Rightly dividing some of Hebrews Chapter 10 (Legalists)

Ken Rank · May 7, 2019

Grip Docility said:
You have compassion for the Jews! Awesome!

I didn't use the word Jews. If you want the lesson... there were two houses or kingdoms because Israel divided. The northern Kingdom ended up in Assyria and then ultimately the nations without God in their hearts of minds... and the southern Kingdom, Judah... went into Babylon. The Jews today, are those who came out of Babylon. Israel in the nations isn't Jewish.

Grip Docility said:

The Old covenant only remains in The hearts of unbelieving Israel, while the new covenant is embraced fully by the BOC.

Do you acknowledge that the New and Ild do not mix together per all scripture?

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No, I disagree with you here, as well. First of all, a God who does not change and knows everything for all time... called the covenant at Sinai "everlasting." (see Psalms 105:8-10) That means, by definition... "without end." Second, the Hebrew word for "new" in Jeremiah 31 is chadashah. This is the verb chadash which means "renew," being used as an adjective to describe the noun "covenant." So it isn't "new covenant," it is "renewed covenant." As a second witness, Hebrews 8:8 uses kainos as "new." However, kainos means "new in regards to freshness" while nehos is "new in regards to age." Hence, in Hebrew or Greek... it is NOT 'brand new.' Things are different, law on the heart rather than stone (and so forth) but it is the same everlasting covenant being renewed through the blood of Christ.

Consistency... from the first verse of the bible to the last verse in Revelation. Grace in the OT, in the garden even (yes, I can show you)... and law in the NT. UNLESS... you read Paul through western Greek influenced English only eyes. Then... all bets are off. We are lawless, hypergrace. And we are warned over and over by Christ himself about lawlessness. Blessed are those who keep the commandments and teach others to do the same. Not blessed are those who don't do them and teach others to not do them. Well, unless your view of Paul trumps Christ, too? Respectfully...

Ken Rank · May 7, 2019

Grip Docility said:
but I do not believe they are unified here on earth.

Just to be clear... I don't believe they are either. The interesting thing about the two sticks in Ezekiel is when he takes them in one hand and makes them one... we really do have a translation error. It doesn't say "one" in his hand in Hebrew, it says, qarav. That word means "draw near." It is in the next verses when God takes them, when they become one in his hand. So perhaps we will see a drawing near of these two groups, and the way the world is coming against Judaism and Christianity I can see it happening fairly easily. But we won't see them become "one" until probably the time of the earthly reign of Messiah.

Grip Docility · May 7, 2019

Ken Rank said:
Just to be clear... I don't believe they are either. The interesting thing about the two sticks in Ezekiel is when he takes them in one hand and makes them one... we really do have a translation error. It doesn't say "one" in his hand in Hebrew, it says, qarav. That word means "draw near." It is in the next verses when God takes them, when they become one in his hand. So perhaps we will see a drawing near of these two groups, and the way the world is coming against Judaism and Christianity I can see it happening fairly easily. But we won't see them become "one" until probably the time of the earthly reign of Messiah.

Take my money!!! I agree with you, fully, brother! You speak as you do out of compassion for all of God’s children... as He died for ALL... and especially... you have the same burden for Theological error, concerning Israel, that I also have!!!!

Ha! Who’d have thunk it?

Be blessed, Brother Ken!

Grip Docility · May 7, 2019

Ken Rank said:
I didn't use the word Jews. If you want the lesson... there were two houses or kingdoms because Israel divided. The northern Kingdom ended up in Assyria and then ultimately the nations without God in their hearts of minds... and the southern Kingdom, Judah... went into Babylon. The Jews today, are those who came out of Babylon. Israel in the nations isn't Jewish.

No, I disagree with you here, as well. First of all, a God who does not change and knows everything for all time... called the covenant at Sinai "everlasting." (see Psalms 105:8-10) That means, by definition... "without end." Second, the Hebrew word for "new" in Jeremiah 31 is chadashah. This is the verb chadash which means "renew," being used as an adjective to describe the noun "covenant." So it isn't "new covenant," it is "renewed covenant." As a second witness, Hebrews 8:8 uses kainos as "new." However, kainos means "new in regards to freshness" while nehos is "new in regards to age." Hence, in Hebrew or Greek... it is NOT 'brand new.' Things are different, law on the heart rather than stone (and so forth) but it is the same everlasting covenant being renewed through the blood of Christ.

Consistency... from the first verse of the bible to the last verse in Revelation. Grace in the OT, in the garden even (yes, I can show you)... and law in the NT. UNLESS... you read Paul through western Greek influenced English only eyes. Then... all bets are off. We are lawless, hypergrace. And we are warned over and over by Christ himself about lawlessness. Blessed are those who keep the commandments and teach others to do the same. Not blessed are those who don't do them and teach others to not do them. Well, unless your view of Paul trumps Christ, too? Respectfully...

As for this post... we obviously agree to disagree on certain points... but the same blood that brings you home, brings me home, and we can talk this over all the more in Heaven!!!!

And no... absolutely not. Christ trumps Paul. But Paul’s authoritative claim is that He is specifically teaching on behalf of Jesus. That was my point.

To be real, I’ll study what you have written, and take it to heart as another way to see things.

All Love to you in the name of our blessed Messiah!

LoveofTruth · May 7, 2019

DeepWater said:
First, Hebrews are unsaved Jews.

Sorry to say but you greatly error here as we read in the book, it was written to these people

"9 But we see Jesus.."(Hebrews 2:9 KJV)

here the writer includes himself as seeing Jesus and to the one he writes to as well.

Here is your correction as clear as it can be in scripture

"Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;...6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end....
12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. 13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. 14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;"Hebrews 3:6,12,13-14 KJV)

Ken Rank · May 8, 2019

Grip Docility said:
As for this post... we obviously agree to disagree on certain points... but the same blood that brings you home, brings me home, and we can talk this over all the more in Heaven!!!!

And no... absolutely not. Christ trumps Paul. But Paul’s authoritative claim is that He is specifically teaching on behalf of Jesus. That was my point.

To be real, I’ll study what you have written, and take it to heart as another way to see things.

All Love to you in the name of our blessed Messiah!

A willingness to even entertain something so different than you have previously considered says a lot about you, regardless of what conclusion you make! The only thing I would add is that all the apostles were speaking on behalf of Yeshua. Remember, Yeshua went and called Paul specifically, individually, after the resurrection and ascension. But at the same time, Yeshua hand picked those that followed him, and they walked with him night and day for somewhere around 3 years. Then, they were given the same Spirit Paul was given. Different callings? We can argue that... but the message was plain (Matthew 4:17) and they took that, along with the stories of the works of Yeshua, out into the nations.

Be blessed and thanks for the civility. That doesn't happen much when there is disagreement.
Ken

justbyfaith · May 10, 2019

I would say that the law has a place in the preaching of the evangelist.

It is a schoolmaster to lead men to Christ (Galatians 3:24).

It has the power to convert the soul (Psalms 19:7 (kjv)).

It reveals to us that we are sinners in need of a Saviour (Romans 3:20).

I would say along these lines that the law is also written on the hearts and minds of everyone who is under the New Covenant (Hebrews 8:8-10); and that obedience to the law is the very definition of sanctification (Hebrews 10:14-17).

This is not to say that we are redeemed through law-keeping.

We are redeemed through the blood of the Lamb; and this redemption has the effect of changing us from the inside out (see 2 Corinthians 5:17).

Sin is the transgression of the law (1 John 3:4); and we are exhorted in the holy scriptures to stop sinning (1 Corinthians 15:34).

God is a God who justifies the ungodly (Romans 4:5). What this means is that our identity in Christ is that we are righteous in Him through simple faith in Him and what He did for us on the Cross. This identity cannot be messed with; it is secure even if we blow it: the securing factor being our faith in Christ; which is imputed to us as righteousness.

So then, having this identity, go and live like it is your identity. God declares you as being righteous; now go and live like it (1 John 3:7).

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