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Are you saying that neither Obama or Clinton, or in fact any other President use Exe. Priv. to obstruct a Congressional investigation?
It doesn't matter.
 
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Are you saying that neither Obama or Clinton, or in fact any other President use Exe. Priv. to obstruct a Congressional investigation?

No. I agree with you that no President since Nixon has done anything even remotely like what Trump is doing now. I was simply pointing out that every President in my lifetime has released their tax returns so that particular 'crisis' was created by Trump.
 
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I just find it odd that after the president said this report showed “complete and total exoneration,” and when asked if the American public have a right to see it, he said "Let them see it," he now doesn't even want congress to see it in its entirety.......
So why the change of heart? Why would he do that?
Politics.
Leaders have the power and the options to do what they do, without explaining.

Note that 'normal' everyday citizens were direly alerted (lawyer on youtube years ago) to never talk to the police , regardless of circumstances (not as a witness, observer, or even person present)
because EVERYTHING they say can (and will?) be used against them some time in the future.

People do not need a "reason", a "why" nor "why not", to not talk to the police - it might often be best not to, for no reason at all. No reason stated, that is.

Almost anyone might do whatever they think to do , or want to do, to 'protect?' themselves.... regardless if they ever do anything wrong or not.

Politicians are trained all their lives to do that. And train the public "politically correct".

That does not make it right, but "everyone" does it. (no, I don't. I speak out against the works of darkness in religious, political, social, or neighborhood locations,
regardless of "politics". Like the early believers, we (Anabaptists) have nothing to do with politics - it doesn't control our wills nor our choices - we simply obey Yahuweh)
 
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QUOTE="JosephZ, post: 73930662, member: 396496"]Trump always claims to be the best at everything and while that turns out not to be true in just about every single case, when it comes to loosing money, he really is the best. He had the most losses for the years 1985 to 1994 than any other taxpayer in the United States. I wonder if he will tweet about that claim to fame anytime soon?

To put the amount he lost in perspective:

$1,000,000,000 loss over ten years =

$100,000,000 loss per year =

$8,333,333 loss per month =

$1,923,077 per week =

$273,972 per day =

$11,415 per hour =

Trump loosing $190.25 every minute of every day for ten years![/QUOTE
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pocket change compared to pharmakeia and the roman groups worldwide.
(100 million per year compared to trillions per year - not even pocket change!)
 
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Trump's biggest fear is that the moment he releases his current tax returns they will be open to scrutiny and his "questionable" write offs will get public attention. Then the IRS will be forced to go after him. We'll also find out who's been lending him money recently and it can't be any banks from the West because he's burned them all too many times. It's almost certain that Russia has been bankrolling his business for the last decade.

eh, we're probably well past the statue of limitations on most of his more creative endeavors, at least for criminal charges. I seem to recall something in the first NYT piece about there being some opportunity for state-level regulators in NY to go after back taxes, but that was about the extent of it.
 
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eh, we're probably well past the statue of limitations on most of his more creative endeavors, at least for criminal charges. I seem to recall something in the first NYT piece about there being some opportunity for state-level regulators in NY to go after back taxes, but that was about the extent of it.

Anything beyond seven years is untouchable at this point, but I'm sure his "creative accounting" didn't stop seven years ago. :) You're probably right about his most "creative" stuff being beyond the statute of limitations, but there must be a reason he's so reluctant to release his current stuff.

I want to know who's been bankrolling him for the past decade. After his casino fiascos, no western banks wanted anything to do with him anymore. I suspect that most of his recent funding came from Russia which would explain why he's so reluctant to criticize Putin, and so deathly afraid of releasing his recent tax returns.
 
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I was simply pointing out that every President in my lifetime has released their tax returns so that particular 'crisis' was created by Trump.

I never paid attention to the tax returns of any President. I never understood the reasoning behind it.

Quite honestly? I always wanted to see returns on Congress so I can see how they enter with a modest income, and leave office very rich.
 
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I never paid attention to the tax returns of any President. I never understood the reasoning behind it.

Quite honestly? I always wanted to see returns on Congress so I can see how they enter with a modest income, and leave office very rich.

I've never been interested in the tax returns of any President until now either. However, after watching Trump refuse to condemn Russia for their meddling in our election, and ignoring/belittling his own intelligence agencies with respect to Russian meddling, while publicly defending Putin, I can't help but wonder why.

The most logical explanation is that Russia has been Trump's primary financial backer for years, and Trump is financially beholden to Putin. That would tend to explain why he's been so unwilling to confront or criticize Russia, and why he's so interested in removing sanctions against Russian oligarchs. I can't think of any other reason why any President wouldn't have vocally criticized Russia for interfering in our election process.

I agree with you about Congress by the way.
 
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Executive privilege seems like an odd claim here. The reason for the redactions was (supposedly) to protect ongoing cases and possibly the privacy of people caught up in a case. I'd think that would be the way to make a case.

But executive privilege is for things that are internal to the president's functioning, e.g. people giving him advice. It's hard to see a formal report of a special counsel, most of which has already been released, falling into that category.
 
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Incidentally, the assertion of executive privilege seems to be officially temporary, pending a final determination of what to release.

Also, someone said that the unredacted report was made available to a few congress members in a restricted setting. Wikipedia said what was made available was a less redacted version, but not the whole thing. Democrats didn't take advantage. They would be forbidden from sharing contents with anyone else, even other congress people. It's not so clear what good seeing it that way would be.
 
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On Trump's losses, here's what the NYT article says: "Mr. Trump was able to lose all that money without facing the usual consequences — such as a steep drop in his standard of living — in part because most of it belonged to others, to the banks and bond investors who had supplied the cash to fuel his acquisitions. And as The Times’s earlier investigation showed, Mr. Trump secretly leaned on his father’s wealth to continue living like a winner and to stage a comeback."

I haven't seen specific statements that Russians propped him up, but you'd want to see detailed data more recent than the NYT story. which was up to 1994. It's certainly possible, but the NYT has looked at what's available (some stories are more recent than 1994). I'd think they would have spotlighted any Russian connection. Maybe it's there, and no one has gotten to see the data.

Initially I thought his connection with Putin made something like that probable. But watching his behavior over time, he seems to admire quite a wide variety of tyrants, while devaluing our traditional allies. I think his involvement with Putin is consistent with this, so there may not need to be any other explanation.
 
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I believe you can move losses around from entity to entity for tax purposes. You'd normally assume that someone running a loss every year would be impossible, as they'd go bankrupt. But I'm not so sure that it's impossible to show losses every year on your income tax while still having your actual cash balance be in reasonable shape.
 
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I'm kind of tired over the tax return thing. This is another fishing expedition. The IRS would have already done something if there was anything Trump did to violate the tax laws.
Donald doesn't seem to share your confidence on the matter, given all the effort he's put into blocking their release.
 
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Are you saying that neither Obama or Clinton, or in fact any other President use Exe. Priv. to obstruct a Congressional investigation?
I wouldn't say "any other President" exactly. For example, Nixon tried. It didn't work out so well for him.
 
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Initially I thought his connection with Putin made something like that probable. But watching his behavior over time, he seems to admire quite a wide variety of tyrants, while devaluing our traditional allies. I think his involvement with Putin is consistent with this, so there may not need to be any other explanation.

You do have a point, and you might be correct. I still suspect that Putin has been bankrolling Trump's company for the last decade or so, and Trump has probably helped Putin launder money and avoid sanctions.

Following the Money: Trump and Russia-Linked Transactions From the Campaign to the Presidential Inauguration - Center for American Progress
 
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Anything beyond seven years is untouchable at this point, but I'm sure his "creative accounting" didn't stop seven years ago. :) You're probably right about his most "creative" stuff being beyond the statute of limitations, but there must be a reason he's so reluctant to release his current stuff.

I want to know who's been bankrolling him for the past decade. After his casino fiascos, no western banks wanted anything to do with him anymore. I suspect that most of his recent funding came from Russia which would explain why he's so reluctant to criticize Putin, and so deathly afraid of releasing his recent tax returns.

It's none of you business. He has already been cleared of the Russian stuff.

The IRS would have already done something by now if his tax returns were out of order.
 
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