Who believes we are in the latter days and that the Rapture will happen in our lifetime?

TheSinningServant said:

I apologize if this question has already been asked.

I am wondering if anyone believes that we are in last days based on prophecies and why. If you do not think so, I would also like to know why you think this.

Thanks in advance!

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I believe we are in the last days, but that could mean since the time Jesus ascended to the present. We live in a different world after Christ came than before he came, and the dispensation of God's works are different between the Old Testament and the New Testament. I am most convinced by how the Scriptures word it in places like Joel, Hebrews, and other New Testament books where the term last days referred to the present time of the apostles.

You look like in your profile picture that you normally, or use to, wear glasses. Something about the face and eyes.

ViaCrucis said:

I think we need to A) understand what prophecy is and B) understand what St. John was talking about in the Revelation.

We are blessed by the words written in the Revelation because the Revelation was written as a comfort for the Church suffering oppression at the hands of an evil and oppressive state (the Roman Empire), and continues to be a comfort for God's people in every generation as we understand the victory which belongs to Jesus Christ over and against the powers, authorities, dominions, and kingdoms of this fallen world.

The Revelation isn't a prediction of events that will happen "in the end times", it is instead an unveiling, a revelation, of Jesus Christ given to John for the comfort of the seven churches which are in Asia (the original audience of the text) and, more broadly, to the whole Church. The revelation given is that Christ is the victor over sin, death, hell, and the devil; and that all the tyrannical, fallen, and oppressive systems and powers of this world--fueled as they are by the devil--ultimately don't amount to anything. For Christ died, and is risen, and He is coming again. So the Beast for all his rage is still nothing more than a meager emperor of a now long and gone empire. Rome once ruled the world (well, the western civilized world anyway), but no longer. Nations come and nations go; empires rise and empires fall. But the word of the Lord endures forever.

-CryptoLutheran

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Agreed. Well said

Jonaitis said:

I believe we are in the last days, but that could mean since the time Jesus ascended to the present. We live in a different world after Christ came than before he came, and the dispensation of God's works are different between the Old Testament and the New Testament. I am most convinced by how the Scriptures word it in places like Joel, Hebrews, and other New Testament books where the term last days referred to the present time of the apostles.

You look like in your profile picture that you normally, or use to, wear glasses. Something about the face and eyes.

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But there are prophecies which say that Israel would be destroyed and become a persecuted people around the world, and then at a later time, the Jews will return to Israel. At the time of the Apostles, those prophecies were not fulfilled. The first prophecy was fulfilled in 70AD when Jerusalem was destroyed and the Jews were either massacred or scattered around the world. The constant killing and persecution of Jews happened during the Crusades, Muslim countries, Russia, and Germany. In 1948, the Jews returned to their homeland and Israel became an independent state again, fulfilling another prophecy.

So, the world is in a much better position today than the days of the Apostles to see the Rapture take place and then the other prophecies in Revelation fulfilled very quickly afterward.

Oscarr said:

But there are prophecies which say that Israel would be destroyed and become a persecuted people around the world, and then at a later time, the Jews will return to Israel. At the time of the Apostles, those prophecies were not fulfilled. The first prophecy was fulfilled in 70AD when Jerusalem was destroyed and the Jews were either massacred or scattered around the world. The constant killing and persecution of Jews happened during the Crusades, Muslim countries, Russia, and Germany. In 1948, the Jews returned to their homeland and Israel became an independent state again, fulfilling another prophecy.

So, the world is in a much better position today than the days of the Apostles to see the Rapture take place and then the other prophecies in Revelation fulfilled very quickly afterward.

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The Old Covenant is the basis for Israel's existence, and that covenant no longer remains in existence. Their whole identity, their promises, everything pertaining to their existence was founded in the covenants of promise (Abraham, Moses, and David). But as covenants of promise, not the promised covenant itself, they remained for so long until the promise was revealed and that was Jesus Christ who brought a new and better covenant with new and better promises. Our existence and identity is built on the New Covenant, all that the Old Testament looked forward to.

It is a faulty point many make, I believe, in suggesting that the 1948 statehood is a fulfillment of any prophecy regarding Israel. If it was a fulfillment, they would be converted to God, since that is the consequential action that follows such prophecies. Most Jews today are more or less atheistic or agnostic, and they still don't follow the Mosaic Law any better than the Jews in the first century.

Jonaitis said:

The Old Covenant is the basis for Israel's existence, and that covenant no longer remains in existence. Their whole identity, their promises, everything pertaining to their existence was founded in the covenants of promise (Abraham, Moses, and David). But as covenants of promise, not the promised covenant itself, they remained for so long until the promise was revealed and that was Jesus Christ who brought a new and better covenant with new and better promises. Our existence and identity is built on the New Covenant, all that the Old Testament looked forward to.

It is a faulty point many make, I believe, in suggesting that the 1948 statehood is a fulfillment of any prophecy regarding Israel. If it was a fulfillment, they would be converted to God, since that is the consequential action that follows such prophecies. Most Jews today are more or less atheistic or agnostic, and they still don't follow the Mosaic Law any better than the Jews in the first century.

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The first part of the prophecy was that the Jews would return to their homeland. Their conversion to Christ is a fulfillment yet to come. One Bible teacher taught that this would come after the Rapture, when the AntiChrist will gather the armies of the world to attack Israel and Jesus will return, after the resurrection of the Christian dead, with His saints, to defend Israel and defeat those armies. Then He will set up His throne on the throne of David and rule the nations for 1000 years. During that time, there will be mass conversions in Israel as the gospel is presented to them. Then, after the 1000 year reign, the second resurrection of the Non-Christian dead will take place and these will be directed to the Judgment.

Oscarr said:

The first part of the prophecy was that the Jews would return to their homeland. Their conversion to Christ is a fulfillment yet to come. One Bible teacher taught that this would come after the Rapture, when the AntiChrist will gather the armies of the world to attack Israel and Jesus will return, after the resurrection of the Christian dead, with His saints, to defend Israel and defeat those armies. Then He will set up His throne on the throne of David and rule the nations for 1000 years. During that time, there will be mass conversions in Israel as the gospel is presented to them. Then, after the 1000 year reign, the second resurrection of the Non-Christian dead will take place and these will be directed to the Judgment.

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See, here is the same problem though:

How can Christ literally reign on the throne of David over the nation of Israel, when the throne is regulated under the Old Covenant? It is essentially inseparable from the Old Covenant. This would mean that Jesus would have two kingdoms: the kingdom of Israel and the kingdom of heaven; that he would regulate one throne according to the whole Mosaic Law, while not the other since it is spiritual. This would conflict with the distinguishable and discontinuity of the two covenants. He would implement civil laws, when they aren't applicable anymore. He would implement ceremonial laws, when they aren't applicable anymore. If he sits literally in the same position David sat, he would do what David would do according to the Old Covenant.

I've understood the prophecies of Jesus sitting on David's throne as referring to the true Israel under a new dispensation and covenant. He is king of the Jews, who believe in him, and all those grafted from the nations. His kingdom is not earthly, it is not of this world, it is from above, it is spiritual, it is eternal, and the believing Jews are the remnant of the true Israel that Christ reigns over. Since we are grafted in, he reigns over Israel and all the nations that are in him. David's throne, in this sense, changes its nature by the change of the covenant. We all are the true Israel that Jesus sits enthroned over.

Jonaitis said:

See, here is the same problem though:

How can Christ literally reign on the throne of David over the nation of Israel, when the throne is regulated under the Old Covenant? It is essentially inseparable from the Old Covenant. This would mean that Jesus would have two kingdoms: the kingdom of Israel and the kingdom of heaven; that he would regulate one throne according to the whole Mosaic Law, while not the other since it is spiritual. This would conflict with the distinguishable and discontinuity of the two covenants. He would implement civil laws, when they aren't applicable anymore. He would implement ceremonial laws, when they aren't applicable anymore. If he sits literally in the same position David sat, he would do what David would do according to the Old Covenant.

I've understood the prophecies of Jesus sitting on David's throne as referring to the true Israel under a new dispensation and covenant. He is king of the Jews, who believe in him, and all those grafted from the nations. His kingdom is not earthly, it is not of this world, it is from above, it is spiritual, it is eternal, and the believing Jews are the remnant of the true Israel that Christ reigns over. Since we are grafted in, he reigns over Israel and all the nations that are in him. David's throne, in this sense, changes its nature by the change of the covenant. We all are the true Israel that Jesus sits enthroned over.

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Before Saul, David, Solomon, the only three human kings to ever rule over all Israel - God Himself was the King who ruled over them, through the prophets. 1Samuel12:12.

12 And when ye saw that Nahash the king of the children of Ammon came against you, ye said unto me, Nay; but a king shall reign over us: when the LORD your God was your king.

Samuel btw anointed Saul and David as king. Nathan anointed Solomon. Samuel and Nathan both prophets. The false prophet will anoint the prince who shall come as king of Israel - which is what makes the person the Antichrist.
For a while.

The Mosiac law is called that because the children of Israel received God's laws through Moses. Side note: I had asked about the law of Moses to the Jews at Messiah Truth, Judaism site, the calling of it as that, and that is what they informed me.

Jesus said (paraphrased) that every aspect of the law would remain in effect until it had served its purpose. What comes to mind, as one example, is the death penalty for picking up sticks on the Sabbath. Which I think was because some were observing the Sabbath during their time in the desert; others taking advantage, gathered sticks for fire wood with less completion, making it easier, but they were not doing what God said, to give everyone a day of rest.

In John 12:12-15, Jesus is hailed as the King of Israel, coming in the name of the Lord, and the verses cite Zechariah 9:9, riding on a donkey.

In Matthew 23, the religious hierarchy in Jerusalem, having rejected Jesus - Jesus told them that Jerusalem would not see him again until they say (of him) blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord.

At the crucifixion, Jesus was mocked, but it makes it clear that Christ pertains to being the King of Israel.

Mark 15:32 Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him.

It is David's Throne, the throne of a man, here on earth, that Jesus will rule from because in order for man to be saved, the Lord entered the world, becoming a man, adding to His being God, to die on the cross to take away our sins, and conquering death in His resurrection. Which is why it has to be David's throne, but rightfully God's throne as well.

Jesus, The Son of Man, The Son of God, when He returns, will rule and reign from David's Throne with a rod of iron over the nations (kingdoms). As all of the kingdoms of this earth become subjugated to the Kingdom of God.

During the great tribulation, the house of Israel will turn to Jesus and embrace him and the new covenant God made for them in Jeremiah 31, which He will write His laws upon their hearts, which is to keep the spirit of the law.

Looking forward at that future, in Ezekiel 39:21-29, is Jesus Himself speaking, having returned to earth, and recounting the past 2000 years which the Jews were scattered to the nations for rejecting him as their king, denying that He is God - the rightful King of Israel, and all of creation.

Ultimately, forthcoming, about 3 years following Gog/Magog, Israel, the Jews, will turn to Jesus, and God will pour out His Spirit on them.

Ezekiel 39:28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.

29 Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.

TheSinningServant said:

I am wondering if anyone believes that we are in last days based on prophecies and why. If you do not think so, I would also like to know why you think this.

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In my view, there are no yet-future prophecies waiting for fulfillment except those pertaining to the new heavens and new earth.

Also, as an amillennial, I don't believe in the rapture.

jesus316 said:

In my view, there are no yet-future prophecies waiting for fulfillment except those pertaining to the new heavens and new earth.

Also, as an amillennial, I don't believe in the rapture.

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Aren't you going to be surprised when you find yourself going up one day!!!

"For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise. After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord" (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17).

This is the Scripture that the Pre-Tribs provide as the basis for their belief.

I believe that it is only the believers, filled with the Holy Spirit who are providing the restraint that stops the out of control development of evil, and the revealing of the AntiChrist and the Beast. Once all the believers are gone from the earth, the cataclysmic events will happen very rapidly after that.

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Jonaitis said:

I believe we are in the last days, but that could mean since the time Jesus ascended to the present. We live in a different world after Christ came than before he came, and the dispensation of God's works are different between the Old Testament and the New Testament. I am most convinced by how the Scriptures word it in places like Joel, Hebrews, and other New Testament books where the term last days referred to the present time of the apostles.

You look like in your profile picture that you normally, or use to, wear glasses. Something about the face and eyes.

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The earthly generation of the apostles has passed. The life expectancy of a man in 1900 was 47. In Roman times it may have been shorter. Paul may have honestly thought he was in his last days.

Psalm 90:4 (WEB - Public Domain) For a thousand years in your sight are but as yesterday when it is past, or as a watch in the night.

2 Peter 3:8 (WEB - Public Domain) But don’t forget this one thing, beloved, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

TheSinningServant said:

I apologize if this question has already been asked.

I am wondering if anyone believes that we are in last days based on prophecies and why. If you do not think so, I would also like to know why you think this.

Thanks in advance!

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I believe every day is the rapture, because if you don't and are caught in sin at the end of it all, well, that's not a good thing.

Also, we all could just die, at any time, it happens , and to them, it is the end.

Always be prepared.

FutureAndAHope said:

The speed that the world is turning away from faith to sin makes me think that it is possible with in our life time that Jesus will return. In Daniel, it seems likely that the anti Christ will be a homosexual (not having the desire of woman), the speed that the homosexual movement is gaining momentum in the earth makes me think this.

However as for a rapture, I do not believe that the rapture is a biblical way to describe what happens in the end times. As the beast, or anti Christ persecutes the church, and if there is no church (because they are raptured) how could he persecute them. It is my strong opinion that there will be no rapture. The rapture described in the bible is Jesus return after the tribulation.

Rev 12:17 Then the dragon became furious with the woman and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus. And he stood on the sand of the sea.

Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

Dan 11:33-35 And the wise among the people shall make many understand, though for some days they shall stumble by sword and flame, by captivity and plunder. When they stumble, they shall receive a little help. And many shall join themselves to them with flattery, and some of the wise shall stumble, so that they may be refined, purified, and made white, until the time of the end, for it still awaits the appointed time.

Mar 13:9-13 “But be on your guard. For they will deliver you over to councils, and you will be beaten in synagogues, and you will stand before governors and kings for my sake, to bear witness before them. And the gospel must first be proclaimed to all nations. And when they bring you to trial and deliver you over, do not be anxious beforehand what you are to say, but say whatever is given you in that hour, for it is not you who speak, but the Holy Spirit. And brother will deliver brother over to death, and the father his child, and children will rise against parents and have them put to death. And you will be hated by all for my name's sake. But the one who endures to the end will be saved.

Mat 24:9 “Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and put you to death, and you will be hated by all nations for my name's sake.

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Kind of an ironic, pessimistic worldview for someone with the screen name "FutureAndHope".

Lost4words said:

Many millions of people believe they have been shown 'visions'. Every day someone new has a 'vision'.

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That is your problem not mine isn't it ? If you can't distinguish the difference then its on you. If you were in touch with the Spirit you would know we are in the final hours so to speak.

I can hear it now, some evil Jewish King poo pooing what Samuel or Ezekiel said with a like minded statement. That is why most of the Prophets were murdered. If the Kings had been in touch with God, like David was, then they would have accepted the "Word of the Lord".

It always amuses me when people make these type of statements... Taking this to its logical conclusion then we can never trust anything by anybody so Sata wins, its ILLOGICAL THINKING Brother. We are of the Spirit, and we are supposed to be able to tell what is of the Spirit and what isn't, else Satan can just flood the zone with lies and God could never reach us with Hs truths, but we have the Holy Spirit that LEADS US unto all truths. We just have to understand that and learn how to work in the Spirit. Unless you do that there can be NO TRUTHS REVEALED.

QUOTE="Mary Meg, post: 73933814, member: 418702"]

It does say that we are the hands and feet (and eyes, and nose) of the Body. It does say that each part has a purpose and a calling of service. What is that, except a call to do the Lord's work in this world?[/QUOTE
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The Lord's Work .....
as in "do not take part in the works of darkness, rather expose them " ?
like that ?

I just noticed /again/ this is in the endtimes section....

Long time ago, I noticed the "end" in the Bible - what is written -

People do NOT get better. Society does NOT get better. The world, the flesh, does NOT get better. All that is of the world is destined to die.

QUOTE="FutureAndAHope, post: 73934490, member: 231174"]The speed that the world is turning away from faith to sin makes me think that it is possible with in our life time that Jesus will return. In Daniel, it seems likely that the anti Christ will be a homosexual (not having the desire of woman), the speed that the homosexual movement is gaining momentum in the earth makes me think this.

However as for a rapture, I do not believe that the rapture is a biblical way to describe what happens in the end times. As the beast, or anti Christ persecutes the church, and if there is no church (because they are raptured) how could he persecute them. It is my strong opinion that there will be no rapture. The rapture described in the bible is Jesus return after the tribulation.

Rev 12:17 Then the dragon became furious with the woman and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus. And he stood on the sand of the sea.

Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

Dan 11:33-35 And the wise among the people shall make many understand, though for some days they shall stumble by sword and flame, by captivity and plunder. When they stumble, they shall receive a little help. And many shall join themselves to them with flattery, and some of the wise shall stumble, so that they may be refined, purified, and made white, until the time of the end, for it still awaits the appointed time.

Mar 13:9-13 “But be on your guard. For they will deliver you over to councils, and you will be beaten in synagogues, and you will stand before governors and kings for my sake, to bear witness before them. And the gospel must first be proclaimed to all nations. And when they bring you to trial and deliver you over, do not be anxious beforehand what you are to say, but say whatever is given you in that hour, for it is not you who speak, but the Holy Spirit. And brother will deliver brother over to death, and the father his child, and children will rise against parents and have them put to death. And you will be hated by all for my name's sake. But the one who endures to the end will be saved.

Mat 24:9 “Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and put you to death, and you will be hated by all nations for my name's sake.[/QUOTE
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Either Yahushua Returns in our lifetime, as also ALL the Apostles believed and eagerly sought in THEIR lifetimes,
OR
we will go to Him, first in sleep, then in resurrection. (we all die unless He Returns before that --- but remember everyone who refuses to serve the beast is executed,
so as written, will the son of man find faith on earth when He Returns ? )
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The disciples in the first century not only believed truly that Yahushua Messiah would return soon , in their lifetimes,
some of them were tempted to believe that He had returned already ! And they were corrr=ected from that error (that He had already returned).

They were taught by Yahushua or by Messengers of Yahuweh , and believed wholeheartedly that Yahushua would return in their lifetime... and Yahuweh and Yahushua did not say otherwise - rather that Yahushua
would return for all those WHO EAGERLY ARE WATCHING AND WAITING FOR HIM ! (every day basically, for 2000 years, ever since He ascended) .....


Don't let the "movement" of gross abominations "make you think" anything - let
everything
every thought, every hope, every truth,
be
realized and accepted from our Father in Heaven, always in perfect harmony with all of TORAH/ all of His Word.

Yes, HIS WORD, says the sexual abominations will increase greatly, AND every other type or kind of abominations also - and hate, and violence (against all God's People),
and greed, and rebellion, and disobedience to parents, etc etc etc ....

Yes, the world is full of wickednesses overflowing - as written even all the leaders of the nations have committed fornication (spiritually) with the enemy ,
thus showing they are opposed to Yahuweh and they hate Yahushua and they hate all of the Ekklesia (everyone who loves the truth, everyone who is born again).

Tone said:

More on this please.

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Tone, firstly, this is all well presented in the book, Vengeance to Comfort, by Dr. Don G. Pickney, but to give you somewhat of an excerpt of it, starting with Isaiah 60:1-11 (Amp); (1) ”Arise [from spiritual depression to a new life], shine [be radiant with the glory and brilliance of the LORD]; for your light has come, And the glory and brilliance of the LORD has risen upon you. [Zec 8:23]
(2) ”For in fact, darkness will cover the earth And deep darkness will cover the peoples; But the LORD will rise upon you [Jerusalem] And His glory and brilliance will be seen on you. [Isa 60:19-22; Mal 4:2; Rev 21:2-3]
(3) "Nations will come to your light, And kings to the brightness of your rising. [Isa 2:2-3; Jer 3:17]
(4) "Lift up your eyes around you and see; They all gather together, they come to you. Your sons will come from far away, And your daughters will be looked after at their side.
(5) "Then you will see and be radiant, And your heart will tremble [with joy] and rejoice Because the abundant wealth of the seas will be brought to you, The wealth of the nations will come to you. [Psa 119:32]
(6) ”A multitude of camels [from the eastern trading tribes] will cover you [Jerusalem], The young camels of Midian and Ephah; All those from Sheba [who once came to trade] will come Bringing gold and frankincense And proclaiming the praises of the LORD. [Mat 2:11]
(7) ”All the flocks of Kedar will be gathered to you [as the eastern pastoral tribes join the trading tribes], The rams of Nebaioth will serve you; They will go up with acceptance [as sacrifices] on My altar, And I will glorify the house of My honor and splendor.
(8) ”Who are these who fly like a cloud And like doves to their windows?
(9) "The islands and coastlands will confidently wait for Me; And the ships of Tarshish will come first, To bring your sons from far away, Their silver and gold with them, For the name of the LORD your God, For the Holy One of Israel because He has glorified you.
(10) ”Foreigners will build up your walls, And their kings will serve you; For in My [righteous] wrath I struck you, But in My favor and grace I have had compassion on you.
(11) ”Your gates will be open continually; They shall not be shut day or night, So that people may bring to you the wealth of the nations-- With their kings led in procession.

Now, some within the Church may ascribe this passage to present day Israel, but reading the scripture in context with the corresponding New Testament passages, we know that through Isaiah God was speaking of the Church, the new Israel, the Body of Christ, the now present family and nation of God.

There is much more to this than just one point in scripture. As we see here:
Isa 61:1-6 KJV “The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; (2) To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, [Isaiah places a conjunction where Jesus closed the book] and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn; (3) To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness. (6) But ye shall be named the Priests of the LORD: men shall call you the Ministers of our God: ye shall eat [Heb. Consume; devour] the riches [Heb. riches, wealth, goods, substance, means, men and other resources] of the Gentiles, and in their glory shall ye boast yourselves.”

As I attempt to explain to anyone that asks about this, reading these scriptures, and in fact reading this book by Dr. Pickney still may not give one a more full comprehension of that which God is presently revealing to this generation of believers, unless some additional concepts are clarified for the present day believer.

For instance, most of the Church truly believes that Satan (Lucifer) is the god of this world, or in one form or another that he is the reigning heir until the battle of Armageddon. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Again, as Dr. Pickney has written a book called, The God of This World, in it he so lucidly explains that Satan has not authority in the earth -NONE! God created the earth, so he owns it. He created Adam and Eve and made them stewards of the Garden (a conferred authority, not owners of it), and when they sinned against God’s command through the instigation of the serpent, the delegated authority of the gardeners didn’t pass from them to Satan simply because they were ejected from the Garden. God still maintain full ownership, legal right that is, to all of his creation.

Therefore, if God is still in ownership, still in command, still in control, the only control and power that Satan would have over a Christian would be if one were to give him in some fashion or form that control and power. For the non-christian, that is another story. As Jesus stated, they do their father’s works and can only find a way out of that by accepting Jesus as their Savior and subsequently the renewal (rebirth) of their spirit, thus, making them a new creation man.

The whole of these teachings and gradual progressive revelation of this comes from the message and revelation of The Day of Jehovah Tsaba, initially and primarily taught by Dr. Don Pickney, and which is now becoming much more known, understood, and accepted as certain events begin to unfold and manifest.

For some reference, see TheDayOfJehovahTsaba.org; JehovahTsaba.org; and DonPickneyMinistries.org as a starter.

KyleSpringer said:

I like it but I don’t agree that we should retreat to not addressing the unbiblical proposition, which requires us to be more stable in dividing his word from the world philosophies and naturalistic mentality/carnality, so we lean on Jesus, praise the Father!

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Which 'unbiblical' proposition ? There are so many here/ there/ everywhere - way too many to "address", or even way too many to expose !

TheSinningServant said:

I apologize if this question has already been asked.

I am wondering if anyone believes that we are in last days based on prophecies and why. If you do not think so, I would also like to know why you think this.

Thanks in advance!

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I believe the disciples were living in the last days:

Peter believed he was living the last days and that the end of all things was at hand.

Acts 2:15-17 For these people are not drunk, as you suppose, since it is only the third hour of the day.b But this is what was uttered through the prophet Joel:“‘And in the last days it shall be, God declares, that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh,

1 Peter 4:7 The end of all things is at hand; therefore be self-controlled and sober-minded for the sake of your prayers

Paul believed he was living at the end of the ages

1 Corinthians 10:11 Now these things happened to them as an example, but they were written down for our instruction, on whom the end of the ages has come.

John believed it was the last hour

1 John 2:18 Children, it is the last hour, and as you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come. Therefore we know that it is the last hour

James believed the coming of the Lord was at hand and the judge was standing at the door (notice standing is present tense greek verb). James must have been seeing the signs of the olivet discourse to make such a bold statement that Jesus is standing at the door.

James 5:8-9 You also, be patient. Establish your hearts, for the coming of the Lord is at hand. not grumble against one another, brothers, so that you may not be judged; behold, the Judge is standing at the door.

Matthew 24:33 So also, when you see all these things, you know that he is near, at the very door.

TheSinningServant said:

........ I am wondering if anyone believes that we are in last days based on prophecies and why.....

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I do because even Ray Charles could see it.

If I may only suggest, yes you are always to be prepared. Yes prophecy should be watched for, but do you have fear of something? We want Yeshua / Christs return right?
The time is right more so than ever before, but would you have Him wait even if it causes you pain to be in this existence, just so He can get another?
People use excuses to not live this life that you have been given, Yeshua is life! Yeshua is the living Torah!
Fear not child of God! He is with you this very minute, its great to question, wonder, express your feelings. But don't let what seems like and end rob you of what is just the beginning if you fear.

Do you know what a kinsman redeemer is? Read Ruth
Do you know about the city's of refuge and how it pertains to you today?
There are so many studies it boggles the mind if you need calm.

However if you are just asking the question do I believe we are in the end times? Yes from the day one is born the end times are coming to each body.

The end times - Does that change how you live? Does it change your prospective or outlook on life?
Does it change how you worship?
Does it change how you will go out into the world to make disciples and baptize in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit?

Hopefully the answer is no because you already are, does it change your urgency no because every soul counts whether it be the last one or the first it all counts in the twinkling of the eye.

Love, live life, spread joy and happiness and most of all the Word.