
 
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A house's value is defined to be how much someone is willing to pay for it. Same with a car, a boat, whatever. You can have a mansion, with a swimming pool, perfect yard--and if no one is willing to pay for it, it has no value.

A person's value has one variable: how much someone is willing to pay for it. Jesus values you, and that makes you valued. Satan does not, and that means outside of Christ, you have no worrh. It's that simple.
 
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Was just asking. It did confuse me the first couple of times as it didn't seem to have anything to do with the OP question.
May I make a suggestion? This sentence:
"Each variable would take a tremendous about of
investigating to ascertain the value of that variable."

Doesn't make sense; or did you mean: "...a tremendous amount of investigation"?

As I'm just posting as a member; it doesn't matter to me; but repeated posting of the same post is actually against the rules; it's considered spamming. Just FYI.:)

I respect what you just said. If that quote which is now my signature offends anyone (if they know the meaning and intent) they probably aren't a follower of Christ (disciple). They could easily be a christian but not a disciple. People shouldn't be so easily offended.
 
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I'll pray for you! We shouldn't want to die, because we're serving God while we're alive. And there's nothing better.
Scripture says that "heaven" is better ...

1 Corinthians 2:9

... it is written:

“No eye has seen,
no ear has heard,
no heart has imagined,
what God has prepared for those who love Him.”
 
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Is it wrong for a suffering christian to wish to go to heaven soon? Or in other words die?

There seems to be alot of people on this forum to want to stay alive.

I would like to add the following notion:
On a separate note a persons value at any given point in time is comprised of 100s of variables
and each variable in the equation is weighted differently. Each variable would take a tremendous about of
investigating to ascertain the value of that variable. I believe this notion is absolutely necessary for
any forum topic unless that forum topic is what is the best flavor of ice cream.

That being said i don't believe having a death wish makes you a good person but it just seems like alot of the people on this forum think having a death wish is strange. To me it is not strange at all, i just want to die naturally. Questions and comments?
Paul of the Bible talked about wanting to go home to heaven but, he noted that there was still some work here for him to do.

Nothing wrong with you wanting to go home. I had lunch with an old friend from work the other day who appears to be in pretty good health and he mentioned he wants to go home to heaven and it seemed like he meant as soon as possible.

M-Bob
 
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Paul of the Bible talked about wanting to go home to heaven but, he noted that there was still some work here for him to do.

Nothing wrong with you wanting to go home. I had lunch with an old friend from work the other day who appears to be in pretty good health and he mentioned he wants to go home to heaven and it seemed like he meant as soon as possible.

M-Bob

thanks for sharing.
 
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You want me to stop posting that? Do you know the meaning of this?

To put it excessively simple and concise. Only Jesus Christ can accurately measure a person's character and lifetime merit. Salvation is absolutely free. Merit is only measurable (accurately) by Jesus Christ.
But there is no merit. It's like saying that you merit a mother ...
 
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But there is no merit. It's like saying that you merit a mother ...

Have you ever read any of Billy Graham's books? The idea of rewards in heaven is within the Pail of Orthodoxy. Why do you say there is no merit. Aren't people sometimes paid money or resources according to their productivity in the work place?
 
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On a separate note a persons value at any given point in time is comprised of 100s of variables
and each variable in the equation is weighted differently. Each variable would take a tremendous about of
investigating to ascertain the value of that variable. I believe this notion is absolutely necessary for
any forum topic unless that forum topic is what is the best flavor of ice cream.
I understood you to be saying that the context of a person's life is variable ... and affected by so many different things.

So many ... that it is not unthinkable that earthly pressures would, in some circumstances, cause one to wish to seek refuge with Christ in heaven.

Elijah did, ... and God, ultimately, carried him to heaven in a fiery chariot ...
 
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I understood you to be saying that the context of a person's life is variable ... and affected by so many different things.

So many ... that it is not unthinkable that earthly pressures would, in some circumstances, cause one to wish to seek refuge with Christ in heaven.

Elijah did, ... and God, ultimately, carried him to haven in a fiery chariot ...

As for the second part yeah i agree. As for the signature i have, see the following verses.

John chapter chapter 14

1st Corinthians chapter 3
 
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I would agree that merit is a aspect on the issue of rewards.

But you were speaking in the context of death and life ...

Was i? explain further. Where did i say that. What do you mean about death and life? Death and life can mean alot of things.
 
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