To the Churches of the Seven Continents

Tone · May 11, 2019

Okay, I woke up this morning and the first thing I did was post the following on another thread. Unfortunately, it is an old thread and so I don't believe that this material was getting the viewing I think it deserves. So, I am re-posting it here. I would like to discuss and explore the possibility that there are distinct congregations on every continent that have the characteristics of the seven churches of Revelation 1.

I know it sounds kinda trippy, but it's a true story so bear with me:

Revelation 6:14
"13 and the stars of the sky fell to the earth like unripe figs dropping from a tree shaken by a great wind. 14 The sky receded like a scroll being rolled up,and every mountain and island was moved from its place. 15 Then the kings of the earth, the nobles, the commanders, the rich, the mighty, and every slave and free man, hid in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains."

And I just woke up from a dream...someone (I won't say who I thought it was) was showing me a vision of the earth, and he was explaining the cloud cover...and all the water that surrounds the earth, and he said something like,"And all that stuff will recede really quickly" and then a very frightening thing happened...I watched everything recede and dissolve and the earth was like a charred...shriveled up ball (like a peach pit), and I couldn't look and turned away....And I remember thinking that some people believe we will be left on the earth, but I was thinking...I don't think so...only those who will be on its desolation for punishment. Then I wondered if this is why all the other planets seem to be desolated, as well...did they experience a similar thing? Anyways, then a thought just entered my head and I wondered how many continents there were...so, naturally,I googled it and this popped up on the screen:

SEE POST #3

keras · May 11, 2019

The Sixth Seal is the Lord's Day of fiery wrath, that will affect all the world, especially the Middle East region, Zephaniah 1:13-18, Ezekiel 30:1-5, +, but many people will survive it, establishing a One World Government, which we Christians will not be a part of; in our own nation of Beulah, Isaiah 62:1-5, in all the holy land area. Ezekiel 34:11-16, Isaiah 35:1-10.
Only after the Millennium, will the existing earth be renovated into the New Earth, for Eternity.

Tone · May 11, 2019

Tone said:
EPHESUS
North America
SMYRNA
South America
PERGAMUM
Europe
THYATIRA
Asia
SARDIS
Africa
PHILADELPHIA
Australia
LAODICEA
Antarctica

(Name of churches added by me)

Tone · May 11, 2019

keras said:
The Sixth Seal is the Lord's Day of fiery wrath, that will affect all the world, especially the Middle East region, Zephaniah 1:13-18, Ezekiel 30:1-5, +, but many people will survive it, establishing a One World Government, which we Christians will not be a part of; in our own nation of Beulah, Isaiah 62:1-5, in all the holy land area. Ezekiel 34:11-16, Isaiah 35:1-10.
Only after the Millennium, will the existing earth be renovated into the New Earth, for Eternity.

That was the key to my thought...as you say "all the world"--this is what led me to consider every continent.

Compare the following to post #3:

Ephesus

Smyrna

Pergamum

Thyatira

Sardis

Philadelphia

Laodicea

Any correlation...what about if we rearrange?

Tone · May 11, 2019

Ephesus (Revelation 2:1-7) -- The church known for having labored hard and not fainted, and separating themselves from the wicked; admonished for having forsaken its first love (2:4)
Smyrna (Revelation 2:8-11) -- The church admired for its tribulation and poverty; forecast to suffer persecution (2:10)
Pergamum (Revelation 2:12-17) -- The church where 'Satan's seat' or 'throne' is; needed to repent of allowing false teachers (2:16)
Thyatira (Revelation 2:18-29) -- The church known for its charity, whose "latter works are greater than the former;" held the teachings of a false prophetess (2:20)
Sardis (Revelation 3:1-6) -- The church that has a good name; cautioned to fortify itself and return to God through repentance (3:2-3)
Philadelphia (Revelation 3:7-13) -- The church steadfast in faith, that had kept God's word and endured patiently (3:10)
Laodicea, near Denizli (see Laodicean Church) (Revelation 3:14-22) -- The church that was lukewarm and insipid (to God) (3:16)

Seven churches of Asia - Wikipedia

What church would you put with what continent? Can we even say that there are churches on every continent right now?

Tone · May 12, 2019

Christianity in the United States - Wikipedia

Christianity: Christianity in Latin America | Encyclopedia.com

Christianity in Europe - Wikipedia

The Church in Asia | Commonweal Magazine

Christianity in Africa - Wikipedia

Christianity in Australia - Wikipedia

Religious Composition Of Antarctica

frogoon234 · May 12, 2019

Tone said:
Christianity in the United States - Wikipedia

Christianity: Christianity in Latin America | Encyclopedia.com

Christianity in Europe - Wikipedia

The Church in Asia | Commonweal Magazine

Christianity in Africa - Wikipedia

Christianity in Australia - Wikipedia

Religious Composition Of Antarctica

Well this is by far the wierdest approach to the first chapters of the book of Revelation. Have a great day brother.

Tone · May 13, 2019

frogoon234 said:
Well this is by far the wierdest approach to the first chapters of the book of Revelation. Have a great day brother.

Thanks, you too!

*I know it's kooky, but hey...leave no stone unturned...right...

TribulationSigns · May 13, 2019

unbiblical speculations.

frogoon234 · May 13, 2019

TribulationSigns said:
unbiblical speculations.

whats your take on the first several chapters of the book of Revelation. Most interpretations of the book of Daniel and Revelation are in fact speculation. Until Jesus comes on this forum and gives us his interpretation on these 2 books, how are we going to come to a conclusion.

TribulationSigns · May 13, 2019

frogoon234 said:
Most interpretations of the book of Daniel and Revelation are in fact speculation.

False!

Until Jesus comes on this forum and gives us his interpretation on these 2 books, how are we going to come to a conclusion.

False. Christ's interpretations are ALREADY right here in His Word that you need to seek it out with His Spirit. There are many man-made interpretations out there because they did not have the spirit of Christ to discern what God actually talked about in His Word.

TribulationSigns · May 13, 2019

frogoon234 said:
whats your take on the first several chapters of the book of Revelation.

Please be specific with what chapter and verses you wanted to know. I am not going to write a commentary on "first several chapters" of Revelation.

frogoon234 · May 13, 2019

TribulationSigns said:
Please be specific with what chapter and verses you wanted to know. I am not going to write a commentary on "first several chapters" of Revelation.

On your past 2 posts how would you prove this? You said you didn't want to write anything out. You did right. So send me a link on how to interpret the book of Revelation and the book of Daniel. Otherwise we can just agree to disagree.

Tone · May 13, 2019

frogoon234 said:
So send me a link on how to interpret the book of Revelation and the book of Daniel

Or just put a link here...I'm sure we can all use it.

TribulationSigns said:
Please be specific with what chapter and verses you wanted to know

Revelation 1 please.

Tone · May 13, 2019

TribulationSigns said:
unbiblical speculations.

Can you show how it is unbiblical?

TribulationSigns · May 13, 2019

Tone said:
Revelation 1 please.

I believe that the seven churches located in Asia (what is now Turkey) represent the Universal Church. The number seven is a number that signifies the "completeness" or whole of whatever is in view. As for example in the 7 Spirits, or 7 loaves, 7 brethren, 7 devils of Mary Magdalene, 7 seals of the book, the 7 thunders, 7 messengers and so on and so forth. So when Christ speaks to the seven churches in Revelation chapters two and three, He is ultimately addressing the whole church that existed during that era, the churches that came after, and the churches that exist today. He is demonstrating to the Universal Church the blessings of faithful obedience, and the certain judgment of the messengers of the churches that disobey. The message is, just because we are in a church or assembly of god doesn't mean that we are saved. Salvation is a product of the Spirit, not of assembly. People who are truly saved are not in continual willful lawlessness simply because they believe grace abounds.

Romans 6:15-17

"What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you."

The epistles of Revelation chapters 2 and 3 are an example both of the judgments that will come upon the church when there is a spirit of disobedience present, and of God's commanding the churches that hold fast the delivered doctrines of Christ. A church cannot be a church in name only, else God will judge it and ultimately bring it down.

Luke 6:44

"For every tree is known by his own fruit. For of thorns men do not gather figs, nor of a bramble bush gather they grapes."

Christians are known by their fruits or their works, which is the fruit of the Spirit. We can call a bramble bush a fig tree, but to really be a fig tree, the tree must correspond to its fruit. I do not believe that these messages to the 7 churches are (as some suppose) illustrating that each church is representing a chronological dispensation, or seven distinct eras of church history. I do not believe that there is any real Biblical warrant or justification for this conclusion. You can find in the message to the church at Ephesus, the commending and warning to the church today, and you can equally find in the church of the Laodicea warnings to the church today. They do not only pertain to, or represent churches in distinct periods of time. i.e., when God warns the messenger of the church of Ephesus that if he doesn't repent, he will have his Candlestick (symbolic of his church) removed out of its place, He is talking not only to the church then, but also to the church a thousand years after, and to the church existing today. He has divinely inspired this writing to a total collective or associated body and is warning them of the judgment of forsaking Him. Just as Christ would address Peter, John or Matthew and yet also be warning or encouraging the whole church or the church universal, who would read His words in the future. In other words, He, being Omniscient and inspiring the Bible, was talking to the complete church (signified by the number 7) and giving them appropriate notice. It's no coincidence that John wrote these epistles to only these "seven" churches in Asia. They are written to seven as examples for all churches that we take all might heed. So that in our arrogance, we might not think we stand, lest we fall. ..as Israel before us did.

1st Corinthians 10:10-12

"Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.
Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.
Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall."

Thus all every messenger of the church, in every era, should remember their first love, lest they fall after this same example. Likewise, when a letter in Revelation is addressed to each of the seven [aggelos] or messengers (not angels) of the churches, it does not mean that it is only for those particular messengers over 2000 years ago exclusively. But to all God's messengers of all His churches that would exist throughout the world, throughout history. When John, under inspiration of God wrote to the messenger of each church, it is understood to be the divinely inspired word of God to the messengers of the churches throughout history.

God did not talk about physical churches in Asia Minor or seven continents.

frogoon234 · May 13, 2019

TribulationSigns said:
I believe that the seven churches located in Asia (what is now Turkey) represent the Universal Church. The number seven is a number that signifies the "completeness" or whole of whatever is in view. As for example in the 7 Spirits, or 7 loaves, 7 brethren, 7 devils of Mary Magdalene, 7 seals of the book, the 7 thunders, 7 messengers and so on and so forth. So when Christ speaks to the seven churches in Revelation chapters two and three, He is ultimately addressing the whole church that existed during that era, the churches that came after, and the churches that exist today. He is demonstrating to the Universal Church the blessings of faithful obedience, and the certain judgment of the messengers of the churches that disobey. The message is, just because we are in a church or assembly of god doesn't mean that we are saved. Salvation is a product of the Spirit, not of assembly. People who are truly saved are not in continual willful lawlessness simply because they believe grace abounds.

Romans 6:15-17

"What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you."

The epistles of Revelation chapters 2 and 3 are an example both of the judgments that will come upon the church when there is a spirit of disobedience present, and of God's commanding the churches that hold fast the delivered doctrines of Christ. A church cannot be a church in name only, else God will judge it and ultimately bring it down.

Luke 6:44

"For every tree is known by his own fruit. For of thorns men do not gather figs, nor of a bramble bush gather they grapes."

Christians are known by their fruits or their works, which is the fruit of the Spirit. We can call a bramble bush a fig tree, but to really be a fig tree, the tree must correspond to its fruit. I do not believe that these messages to the 7 churches are (as some suppose) illustrating that each church is representing a chronological dispensation, or seven distinct eras of church history. I do not believe that there is any real Biblical warrant or justification for this conclusion. You can find in the message to the church at Ephesus, the commending and warning to the church today, and you can equally find in the church of the Laodicea warnings to the church today. They do not only pertain to, or represent churches in distinct periods of time. i.e., when God warns the messenger of the church of Ephesus that if he doesn't repent, he will have his Candlestick (symbolic of his church) removed out of its place, He is talking not only to the church then, but also to the church a thousand years after, and to the church existing today. He has divinely inspired this writing to a total collective or associated body and is warning them of the judgment of forsaking Him. Just as Christ would address Peter, John or Matthew and yet also be warning or encouraging the whole church or the church universal, who would read His words in the future. In other words, He, being Omniscient and inspiring the Bible, was talking to the complete church (signified by the number 7) and giving them appropriate notice. It's no coincidence that John wrote these epistles to only these "seven" churches in Asia. They are written to seven as examples for all churches that we take all might heed. So that in our arrogance, we might not think we stand, lest we fall. ..as Israel before us did.

1st Corinthians 10:10-12

"Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.

Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall."

Thus all every messenger of the church, in every era, should remember their first love, lest they fall after this same example. Likewise, when a letter in Revelation is addressed to each of the seven [aggelos] or messengers (not angels) of the churches, it does not mean that it is only for those particular messengers over 2000 years ago exclusively. But to all God's messengers of all His churches that would exist throughout the world, throughout history. When John, under inspiration of God wrote to the messenger of each church, it is understood to be the divinely inspired word of God to the messengers of the churches throughout history.

God did not talk about physical churches in Asia Minor or seven continents.

Not to say the Bible doesn't say false believers won't be in some churches, but where does it say in Revelation that some of those churches aren't christian (in the first chapters of Revelation)?

TribulationSigns · May 13, 2019

frogoon234 said:
Not to say the Bible doesn't say false believers won't be in some churches, but where does it say in Revelation that some of those churches aren't christian (in the first chapters of Revelation)?

Try to study the Covenant relationship between God and His congregation. There are always two groups of people in his earthly congregations. The Elect (Gold, Silver, and Precious Stones) and Professed believers (Hay, Wood, and Stubble), they are all builders of the congregation. Only the unfaithful builders are cast out.

And you can try to read Revelation 9:

Revelation 9:1-6 KJV
[1] And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.
[2] And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.
[3] And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
[4] And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
[5] And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.
[6] And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

See? God's congregation is made up of grass of the earth, green things, and trees which signifies MEN. But locusts are commanded to hurt only those men without the seal of God in their forehead. The Elect does have the Seal of living God, Revelation 14:1.

frogoon234 · May 13, 2019

TribulationSigns said:
Try to study the Covenant relationship between God and His congregation. There are always two groups of people in his earthly congregations. The Elect (Gold, Silver, and Precious Stones) and Professed believers (Hay, Wood, and Stubble), they are all builders of the congregation. Only the unfaithful builders are cast out.

And you can try to read Revelation 9:

Revelation 9:1-6 KJV
[1] And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.
[2] And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.
[3] And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
[4] And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
[5] And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.
[6] And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

See? God's congregation is made up of grass of the earth, green things, and trees which signifies MEN. But locusts are commanded to hurt only those men without the seal of God in their forehead. The Elect does have the Seal of living God, Revelation 14:1.

And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

How is that referring to the church or saved christians or people who were once saved?
Why not assume thats referring to non believers?

TribulationSigns · May 13, 2019

frogoon234 said:
And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

How is that referring to the church or saved christians or people who were once saved?
Why not assume thats referring to non believers?

That is why I suggested that you need to study the covenant relationship between God and his Congregation. Go check the Parable of the Wedding Feast for example. The unbelievers NEVER go into God's congregation unless they are called. The servants went out and gathered together as many as they found, BOTH bad and good, into the church (Matthew 22:9-14). But only a few of those are actually saved.

Matthew 22:14 KJV

[14] For many are called, but few are chosen.

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