Transgender Ideology is “Totalitarian”

FireDragon76 · May 6, 2019

dms1972 said:
I think the ideology and narratives surrounding this whole transgender issue do need to be discussed and where necessary critiqued, without making the topic any more toxic.

I have read a fair bit on the subject and its not as always as simple as either the religious right, or for that matter the trans-lobby want to make it. The religious right sometimes seem to see only the sin issue, they don't seem to always take into account the possibility of trauma, or lack of a secure base that may have led to gender dysphoria in the first place. The trans-lobby also err by refusing to recognise these potential factors in childhood development, and the possiblity of them being understood and resolved in some instances through psychotherapy. I think they also err when they hit out at psychologists who want to proceed with more caution, who recognise the possibility of desistance, and who don't want to start kids down the line of transition unnecessarily.

The issue for the present seems to be how to do justice to the complexity of the factors that may be involved in the issue of gender dsyphoria and how the debate can be made less toxic.

The guy in this case seems to perhaps have been over-zealous in the lengths he went to point out to people Oger's biological sex.

Major medical and mental health organizations do not consider being transsexual a mental illness. Not everyone who is transsexual experiences gender dysphoria.

Original Happy Camper · May 6, 2019

FireDragon76 said:
Typical argument from fundamentalist legalists. Take responsibility for your own interpretations of Scriptures.

Nothing you say endears me to the SDA religion, BTW. It just confirms what I suspect, you use the Bible to manipulate people rather than to have trust in Christ for salvation.

NO sir /ma'am I do not manipulate only quote every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD.Christ said "If you love me keep my commandments" there in lies salvation

Original Happy Camper · May 6, 2019

FireDragon76 said:
Major medical and mental health organizations do not consider being transsexual a mental illness. Not everyone who is transsexual experiences gender dysphoria.

What does GOD consider it, Sin maybe?

dms1972 · May 6, 2019

FireDragon76 said:
I don't understand the divine image in crudely biological terms. If we encountered a race of space aliens on another world that had only one gender, I would not assume they could not possibly also be created in the divine image.

I also don't understand Genesis 1-2 as some kind of prescriptive anthropology, necessarily. The ideal state post fall is conforming to the image of Christ ,in which there is no male or female. That means those things simply don't have the importance that your average evangelical thinks they do.

Seems kind of speculative and irrelevant to mention here, seeing as we don't know any such space aliens to actually exist. And I am not intending the divine image should be understood in crudely biological terms. What the Bible speaks of as creation in God's Image is a very rich concept, with many facets. But we still remain either male or female on the biological plane, even after we become christians.

Gender isn't simple to speak about, we can't let the secular world define it for us, we should take our understanding of it as christians from Scripture and those christians gifted with wisdom to speak on the issue. Leanne Payne I believe was one such writer / teacher.

FireDragon76 · May 6, 2019

dms1972 said:
I am not sure what way you think that Galations 3:28 has bearing on the matter of transgenderism, it is refering to all who are in Christ being "sons of God." (v 27)

That doesn't have anything to do with our gender identity, though. If somebody believes themselves to be a woman (and they were assigned male gender at birth), then there is nothing stopping them from having faith in Christ because of that, and that is all that my church teaches justifies a person.

FireDragon76 · May 6, 2019

Original Happy Camper said:
What does GOD consider it, Sin maybe?

The Bible never discusses the topic.

dms1972 · May 6, 2019

Sorry Firedragon while it commendable that you seek to be accepting of all sorts of people, you are listening far too uncritically to some of the transgender narratives circulating.

dms1972 · May 6, 2019

FireDragon76 said:
Major medical and mental health organizations do not consider being transsexual a mental illness. Not everyone who is transsexual experiences gender dysphoria.

Its not true that opinions are all on that line, there are also medical professionals who disagree

Puberty Is Not a Disorder

These changes within many of the mental health organisations are mainly politically driven, it really isn't that long ago that psychiatrists were helping people with these things, not affirming them in them.

FireDragon76 · May 7, 2019

dms1972 said:
Sorry Firedragon while it commendable that you seek to be accepting of all sorts of people, you are listening far too uncritically to some of the transgender narratives circulating.

People always come before narratives, that's how I see it. But that applies as much to me as it does to a transperson. The inner life of another person is a sacred space and I have no right to presume upon it.

Aldebaran · May 7, 2019

FireDragon76 said:
People always come before narratives, that's how I see it. But that applies as much to me as it does to a transperson. The inner life of another person is a sacred space and I have no right to presume upon it.

You don't have to presume upon the inner life of anybody to know that there are many worldly philosophies that are not of God, and are perversion of God's creation. We should know better than to endorse them. Having children get sex reassignment because a boy thinks he's a girl and vice versa isn't even good parenting.

Aldebaran · May 7, 2019

FireDragon76 said:
It's not your job to "deal" with other people, that's God's job.

How are you defining "deal"?

FireDragon76 · May 7, 2019

Aldebaran said:
You don't have to presume upon the inner life of anybody to know that there are many worldly philosophies that are not of God, and are perversion of God's creation. We should know better than to endorse them. Having children get sex reassignment because a boy thinks he's a girl and vice versa isn't even good parenting.

You pretend to know God's mind... I do not. All I know is my neighbor whom I am called to love.

Aldebaran · May 7, 2019

FireDragon76 said:
You pretend to know God's mind... I do not. All I know is my neighbor whom I am called to love.

1 Corinthians 2:16 says that we do have the mind of Christ. We also have the scriptures, which is God's message to us.
But again, we're not talking about judging individuals, but rather ideologies, like the topic of the thread says.

JCFantasy23 · May 7, 2019

Saw a news story today - Father subject to immediate arrest if he doesn't use male name or male gender when referring to daughter - Father Subject to 'Arrest Without Warrant' if He Refuses to Call Daughter by Male Name

Aldebaran · May 7, 2019

JCFantasy23 said:
Saw a news story today - Father subject to immediate arrest if he doesn't use male name or male gender when referring to daughter - Father Subject to 'Arrest Without Warrant' if He Refuses to Call Daughter by Male Name

Sounds pretty Totalitarian to me! Now teenagers can get their parents arrested if the parents don't obey their kids by surrendering to the reasoning of the teenager.
I hope America wakes up to what's happening in this world rather than simply embracing it and thinking it's the way to go.

anna ~ grace · May 7, 2019

We are male if we are born male. We are female if we are born female.

A very, very small percentage of the population is physically intersexed at birth.

Everything else is a reflection of feelings, longings, an emotional rejection of our body, and an emotional struggle against truth.

anna ~ grace · May 7, 2019

I get it. I do. Sometimes we don't "feel like" what we are. That is a battle. And feelings can be so, incredibly strong. But, as Christians, do we give in / conform to our feelings, and live out what we feel, or do we fight, humble ourselves, obey our God, and live out our biological (read birth) sex, as He has asked us to?

Do we follow Christ and crucify the flesh, or reject Him and modify our flesh to suit our wants? That is the struggle. And the choice.

kcnalp · May 8, 2019

dms1972 said:
I don't see Creation as continuous but rather as a past event, that is what I understand the Bible to be saying (for on the seventh day God rested from his work of creation). I don't think saying that entails adopting a deist conception of God who wound it up. Because in Christ, God re-entered His creation. But God set in place the orders of creation including Male and Female, he doesn't continually create, but still sustains the creation. What we have are generations of the original creation, not new types of human gender. Because creation is now fallen, things are not now as they were meant to be. In Christ God is now redeeming and restoring creation. Creation, Fall, Redemption, Restoration.

Exodus 20:11
11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day.

kcnalp · May 8, 2019

Aldebaran said:
Sounds pretty Totalitarian to me! Now teenagers can get their parents arrested if the parents don't obey their kids by surrendering to the reasoning of the teenager.
I hope America wakes up to what's happening in this world rather than simply embracing it and thinking it's the way to go.

Another sign of "the last days".

"disobedient to parents"

2 Timothy 3:1-2
1 But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come:
2 For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

Aldebaran · May 9, 2019

kcnalp said:
Another sign of "the last days".

"disobedient to parents"

2 Timothy 3:1-2
1 But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come:
2 For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

How about this one?
Matt 24:9
10And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.

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