Are nudist church services morally acceptable?

Are nudist religious services morally acceptable?

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We are talking about worshipping God in His house in the nude!
If that house of worship is at a naturist resort... why would it be any problem?
Jesus, when He appeared after His resurrection was clothed. When He taught the multitudes, He was clothed. The multitudes were themselves clothed!
Actually, Jesus left all his grave clothes behind when He was resurrected. And in fact, the most compelling explanation of why Mary Magdalene failed to recognized Jesus--assuming He was the gardener--was because he was still completely unclothed... which is exactly how the gardener would have been "dressed" (people at the time worked dirty jobs in the nude to avoid soiling the few clothes they possessed... which often was only one garment).

Yes, most people were clothed most of the time in Bible times... but not all of the time. Whenever they passed through the waters of the mikveh, they were naked in public at the public mikveh pools (The Pool of Bethesda and the Pool of Siloam, for example). For women, it was required every month after her period. Whenever people bathed, they had to do so at public bodies of water.

And if anyone was so destitute that they had sold their clothing to buy food, they may well have come to hear Jesus speak with no clothing at all. Your assertion the multitudes were always clothed when they came to hear Jesus speak is unproven and unprovable.

Furthermore, the overwhelming evidence in the Bible is that the poor's lack of clothing was a physical need--keeping warm--not a moral need (see James 2:15-16).

Clothing will never make us more acceptable to God. The lack of clothing will never make us less acceptable to God. To suggest otherwise is an insult to the blood of Christ.
When one enters a house of God, it deserves reverence, respect and full attention. How would you be able to do that with so many naked people in front of you? It just seems totally alien and un holy.
No, the house doesn't deserve the respect, God does. And God is not impressed with clothing.
  • When everyone at worship has no hat on, then having no hat on is unremarkable and immaterial.
  • When everyone at worship has no veil over their face, then having no veil is unremarkable and immaterial.
  • When everyone at worship has no shoes on, then having no shoes on is unremarkable and immaterial.
  • When everyone at worship is unclothed, then having no clothes on is unremarkable and immaterial.
You're last sentence is your best... "It just seems totally alien and un holy"

Yes, it seems so... but it is not... not alien or unholy to God, and not to those who have chosen to worship God in a place and among people for whom the lack of clothing is unremarkable and immaterial.
 
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If that house of worship is at a naturist resort... why would it be any problem?

Actually, Jesus left all his grave clothes behind when He was resurrected. And in fact, the most compelling explanation of why Mary Magdalene failed to recognized Jesus--assuming He was the gardener--was because he was still completely unclothed... which is exactly how the gardener would have been "dressed" (people at the time worked dirty jobs in the nude to avoid soiling the few clothes they possessed... which often was only one garment).

Yes, most people were clothed most of the time in Bible times... but not all of the time. Whenever they passed through the waters of the mikveh, they were naked in public at the public mikveh pools (The Pool of Bethesda and the Pool of Siloam, for example). For women, it was required every month after her period. Whenever people bathed, they had to do so at public bodies of water.

And if anyone was so destitute that they had sold their clothing to buy food, they may well have come to hear Jesus speak with no clothing at all. Your assertion the multitudes were always clothed when they came to hear Jesus speak is unproven and unprovable.

Furthermore, the overwhelming evidence in the Bible is that the poor's lack of clothing was a physical need--keeping warm--not a moral need (see James 2:15-16).

Clothing will never make us more acceptable to God. The lack of clothing will never make us less acceptable to God. To suggest otherwise is an insult to the blood of Christ.

No, the house doesn't deserve the respect, God does. And God is not impressed with clothing.
  • When everyone at worship has no hat on, then having no hat on is unremarkable and immaterial.
  • When everyone at worship has no veil over their face, then having no veil is unremarkable and immaterial.
  • When everyone at worship has no shoes on, then having no shoes on is unremarkable and immaterial.
  • When everyone at worship is unclothed, then having no clothes on is unremarkable and immaterial.
You're last sentence is your best... "It just seems totally alien and un holy"

Yes, it seems so... but it is not... not alien or unholy to God, and not to those who have chosen to worship God in a place and among people for whom the lack of clothing is unremarkable and immaterial.

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Archivist the faith and freedom article was most interesting. The Quaker’s were certianly very different. Williams penn’s dream of a community without very little central control did work very well. At least for a time. I found it quite funny how no one bothered to turn up to discuss the states affairs for mths on end. Really sent anyone bonkers who tried to do and who tried to collect extra taxes as they were generally ignored by the people’s council. Yet for 30 yrs Pennsylvania did flourish and prosper with very little taxes collected and with no monarchy, oligarchy or feudal system in place. Of course the massacres of outlying communities probably from outside influences. And the Quakers belief in no retribution to your enemies and their gradual withdrawal from the political arena eventually ended the utopian dream. But many of the ideals did shine through with the freedoms that America was to enjoy later when it became a nation
 
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Archivist the faith and freedom article was most interesting. The Quaker’s were certianly very different. Williams penn’s dream of a community without very little central control did work very well. At least for a time. I found it quite funny how no one bothered to turn up to discuss the states affairs for mths on end. Really sent anyone bonkers who tried to do and who tried to collect extra taxes as they were generally ignored by the people’s council. Yet for 30 yrs Pennsylvania did flourish and prosper with very little taxes collected and with no monarchy, oligarchy or feudal system in place. Of course the massacres of outlying communities probably from outside influences. And the Quakers belief in no retribution to your enemies and their gradual withdrawal from the political arena eventually ended the utopian dream. But many of the ideals did shine through with the freedoms that America was to enjoy later when it became a nation
I had the opportunity to attend a Quaker wedding one time. We sat in silence until the couple got up and made their promises to each other (Quakers do not swear so there were no oaths). There was no minister, all present sign the Quaker wedding certificate as witnesses.
 
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Proof? I can't take that seriously.

Also, if anyone has attended one of these and claims it wasn't for sexual reasons, I am calling that person a liar.

Well I do not engage in nudist activity, but I do not believe all who do are seeking sex.
Many conventional Churches have affairs running rampant among the congreation and leadership.
More scandals that are worse than nudity are going on
 
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Let me give you some information that you may not know...

Family-oriented Naturist (nudist) resorts have firm rules about sexual conduct at their establishments. No overt sexual activity or conversation is permitted. Violators are ejected from the resorts and permanently banned with little or no warning. Even before someone is permitted in the gate, they are actively screened with a criminal background check to ensure that no one with any sort of sexual violation history is ever permitted entry. Such a disqualification is permanent, even if the person is no longer incarcerated for their crime... or even if they never served real time.

When someone misbehaves at one resort, they are blacklisted and resorts share that information with each other, so getting blacklisted at one resort will result in a person being banned from other resorts as well.

Only family-oriented naturist resorts are permitted to be members of the American Association of Nude Recreation (AANR). I know of two of the former Executive Directors of AANR who were committed Christians... one of them a former pastor and graduate of Liberty University.

So, contrary to what you have asserted, genuine Christian (and non-Christian) nudists believe in and only practice chaste social nudity. And they only go to resorts where such chastity is the expected and enforced norm.

All of the churches or other Christian gatherings I have ever heard of have been at family-oriented resorts.

Feel free to research and verify these claims.

I have been to two nudist resorts to work, did not see crazy conduct.
I do not know why you would play beach volleyball nude or sit in grass but they were not as bad as what you see on our beaches
 
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People who are nudist,are not exobisionist, because their bodies are not always pretty.
You go to a beach,you get people who plan their lives around looking seductively posed.
Their small covering may as well be nude, there is more lust at a beach than a nude resort.
 
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Well I do not engage in nudist activity, but I do not believe all who do are seeking sex.

The few newcomers who are seeking sex don't find it, and they leave disappointed.


I do not know why you would play beach volleyball nude or sit in grass but they were not as bad as what you see on our beaches

Volleyball while nude is great. So is tennis. The freedom of movement is unsurpassed.

Dancing nude is wonderful, along with hiking and sitting in the grass.

Nude worship is...Divine! Just like Eden (without snakes).


People who are nudist,are not exhibitionist, because their bodies are not always pretty.
There is more lust at a beach than a nude resort.

Exhibitionists derive sexual pleasure by shocking people with their nudity.
No one at a nudist resort is shocked by nudity, so...no exhibitionists.

Swimsuits tantalize people, making them wonder what the covered areas look like;
Nudity reveals all, and de-mystifies it. Much more modest (in the true sense of the word).
 
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Here is a YouTube video about a church where the congregants and preacher participate in religious services while being butt naked:


Personally, I think it is morally unacceptable to have church services while in the nude. 1 Corinthians 6:19 says that our bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit. Therefore, we should not strip down naked while in the house of the Lord--or anywhere in public. That's weird!

Man, why does it always have to be old fat white people who do these things?

edit: I didn't go past 10 seconds in the video. Is this in Florida?
 
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Man, why does it always have to be old fat white people who do these things?

edit: I didn't go past 10 seconds in the video. Is this in Florida?

Because young, thin, non-white people are busy doing other things! :D

This church and resort are in Virginia (see post #7).
 
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[QUOTE="Darkhorse, post: .
Nude worship is...Divine! Just like Eden (without snakes).
Nude worship is Divine! Just like Eden
Darkhorse that’s wonderfully poetic and very true. But I’m sure that snakes are allowed to enjoy the wonderful garden as well. : )
 
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We are talking about worshipping God in His house in the nude!

Jesus, when He appeared after His resurrection was clothed. When He taught the multitudes, He was clothed. The multitudes were themselves clothed!

When one enters a house of God, it deserves reverence, respect and full attention. How would you be able to do that with so many naked people in front of you? It just seems totally alien and un holy.
I don't think any one is talking about doing that at your church.
 
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Here is a YouTube video about a church where the congregants and preacher participate in religious services while being butt naked:


Personally, I think it is morally unacceptable to have church services while in the nude. 1 Corinthians 6:19 says that our bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit. Therefore, we should not strip down naked while in the house of the Lord--or anywhere in public. That's weird!

I voted No, however it is something we should find acceptable in Sodom and Gomorrah.

Those who do not have the Love for Truth are handed over to their own imaginations.

All manner of perversities come with an addiction and a desire to promote and justify it, which only exposes it, no pun intended.
 
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I voted No, however it is something we should find acceptable in Sodom and Gomorrah.

Those who do not have the Love for Truth are handed over to their own imaginations.

All manner of perversities come with an addiction and a desire to promote and justify it, which only exposes it, no pun intended.
Wow...

You really should read through the thread a bit before you just post your opinion like this.

That is a HUGE assumption that this is a "perversity."

The fact is that where the "imaginations" are is within those who assume that the Bible forbids social nudity or that the bible treats all nakedness as shameful. And in my experience, those that assume that have very rarely demonstrated a "love for truth," for rather than making a biblical case for their position, they resort to casting aspersions or making accusations against those who dare to defend a biblically-based openness to the exposed body.

If you can make the case from the Bible that it is wrong or perverse or something that can only be "justified" by poor argument or dismissal of the Scriptures, then do so. Otherwise, you're just answering a matter before you hear it...

One could just as easily assert that if you see perversity in a person worshiping God exactly as He made them, that it "exposes" a perversity in your own heart, not the worshiper.
 
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For many people if you're not like them you're perverse. Personally I like being dressed like the lilies of the field. They are more beautiful than even Solomon dressed in his royal garments.
 
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Wow...

You really should read through the thread a bit before you just post your opinion like this.

That is a HUGE assumption that this is a "perversity."

The fact is that where the "imaginations" are is within those who assume that the Bible forbids social nudity or that the bible treats all nakedness as shameful. And in my experience, those that assume that have very rarely demonstrated a "love for truth," for rather than making a biblical case for their position, they resort to casting aspersions or making accusations against those who dare to defend a biblically-based openness to the exposed body.

If you can make the case from the Bible that it is wrong or perverse or something that can only be "justified" by poor argument or dismissal of the Scriptures, then do so. Otherwise, you're just answering a matter before you hear it...

One could just as easily assert that if you see perversity in a person worshiping God exactly as He made them, that it "exposes" a perversity in your own heart, not the worshiper.

You do not think nude fellowship would be acceptable in Sodom and Gomorrah?

My second statement is a scriptural fact, funny how many refer to scripture as an opinion when it does not sit right with them;

If you feel I miss applied the verse, then defend the verse not yourself, for the truth is our defense is it not?

The third statement I made is also an evident truth, which we all can see is evident, or at least when it doesn't apply to one's self, I am sure you would not have taken any offense if this was not being directed towards nude worship services.


As for my justification for directing these evident truths towards nude services, which the O.P. asked, What do you think? I answered the Question asked, according to my scriptural opinion.

Personally, I am into following scriptural examples of Righteousness, can you show me one place in scriptures where the saints held nude services?

I can show you where our nudity is a token of Shame, not to be boasted in, being paralleled with one's wrong being shown to them, and them having no shame.

There are only three cases in the bible where nudity was acceptable, 1) before sin entered the picture, 2) when the King (not congregation) danced before the ark, and 3) when Peter dashed to meet our Savior.

Personally I hold no shame to the naked body, we grew up in the country where the whole family would swim or bathe nude in a pond.

Hello! We happen to live in a Perverse World, in a day and age where the greater congregation is suffering more loss behind the perverse antics of religious leaders, and as I'm sure you are well aware, that the Enemies of our Sovereign Author are the members of His household.

Yes, in My opinion nude worship is neither an expedient nor an appropriate means in which to hold public fellowship, where one should be focussing in on the Word, Will, and Wisdom of our Sovereign Author, and nothing else Period.
 
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For many people if you're not like them you're perverse. Personally I like being dressed like the lilies of the field. They are more beautiful than even Solomon dressed in his royal garments.

Being dressed as a Lilly does not make you a Lilly, neither will the clothes of a beautiful person, make an ugly person beautiful.
 
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