President Trump laughs after audience member suggests shooting migrants

Shiloh Raven · May 10, 2019

Speedwell said:
There is the small matter of an armed revolt against the Constitution...

And how does that change what I said about the history of slavery in the United States or the fact that black people were denied civil rights and equality for 99 years after slavery was finally abolished?

grasping the after wind · May 10, 2019

JosephZ said:
That is actually the point in the video where he failed.

That was his opportunity to say something like "No, that would be wrong. This is the United States of America and we are much better than that."

If he would have school marmed in that manner would you have applauded him? Or would you have said he was being dishonest and probably used some dog whistle so his supporters understood the comment was insincere?

RichardY · May 10, 2019

Lukaris said:
Yeah, but these do not measure up to another alleged honest media reporting about Trump saying something.

For ex. Charlottesville: Trump did not say far right racists were good people but traditional southerners who are not ashamed of their overall sense of Dixie. The causes of the civil war were federalism vs confederacy neither are inherently racist. While the old confederacy was tainted with the racism of slavery, not everyone who believed in confederate government was a racist.

Yes, there isn't really a comparison.

Goes back to the founding. States Rights(Thomas Jefferson) or Federalism(Hamilton).

Plenty of slavery in China. I don't think the Mandarins particularly care what ethnicity is enslaved in work camps or factories. The legal system enforces a state of slavery through laws, and opposition to God.

RocksInMyHead · May 10, 2019

Lukaris said:
The causes of the civil war were federalism vs confederacy neither are inherently racist. While the old confederacy was tainted with the racism of slavery, not everyone who believed in confederate government was a racist.

Yes, the Civil War was caused by a conflict over states' rights - specifically states' rights to legalize slavery. That's inherently racist. I'm sure that there were some people in the South who were not racist, but I suspect that they did not support the CSA government.

Lukaris · May 10, 2019

DaisyDay said:
What?

Grammatically, your sentence says that Donald is claiming the the far right racists are traditional southerners who are not ashamed of their overall sense of Dixie, but I don't think that is what you meant to say.

Donald was speaking about the people involved in the Charlottesville march and protest, not about traditional Southerners in general.

Oddly enough, if you read the Confederacy state constitutions of the time, each one of them prominently features slavery as a right. How is that not racist or not more than merely "tainted"?

Hypothetically, the Union could have been slave holding & the confederacy abolitionist. The federalist and confederate political systems are race neutral but could also be racist.

Lukaris · May 10, 2019

PeachyKeane said:
You mean the traditional Southerners who marched in the streets next to the Neo-Nazis and Klansmen?

I mean Trump distinguished between people who have pried in Robert E. lee vs those who worship Hitler. His extended remarks,usually ignored, stressed that.

GreatLakes4Ever · May 10, 2019

Lukaris said:
I mean Trump distinguished between people who have pried in Robert E. lee vs those who worship Hitler. His extended remarks,usually ignored, stressed that.

Robert E Lee committed armed treason against his country. The only elevated position in a town square he should have received was hanging from the end of a yard arm.

PeachyKeane · May 10, 2019

Lukaris said:
I mean Trump distinguished between people who have pried in Robert E. lee vs those who worship Hitler. His extended remarks,usually ignored, stressed that.

And these people who have pride in Robert E. Lee were proudly marching alongside Nazis and Klansmen?

USincognito · May 11, 2019

JackRT said:
And Alaska.

Alaska has a spur.

USincognito · May 11, 2019

Lukaris said:
.The causes of the civil war were federalism vs confederacy neither are inherently racist. While the old confederacy was tainted with the racism of slavery, not everyone who believed in confederate government was a racist.

Can this Lost Cause mythology please just die, or not be brought up constantly? Every declaration of Secession mentions slavery. The basis of the conflict was slavery.

SoldierOfTheKing · May 11, 2019

GoldenBoy89 said:
Anyone remember when the outrage du jour for the right was Hillary's callous remarks about killing Gaddafi?

Given that the US routinely sends troops halfway around the world to kill people who never messed with the US, I can see absolutely no point in getting worked up over talk - mere talk - like this.

USincognito · May 11, 2019

GreatLakes4Ever said:
Robert E Lee committed armed treason against his country. The only elevated position in a town square he should have received was hanging from the end of a yard arm.

Actually Lee's choice to accept the magnanimous offer of peace helped save the Union. I'd reading or viewing April 1865: The Month That Saved America.

Aryeh Jay · May 11, 2019

Lee was a coward and traitor to refuse the Elected Republican President Lincoln’s offer to lead the Federal Army into the rebellious South and eliminate all the opposition to our strong Government and Republican Leader.

DaisyDay · May 11, 2019

Lukaris said:
Hypothetically, the Union could have been slave holding & the confederacy abolitionist. The federalist and confederate political systems are race neutral but could also be racist.

And in reality, the actual Confederacy broke off from the Union in large part to preserve slavery. And in reality, Donald was referring to the "Take Back the Right" marchers, not Southerners in general.

PeachyKeane · May 11, 2019

DaisyDay said:
And in reality, the actual Confederacy broke off from the Union in large part to preserve slavery. And in reality, Donald was referring to the "Take Back the Right" marchers, not Southerners in general.

'Unite the Right'.

Ana the Ist · May 11, 2019

iluvatar5150 said:
Am I the only one who reads that and thinks it's an outtake from Dr. Strangelove? My first inclination was that it was something that Jack D Ripper would say, but then I could see it coming from Dr Strangelove or Buck Turdgison, too.

Nah.

Lukaris · May 12, 2019

PeachyKeane said:
And these people who have pride in Robert E. Lee were proudly marching alongside Nazis and Klansmen?

No

Lukaris · May 12, 2019

DaisyDay said:
And in reality, the actual Confederacy broke off from the Union in large part to preserve slavery. And in reality, Donald was referring to the "Take Back the Right" marchers, not Southerners in general.

The US had the Articles of Confederation before our current Constitution. Whatever America’s flaws were, the Articles were race neutral politically. Articles of Confederation

When the US was still under the Articles of Confederation, 5 states had either started to or abolished slavery. Slave states and free states - Wikipedia

LoAmmi · May 12, 2019

Lukaris said:
The US had the Articles of Confederation before our current Constitution. Whatever America’s flaws were, the Articles were race neutral politically. Articles of Confederation

When the US was still under the Articles of Confederation, 5 states had either started to or abolished slavery. Slave states and free states - Wikipedia

Yes, because the system of confederacy in general is not about slavery, but the South's breaking away was about slavery, as we can see from the declarations of succession and the quotes from those in positions of power, such as its Vice President, that stated it was about keeping slaves.

Albion · May 12, 2019

GreatLakes4Ever said:
Robert E Lee committed armed treason against his country. The only elevated position in a town square he should have received was hanging from the end of a yard arm.

This ^ is the view that is often held by people who would benefit from better instruction in US History.

In reality, the idea that the United States were in a federation was dominant until the War. It was not until after the war that people spoke of "the United States of America, it" rather than "the United States of America, they."

And the Pledge of Allegiance, which came later also, was meant as indoctrination, almost propagandistic, by including "One Nation, Indivisible" as part of the wording, since that was a reversal of the historic view concerning the nature of the union.

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