Evolution is mathematically impossible

Astrophile · May 9, 2019

OldWiseGuy said:
How many evolutionary changes must (have occurred) to produce an elephant from a single celled organism. It seems to me that just factoring generational mutations would slow the whole evolutionary process to a snail's pace with larger animals.

You should try googling on 'fastest snail'. According to The World Almanac and Book of Facts 1999, 'a large banana slug has been observed to cover 6.5 inches in 120 minutes, a speed of 22.9 micrometres per second. This amounts to 723.6 metres per year, 7200 km (0.18 of the Earth's circumference) in 10,000 years, and nearly twice the distance of the Moon in a million years. Thus, even at a literal snail's pace evolution can achieve great things in a geologically short time.

OldWiseGuy · May 9, 2019

Astrophile said:
You should try googling on 'fastest snail'. According to The World Almanac and Book of Facts 1999, 'a large banana slug has been observed to cover 6.5 inches in 120 minutes, a speed of 22.9 micrometres per second. This amounts to 723.6 metres per year, 7200 km (0.18 of the Earth's circumference) in 10,000 years, and nearly twice the distance of the Moon in a million years. Thus, even at a literal snail's pace evolution can achieve great things in a geologically short time.

But female elephants don't breed until age 10 and are in gestation for two years. That is a small mutation every twelve years. Pretty slow.

OldWiseGuy · May 9, 2019

Speedwell said:
Not especially complex, no. Just one capable of reproducing with variation. A single simple cell would do it. It would not have to be anywhere near as complex as modern single cell creatures like bacteria.

What is needed for this simple cell to "reproduce with variation"?

This article is from 2005. Can you cite a more recent one?

In search of the simplest cell

Subduction Zone · May 9, 2019

OldWiseGuy said:
I edited that last post.

That did not help at all. It is a claim that you still cannot support.

Subduction Zone · May 9, 2019

OldWiseGuy said:
But female elephants don't breed until age 10 and are in gestation for two years. That is a small mutation every twelve years. Pretty slow.

Yes, some species evolve more slowly than others. Bacteria can evolve very quickly.

Speedwell · May 9, 2019

OldWiseGuy said:
What is needed for this simple cell to "reproduce with variation"?

This article is from 2005. Can you cite a more recent one?

In search of the simplest cell

OldWiseGuy · May 9, 2019

Subduction Zone said:
Bacteria can evolve very quickly.

Into what?

OldWiseGuy · May 9, 2019

Speedwell said:

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OldWiseGuy · May 9, 2019

Subduction Zone said:
That did not help at all. It is a claim that you still cannot support.

The question is what are the requirements for evolution to occur? The answer will be my proof.

Speedwell · May 9, 2019

OldWiseGuy said:
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It's a nucleotide, the answer to your question. I thought you would like a picture of it.

Speedwell · May 9, 2019

OldWiseGuy said:
The question is what are the requirements for evolution to occur? The answer will be my proof.

The question has been answered. What are you trying to prove?

Subduction Zone · May 9, 2019

OldWiseGuy said:
Into what?

Other bacteria. What else did you expect? As I pointed out earlier, you do not understand the concept that you oppose.

Subduction Zone · May 9, 2019

OldWiseGuy said:
The question is what are the requirements for evolution to occur? The answer will be my proof.

For life to exist. I am betting that you screw up.

OldWiseGuy · May 9, 2019

Subduction Zone said:
Other bacteria. What else did you expect? As I pointed out earlier, you do not understand the concept that you oppose.

Based on what I'm reading no one understands it.

So they don't evolve into an elephant?

Subduction Zone · May 9, 2019

OldWiseGuy said:
So they don't evolve into an elephant?

No. We already have elephants. If anything is mathematically impossible it is impossible for evolution to repeat.

Bungle_Bear · May 10, 2019

OldWiseGuy said:
Based on what I'm reading no one understands it.

So they don't evolve into an elephant?

Did you evolve into your children? No.

Are your children different to you? Yes.

It really is no more complicated than that.

Tayla · May 10, 2019

John B. Andelin said:
The recent observation of molecular convergence in many species poses impossible mathematical challenges to evolution. I would be interested to know how this can be refuted...

Evolution requires God to intervene from time to time to reduce the mathematical probabilities of events occurring, so that they become possible. This intervention is invisible to scientists because they aren't looking for it.

Shemjaza · May 10, 2019

jesus316 said:
Evolution requires God to intervene from time to time to reduce the mathematical probabilities of events occurring, so that they become possible. This intervention is invisible to scientists because they aren't looking for it.

I can't imagine how scientists who study evolution and paleontology wouldn't have noticed impossible jumps.

In addition intelligent design proponents are looking for this kind of thing, but have never been able to demonstrate an example that didn't fall apart under any expert investigation.

VirOptimus · May 10, 2019

jesus316 said:
Evolution requires God to intervene from time to time to reduce the mathematical probabilities of events occurring, so that they become possible. This intervention is invisible to scientists because they aren't looking for it.

Religious belief is made possible by gnomes who whisper things in belivers ears when they sleep. Its invisible to belivers because they arent looking for them.

Speedwell · May 10, 2019

jesus316 said:
Evolution requires God to intervene from time to time to reduce the mathematical probabilities of events occurring, so that they become possible. This intervention is invisible to scientists because they aren't looking for it.

So your God is incompetent, can't design a system which will work without periodic tinkering? My God is smarter than that.

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