Law of sin and death?

pinacled · May 10, 2019

Tone said:
What do you mean?

What did you mean by alef,dalet, nun?
Did you ever wonder why Yoshua son of nun accompanied Mosheh while Caleb of the tribe of yhdh lacks mention. After all were they not both honest witnesses. And then there is what is not said about the alters representing tribes. A person is only left with a future arrangement that instills further questions about garments.

The law of sin reminds me of old wine skins.
But what do I know about garments?

LoveofTruth · May 10, 2019

Mercy74 said:
The law is not based on faith but on the contrary. Faith is based on the law.

Galatians 3:12. And the law is not of faith:...”

LoveofTruth · May 10, 2019

pinacled said:
Brothers, suppose someone is caught doing something wrong. You who have the Spirit should set him right, but in a spirit of humility, keeping an eye on yourselves so that you won’t be tempted too. 2 Bear one another’s burdens — in this way you will be fulfilling the Torah’s true meaning, which the Messiah upholds. 3 For if anyone thinks he is something when he is really nothing, he is fooling himself. 4 So let each of you scrutinize his own actions. Then if you do find something to boast about, at least the boasting will be based on what you have actually done and not merely on a judgment that you are better than someone else; 5 for each person will carry his own load. 6 But whoever is being instructed in the Word should share all the good things he has with his instructor. 7 Don’t delude yourselves: no one makes a fool of God! A person reaps what he sows. 8 Those who keep sowing in the field of their old nature, in order to meet its demands, will eventually reap ruin; but those who keep sowing in the field of the Spirit will reap from the Spirit everlasting life. 9 So let us not grow weary of doing what is good; for if we don’t give up, we will in due time reap the harvest. 10 Therefore, as the opportunity arises, let us do what is good to everyone, and especially to the family of those who are trustingly faithful.

What then is the Torah(law of Christ?

With Christ in me I Love God with all my heart, and in Christ i love my neighbor as myself.

Blessings Always.

The scripture should read this way instead,

Galatians 6:2. Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.”

Not speaking of the law of Moses.

The law if Moses and the law of Christ (or the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus) are distinct

LoveofTruth · May 10, 2019

Mercy74 said:
Yeshua was made under the law, but the gentiles were subject to Grace.

Genesis 6:8. But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.”

Exodus 33:17. And the LORD said unto Moses, I will do this thing also that thou hast spoken: for thou hast found grace in my sight, and I know thee by name.”

Exodus 33:16. For wherein shall it be known here that I and thy people have found grace in thy sight? is it not in that thou goest with us? so shall we be separated, I and thy people, from all the people that are upon the face of the earth.”

Luke 2:40. And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him.”

By grace are ye saved

Tone · May 10, 2019

pinacled said:
What did you mean by alef,dalet, nun?

"Adon"...Master?

pinacled said:
Did you ever wonder why Yoshua son of nun accompanied Mosheh while Caleb of the tribe of yhdh lacks mention. After all were they not both honest witnesses.

Because he was a type of Messiah?

pinacled said:
And then there is what is not said about the alters representing tribes.

What is that?

pinacled said:
A person is only left with a future arrangement that instills further questions about garments.

Questions about changing things...laws?

pinacled said:
The law of sin reminds me of old wine skins.
But what do I know about garments?

"Etymology. A reference to the parable of Jesus of New Wine into Old Wineskins, Matthew 9:14–17, Mark 2:21–22, and Luke 5:33–39: Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved."
old wine in a new bottle - Wiktionary

Caleb was an old wineskin?

Dave-W · May 10, 2019

LoveofTruth said:
Galatians 3:28. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.”

1 Corinthians 2:16. For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.”

2 Corinthians 13:3. Since ye seek a proof of Christ speaking in me, which to you-ward is not weak, but is mighty in you.”

1 Thessalonians 4:2. For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus.”

1 Thessalonians 2:13. For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.”

Paul spoke the truth in Christ, not the cultures of men

1 Timothy 2:7. Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not )a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.”

Love of truth, have you looked at the beliefs of this folder?

Tone · May 10, 2019

Mercy74 said:
The law is not based on faith but on the contrary. Faith is based on the law.

Believe...and obey.

LoveofTruth · May 10, 2019

Dave-W said:
Love of truth, have you looked at the beliefs of this folder?

Just quoting scripture, I hope all believe scripture

visionary · May 10, 2019

Mercy74 said:
Yeshua was made under the law, but the gentiles were subject to Grace.

You make it sound like Jew and Gentile have two different relationships with God. Like Jews have no grace with God, and gentiles are lawless.

Mercy74 · May 11, 2019

LoveofTruth said:
Galatians 3:12. And the law is not of faith:...”

But the opposite or contrary is true. Faith is based on the law. The foundation or basis of faith is the law. Faith not born from the law is sin. The violation of the law is sin; anything that is not of faith is sin.

LoveofTruth said:
Genesis 6:8. But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.”

Exodus 33:17. And the LORD said unto Moses, I will do this thing also that thou hast spoken: for thou hast found grace in my sight, and I know thee by name.”

Exodus 33:16. For wherein shall it be known here that I and thy people have found grace in thy sight? is it not in that thou goest with us? so shall we be separated, I and thy people, from all the people that are upon the face of the earth.”

Luke 2:40. And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him.”

By grace are ye saved

Yeshua was made under the law, therefore the grace of G-d was upon him. Noah built the altar to worship, Noah found grace in the eyes of the L-rd. The altar, rules of worship, the law of Moses is holy and good, Moses found grace in his sight.

Mercy74 · May 11, 2019

visionary said:
You make it sound like Jew and Gentile have two different relationships with God. Like Jews have no grace with God, and gentiles are lawless.

Moses found grace, the law is holy and good. Faith is based on the law. The gentiles who have not the law; are a law onto themselves; are under grace, grace is above them beyond their reach. Paul the Pharisee, son of a Pharisee circumcised on the 8th day taught and practiced Torah law.

pinacled · May 11, 2019

LoveofTruth said:
The scripture should read this way instead,

Galatians 6:2. Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.”

Not speaking of the Mosaic law of Moses.

The law if Moses and the law of Christ (or the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus) are distinct

I hope you are not intentionally trying to insult me or the others. The term mosaic law is a divisive slur invented by elihu. An perpetuated typically by antisemitic trope users.

So Thankyou for not using the slur in the future.

LoveofTruth · May 11, 2019

pinacled said:
I hope you are not intentionally trying to insult me or the others. The term mosaic law is a divisive slur invented by elihu. An perpetuated typically by antisemitic trope users.

So Thankyou for not using the slur in the future.

That was not my intention

Just referring to scripture

“ Acts 15:5. But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.”

1 Corinthians 9:9. For it is written in the law of Moses,...”

John 7:19. Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me?”

pinacled · May 11, 2019

Tone said:
"Adon"...Master?

Because he was a type of Messiah?

What is that?

Questions about changing things...laws?

"Etymology. A reference to the parable of Jesus of New Wine into Old Wineskins, Matthew 9:14–17, Mark 2:21–22, and Luke 5:33–39: Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved."
old wine in a new bottle - Wiktionary

Caleb was an old wineskin?

Good morning,
Interesting response with Caleb being an old wine skin. That's a possible perspective considering the past history of the tribe of yhdh even till Yeshua.

The altars for tribes are mentioned yet without a list of tribes involved. One could assert it is the 12 or rather 11 arranged and encamped around the mishkan. I speak of the 12 as 11 because of the two half tribes bringing a different count.
Which will be shown later in history.
Here is a visual of the altars.
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Do you recall the tribes listed in the encampment?

pinacled · May 11, 2019

LoveofTruth said:
That was not my intention

Just referring to scripture

“ Acts 15:5. But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.”

1 Corinthians 9:9. For it is written in the law of Moses,...”

John 7:19. Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me?”

And as Yeshua said Moses gave the Torah(law). As in freely received freely given.
And who gave moses the Torah?
When the term law of Moses is used in context the people should understand in the spirit what's being said.
Similar to how Yeshua spoke of the prophets by name.
People don't infer the term prophet of Moses do they?
Of course not, because we know whose name they are speaking in.

visionary · May 11, 2019

It is true that the Law of Moses is not the Law of God. While they were introduced to the Israelis at Mount Sinai, they are two different things. There is one that is written, by God's own finger, in stone and to be written in the heart. There is one that was written by Moses, and placed on the side of the ark of the covenant. One is the Law itself, the other is the conditions, the statutes, the covenant, the judgments, etc. Together they are called Torah. One is eternal and the other is temporary and fades after Yeshua.

LoveofTruth · May 11, 2019

Dave-W said:
Love of truth, have you looked at the beliefs of this folder?

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LoveofTruth · May 11, 2019

pinacled said:
And as Yeshua said Moses gave the Torah(law). As in freely received freely given.
And who gave moses the Torah?
When the term law of Moses is used in context the people should understand in the spirit what's being said.
Similar to how Yeshua spoke of the prophets by name.
People don't infer the term prophet of Moses do they?
Of course not, because we know whose name they are speaking in.

2 Corinthians 3:6. Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.7. But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:8. How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?9. For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.10. For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.11. For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.12. Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:13.And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:14. But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.15. But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.16. Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.”

As clear as it gets to the unbiased reader

Mercy74 · May 11, 2019

LoveofTruth said:
2 Corinthians 3:6. Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.7. But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:8. How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?9. For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.10. For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.11. For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.12. Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:13.And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:14. But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.15. But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.16. Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.”

As clear as it gets to the unbiased reader

Moses put a veil over his face, so that Israel could not steadfastly look to the end of that which is abolished. Moses hid his face (Isaiah 59:2) from those who refused to obey the spirit of the law. Paul wrote letters to the church; not Moses. When Israel turn their
hearts to G-d the veil is taken away (2 Corinthians 3:16) , we would be able to witness the face of YHWH.

pinacled · May 11, 2019

LoveofTruth said:
2 Corinthians 3:6. Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.7. But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:8. How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?9. For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.10. For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.11. For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.12. Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:13.And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:14. But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.15. But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.16. Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.”

As clear as it gets to the unbiased reader

Matthew 19:8
deuteronomy 18:15
And what about the hardness of hearts do you need reminding of.
Of course the vail is taken away in Yeshua who gives His name to those who have heard and believed the Fullness of the Glory of the Lord has been revealed.
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