3 People Groups Going into the Lake of Fire

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You know.. I have two kids. If someone that loves me came up.. took one tossed in the fire or talked to that Child that came from me not them and told them how lost they were or going to be based on ONLY their personal belief. As they take one of ME KIDS toss them in the fire and then .. try to tell me the LOVE ME? And then...use MY words at me..that some how gave them a right?

"Going into the fire" those 3 groups. We again and forgive me have to talk truth. So.. 3 groups going into the (forgive me Father) fire. Is that what it says about each of these 3 groups? From what I read and is what I believe.. you believe John 3 16 or not. Or you simply called on His name.. we can say ..GOD help me ..GOD and say nothing else and in just that.. know how sorry we are ..to mean so many things. Then there are those that are blind.. lived in sin all there lifes.. yet never once heard the truth. I said before.. in the year 2000.. in the city of New York there are JEWISH people that have NEVER heard of this JESUS

What verse are we going to toss at them?

See I too know/believe what God has said/written will happen. But WHO are we talking about? Are they your creation are they your kids? So easy to talk about someone else's kids creation and burning lost forever. Knowing we never saw their heart never opened His books.. the great white throne has not happen yet.

Your taking HIS word and applying it to how you personally believe. See what was written was from a GOD through those who were Apostles who had the right the authority.. sorry.. I know them..heard of them.. but who are you? Sorry your no one. Your just some man of a billion reading the bible and telling others how you personally believe and telling others they better listen to YOUR WARNINGS...did not you say that in the past? Your warnings? It was a GOD talking that can see the heart and spoke in love in mercy in grace in truth. Its not your word to toss around as you see fit. How long did you pray seek about this before you posted? Who above you did you talk to? Or just shoot from the hip did we?

Not to boast at all.. but right from the start what hit so hard and hurt.. of which I know you never meant to but was the words ..."going into the lake of fire"...holy JESUS that hurts... people..real people that a GOD MADE will be lost.. people YOU never seen .. where a GOD that made them will never ever ever see them hear them feel them.. He alone is the judge.

Try something.. ask pray to see people through His eyes. I did.. very young.. I prayed asked to please show me people through your eyes... I pray it happens fast for you.. for me He answered 15years later. The tiny so tiny part of Him He shared was.. I never saw lost or saved.. He was crying ...crying so very hard for not ONE knew how much He loved them..

Who draws people to the Father? Everything you post say.. has not weight..forgive me. See the fruits of the spirit.. 1st Cor 13..so forth so on. The 12 walked in this every moment. They LOVED the people 1st..it was the sweet sweet Holy spirit talking..not them. This is only you..sorry. If I have in some way offended..forgive me
 
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The soul of every man lasts forever. The Lake of Fire lasts forever and ever. The souls and resurrected bodies of everyone who's name is not in the Lambs book of life will be thrown in there, where their body/soul/spirit will be engulfed in flames forever. Their resurrected body will never burn up. Their soul will never burn up. Satan, the AntiChrist, the False Prophet, all the demons, and anyone whose name is not written in the Lambs Book of Life will be tormented FOREVER and EVER. They will always exists in torment for "ages of ages". The smoke of their torment goes up "forever and ever" (Revelation 14:11).

Both Heaven and the Lake of Fire last forever...eternity. The same Greek word is used for both Eternal Life and Eternal Punishment (Matthew 25:46) aiōnion . Jesus said Blasphemy of the Spirit cannot be forgiven in this age OR the next. This age is temporal. The next Age is Eternal. But the the smoke of their torment in the Lake of Fire goes up "Eternally eternal".

Great so I see the mark of the beast is eternal torment. I don't have a clue what the mark of the beast is. As I don't remember it being explained in the book of Revelation. Do you find scripture that explains the mark of the beast? I know it's 666 but what is that.
 
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Great so I see the mark of the beast is eternal torment. I don't have a clue what the mark of the beast is. As I don't remember it being explained in the book of Revelation. Do you find scripture that explains the mark of the beast?

Yes. It's Revelation 13:16-18

Here are some pictures of the Mark of Beast as John saw it from Jesus Christ and wrote it on the original scroll of Revelation. This was interpreted as 600+60+6 = 666. But it was originally written as seen below:

YOUTUBE: "Walid Shoebat Mark of the Beast"
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Great so we don't have to worry about that yet.

We don't have to worry about it at all, but that Mark is already in the World....I have already met a man who had those symbols in their right hand, and he was demon possessed and still claimed to be a "christian minister" but he was passing out Koran's (hmm). He told my friend "Satan gave me this Mark and Jon's just jealous he can't get it." But God showed me the Truth about him and protected me from the Mark of the Beast.

Do not commit suicide. This is always Satan's will....you will die doing Satan's will and will end up where Satan is going....

Also, if something could at all be of God, BE VERY Careful about calling it "Satanic" unless you are 100% sure from Scripture. It is better to accidentally call Satan the Holy Spirit than to call the Holy Spirit Satan.

Other than that, abstain from eating blood, or strangled foods, and from sexual immorality.

Do these things and you will do well.
 
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We don't have to worry about it at all, but that Mark is already in the World....I have already met a man who had those symbols in their right hand, and he was demon possessed and still claimed to be a "christian minister" but he was passing out Koran's (hmm). He told my friend "Satan gave me this Mark and Jon's just jealous he can't get it." But God showed me the Truth about him and protected me from the Mark of the Beast.

Sounds like delusion to me. But I assure you what he had is not the mark of the beast. If you think it is then you didn't probably understand the scripture you quoted. It said that without the mark no one may buy or sell.

Do not commit suicide. This is always Satan's will....you will die doing Satan's will and will end up where Satan is going....

Interesting that you feel the need to direct me on the issue . Why is that?

Also, if something could at all be of God, BE VERY Careful about calling it "Satanic" unless you are 100% sure from Scripture. It is better to accidentally call Satan the Holy Spirit than to call the Holy Spirit Satan.

The Holy Spirit has visited me and I am well. I am indwelt with the Holy Spirit always as the scriptures affirms to us. 1 Corinthians 6:19

Other than that, abstain from eating blood, or strangled foods, and from sexual immorality.

Do these things and you will do well.

Again interesting that you feel the need to express that to me. Why is that?
 
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Sounds just delusional to me. But I assure you what he had is not the mark of the beast. If you think it is then you didn't probably understand the scripture you quoted.



Interesting that you feel the need to direct me on the issue . Why is that?



The Holy Spirit has visited me and I am well. I am indwelt with the Holy Spirit always as the scriptures affirms to us. 1 Corinthians 6:19



Again interesting that you feel the need to express that to me. Why is that?

Peace out.
 
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“But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.” (Revelation 21:8)

(1) -- the cowardly
This group represents at least 3 sub-groups:
(A) - People who are afraid of accepting and/or
confessing Jesus (for a variety of reasons)
(B) - BACs who fall away from the faith during the great persecution of Christians
(Matthew 24:13, Matthew 10:22, Mark 13:13)
(C) - BACs who submit to taking the deadly mark of the beast during the time of the antichrist
(Revelation 13:7-17, Revelation 14:9-10,
Revelation 20:4, and also 2:10, 12:11)

(2) -- the unbelieving
This group obviously are those who
do NOT believe in Jesus Christ.
(However, God does say that those who are disobedient are proving their unbelief:
Hebrews 3:18-19, 4:3-6, 4:11).

(3) -- the abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars
This group represents a long list of sinners, especially habitual sinners.
And this group represents at least 2 sub-groups:
(A) - All non-believers who are habitual sinners.
(B) - All BACs who choose to be habitual sinners
----- (Many NT verses teach they are NOT
-- --- on the path to eternal life.)
Please note
Those in (A) can become BACs.
Those in (B) can repent (stop sinning) and
get back on that narrow path to eternal life.

Please note
Group (3) does NOT include BACs who commit the occasional sin (and then repent), for these
are co-operating with the precious Holy Spirit,
as per Romans 8 …
● walking according to the Spirit (8:1, 8:4)
● living according to the Spirit (8:5)
● spiritually minded (8:6)
● in the Spirit (8:9)
● putting to death the flesh >
in order to live spiritually (8:13)
● being led by the Spirit >
proving they are sons of God (8:14)
● suffering with Him >
to be joint heirs with Christ (8:17)
$$$ These BACs are slaves of obedience,
leading to righteousness (Romans 6:16)
... and are slaves of righteousness,
leading to holiness (Romans 6:19).
This is all part of being sanctified unto holiness!
Born again, means born from above, an act of God, Who is omniscient. He knows the future. He would not save someone He knows will later be lost. His sheep are His, sealed and No one, no power, no principality, no not even the individual can alter what is ordained, called, justified, sanctified, PREDESTINED, ETERNALLY SECURE. NO ONE CAN SNATCH US OUT OF THE FATHER'S HAND.
There are those who believe they are Christian, go to Church, yet are not born again. They are as Jesus described in the sower of the seed parable, like seed that is scattered on rocky or shallow soil; it grows somewhat, but has weak roots and so when trials and tribulations come, it withers and dies (falls away from faith). They were never true Christians to begin with, never had a spiritual transformation.
Our seed was planted in fertile soil and is nourished with the Word and grows to bare fruit
By their fruit you will know them.
 
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“But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.” (Revelation 21:8)

(1) -- the cowardly
This group represents at least 3 sub-groups:
(A) - People who are afraid of accepting and/or
confessing Jesus (for a variety of reasons)
(B) - BACs who fall away from the faith during the great persecution of Christians
(Matthew 24:13, Matthew 10:22, Mark 13:13)
(C) - BACs who submit to taking the deadly mark of the beast during the time of the antichrist
(Revelation 13:7-17, Revelation 14:9-10,
Revelation 20:4, and also 2:10, 12:11)

(2) -- the unbelieving
This group obviously are those who
do NOT believe in Jesus Christ.
(However, God does say that those who are disobedient are proving their unbelief:
Hebrews 3:18-19, 4:3-6, 4:11).

(3) -- the abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars
This group represents a long list of sinners, especially habitual sinners.
And this group represents at least 2 sub-groups:
(A) - All non-believers who are habitual sinners.
(B) - All BACs who choose to be habitual sinners
----- (Many NT verses teach they are NOT
-- --- on the path to eternal life.)
Please note
Those in (A) can become BACs.
Those in (B) can repent (stop sinning) and
get back on that narrow path to eternal life.

Please note
Group (3) does NOT include BACs who commit the occasional sin (and then repent), for these
are co-operating with the precious Holy Spirit,
as per Romans 8 …
● walking according to the Spirit (8:1, 8:4)
● living according to the Spirit (8:5)
● spiritually minded (8:6)
● in the Spirit (8:9)
● putting to death the flesh >
in order to live spiritually (8:13)
● being led by the Spirit >
proving they are sons of God (8:14)
● suffering with Him >
to be joint heirs with Christ (8:17)
$$$ These BACs are slaves of obedience,
leading to righteousness (Romans 6:16)
... and are slaves of righteousness,
leading to holiness (Romans 6:19).
This is all part of being sanctified unto holiness!

the good news for the Christian is that the habitual sinner who is a Christian will be put out of his or her misery (killed) before he/she can over do his/her welcome. Jesus is always faithful and doesn't let any of his sheep fall away. Jesus will make sure that person repents and then he'll send that Christian to his/her maker (kill him/her). This is very Biblical. Yet another NOSAS/OSAS forum topic. I can't wait :)
 
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Born again, means born from above, an act of God, Who is omniscient. He knows the future. He would not save someone He knows will later be lost.
This is all very exciting, but you have missed
out on the NT verses which warn of beleivers
in the churches LOSING eternal life, and
other believers GAINING eternal death.

Here's another way to look at it ...
Why would there be so many warning verses
to unsaved people in the churches?

For example ...
There are many "IF" conditional NT verses,
such as: IF you continue to remain faithful,
you will receive what you hope for in Christ.
 
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This is all very exciting, but you have missed
out on the NT verses which warn of beleivers
in the churches LOSING eternal life, and
other believers GAINING eternal death.

Here's another way to look at it ...
Why would there be so many warning verses
to unsaved people in the churches?

For example ...
There are many "IF" conditional NT verses,
such as: IF you continue to remain faithful,
you will receive what you hope for in Christ.

Are you suggesting there were "murderers" in those churches, that was one of the warning messages! And then let's consider all the warning as you posted:

“But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”

Those sins appear fairly evil. Are our churches today full of those types of people? I wouldn't think so.
 
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David didn't fear death so why does the Christian fear the multiple Goliaths that are in their life? If a Christian accepts Jesus Christ then I believe at some point in that christians life they will be called by Jesus to face dea
This is all very exciting, but you have missed
out on the NT verses which warn of beleivers
in the churches LOSING eternal life, and
other believers GAINING eternal death.

Here's another way to look at it ...
Why would there be so many warning verses
to unsaved people in the churches?

For example ...
There are many "IF" conditional NT verses,
such as: IF you continue to remain faithful,
you will receive what you hope for in Christ.

I disagree. But yes Jesus Christ's sacrifice on the cross and Jesus Christ's resurection from being dead is very exciting. Perseverence of the Saints (escaping eternal suffering) is not as complicated as some people make it. When a christian focuses on Jesus Christ's sacrifice and Jesus Christ's resurrection from being dead that christian will overcome hell by the willful (keyword willful) power of the living God.

I agree the gospel of Jesus Christ is very exciting! See you in heaven buddy.
 
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(1) -- the cowardly
This group represents at least 3 sub-groups:
(A) - People who are afraid of accepting and/or
confessing Jesus (for a variety of reasons)
(B) - BACs who fall away from the faith during the great persecution of Christians
(Matthew 24:13, Matthew 10:22, Mark 13:13)
(C) - BACs who submit to taking the deadly mark of the beast during the time of the antichrist
(Revelation 13:7-17, Revelation 14:9-10,
Revelation 20:4, and also 2:10, 12:11)

You really have an axe to grind with this saved-and-lost, works-salvation stuff! You just can't let off promoting these false doctrines! Yikes!

How do you know what sorts of cowards are in view in the passage from Revelations 21:8? In the Greek, the word you render "cowardly" (deilos) is actually a term broader in its meaning, including "fearful" or "timid" and, by implication, "faithless." The Jamieson, Fawcett and Brown Bible Commentary makes a very excellent observation about this term:

Verse 8. the fearful -- Greek, "the cowardly," who do not quit themselves like men so as to "overcome" in the good fight; who have the spirit of slavish "fear," not love, towards God...

If the JFB Bible Commentary is correct, "cowardly" includes those who resort to a motive of fear in their relationship with God - just like the SAL (saved-and-lost) crowd do.

Your B-type cowards are not described in the verses you offered from Matthew and Mark. All the verses that you cited state is that those who persevere in the faith to the end shall be saved. Of course, these verses don't stand alone, unqualified by other passages that tell us that those God has elected to salvation He does not relinquish (John 10:27-29; Hebrews 13:5; Romans 8:29) and that He takes personal responsibility for seeing to it that the redemptive work He has begun in His children is brought to completion (Philippians 1:6; 1 Thessalonians 5:23-24) In light of these verses, your type-B saved-and-lost cowards don't exist.

Your type-C cowards also don't exist, they are a fiction; for no true born-again child of God would take the Mark of the Beast. Only "tares," false converts to the faith, would do such a thing. There is certainly no verse in Scripture which indicates that genuine Christians will be guilty of taking the Mark. In fact, the only ones mentioned in Scripture who take the Mark are clearly unsaved. So, again, your type-C cowards are purely imaginary.

(2) -- the unbelieving
This group obviously are those who
do NOT believe in Jesus Christ.
(However, God does say that those who are disobedient are proving their unbelief:
Hebrews 3:18-19, 4:3-6, 4:11).

Here, too, you play fast-and-loose with Scripture. Hebrews 3:18-19 isn't speaking of post-Calvary Christians but of the OT Israelites. And no where in the verses you posted from Hebrews 4 are born-again people in view. The "disobedient" are those who do not respond in faith to Gospel and are saved. They are not born-again believers.

(3) -- the abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars
This group represents a long list of sinners, especially habitual sinners.
And this group represents at least 2 sub-groups:
(A) - All non-believers who are habitual sinners.
(B) - All BACs who choose to be habitual sinners
----- (Many NT verses teach they are NOT
-- --- on the path to eternal life.)
Please note
Those in (A) can become BACs.
Those in (B) can repent (stop sinning) and
get back on that narrow path to eternal life.

Any person claiming to be saved but living comfortably in habitual and unrepentant sin belies their claim. Genuine, born-again Christians do not live in sin this way. It is a chronic problem with SAL proponents that they badly underestimate the impact of the Holy Spirit upon a person He has truly spiritually-regenerated. They seem to think willful, unrepentant and habitual sin is always just a step away for every Christian, but this ignores the many verses in Scripture that tell us that the Holy Spirit fundamentally transforms the nature of a person, placing them in Christ and making them a new creation (2 Corinthians 5:17); that tell us that a child of God who strays into sin will be brought under God's loving discipline (as opposed to immediate ejection from His family) (Hebrews 12:5-11); that tell us that the mark of a genuine believer is a love for God that compels obedience and a holy life (2 Corinthians 5:14; 1 John 4:9-19; 2 John 1:6).
 
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You really have an axe to grind with this saved-and-lost, works-salvation stuff! You just can't let off promoting these false doctrines! Yikes!

How do you know what sorts of cowards are in view in the passage from Revelations 21:8? In the Greek, the word you render "cowardly" (deilos) is actually a term broader in its meaning, including "fearful" or "timid" and, by implication, "faithless." The Jamieson, Fawcett and Brown Bible Commentary makes a very excellent observation about this term:

Verse 8. the fearful -- Greek, "the cowardly," who do not quit themselves like men so as to "overcome" in the good fight; who have the spirit of slavish "fear," not love, towards God...

If the JFB Bible Commentary is correct, "cowardly" includes those who resort to a motive of fear in their relationship with God - just like the SAL (saved-and-lost) crowd do.

Your B-type cowards are not described in the verses you offered from Matthew and Mark. All the verses that you cited state is that those who persevere in the faith to the end shall be saved. Of course, these verses don't stand alone, unqualified by other passages that tell us that those God has elected to salvation He does not relinquish (John 10:27-29; Hebrews 13:5; Romans 8:29) and that He takes personal responsibility for seeing to it that the redemptive work He has begun in His children is brought to completion (Philippians 1:6; 1 Thessalonians 5:23-24) In light of these verses, your type-B saved-and-lost cowards don't exist.

Your type-C cowards also don't exist, they are a fiction; for no true born-again child of God would take the Mark of the Beast. Only "tares," false converts to the faith, would do such a thing. There is certainly no verse in Scripture which indicates that genuine Christians will be guilty of taking the Mark. In fact, the only ones mentioned in Scripture who take the Mark are clearly unsaved. So, again, your type-C cowards are purely imaginary.



Here, too, you play fast-and-loose with Scripture. Hebrews 3:18-19 isn't speaking of post-Calvary Christians but of the OT Israelites. And no where in the verses you posted from Hebrews 4 are born-again people in view. The "disobedient" are those who do not respond in faith to Gospel and are saved. They are not born-again believers.



Any person claiming to be saved but living comfortably in habitual and unrepentant sin belies their claim. Genuine, born-again Christians do not live in sin this way. It is a chronic problem with SAL proponents that they badly underestimate the impact of the Holy Spirit upon a person He has truly spiritually-regenerated. They seem to think willful, unrepentant and habitual sin is always just a step away for every Christian, but this ignores the many verses in Scripture that tell us that the Holy Spirit fundamentally transforms the nature of a person, placing them in Christ and making them a new creation (2 Corinthians 5:17); that tell us that a child of God who strays into sin will be brought under God's loving discipline (as opposed to immediate ejection from His family) (Hebrews 12:5-11); that tell us that the mark of a genuine believer is a love for God that compels obedience and a holy life (2 Corinthians 5:14; 1 John 4:9-19; 2 John 1:6).
Amen to this. Thank you for posting the truth.
 
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According to Revelation, what is the destiny of anyone who receives the Mark of the Beast? (Revelation 14:9-10)?

According to 1 Corinthians 3:17, what will God do to anyone who destroys the Temple of God (our Bodies)? If a man commits suicide (destroys his own body), what will God do to him after he is dead?

There are 3 unpardonable sins..

1) Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit
2) Receiving the Mark of the Beast
3) Suicide

No one can repent of these. Once they are committed, it is too late for them.



I'm not saying this to defend suicide but I'll have to disagree with you on that subject. There is no verse in the Bible that directly addresses the subject of suicide. I wish there was a passage that lays down God's policy but there doesn't seem to be one.

When I was a member of the Moravian Church I was once in a church Fellowship Hall for several hours with three Moravian ministers. They were looking for a verse that deals with suicide. With all the concordances and other study aids available to modern ministers, they could not find one.

There are a couple of places in the historical books of the OT where a king, mortally wounded, ordered a soldier to finish him off. In one case the soldier refused, probably fearing that he would be treated as a traitor and a murderer. In the other case, a soldier killed King Saul under much the same circumstances and David condemned this action. However, these battlefield stories don't really tell us anything about a typical decision to commit suicide.
 
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(A) - All non-believers who are habitual sinners.

I would say all non believers, regardless of whether they sin habitually or not. The rest of your post? Pretty much on target. :oldthumbsup:

Those in (B) can repent (stop sinning) and
get back on that narrow path to eternal life.

But why walk away from a perfectly good false doctrine where the path is wide, we can sin freely, and best of all, has the "Satan's Best!" seal of approval? ;)
 
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I would say all non believers, regardless of whether they sin habitually or not. The rest of your post? Pretty much on target. :oldthumbsup:



But why walk away from a perfectly good false doctrine where the path is wide, we can sin freely, and best of all, has the "Satan's Best!" seal of approval? ;)

When a person focuses on Jesus's sacrifice and Jesus's resurrection they can't lose their salvation because the living God willfully keeps his sheep from falling away. If Jesus thought i was going to lose my salvation he would kill me and yes Jesus does kill people. The person who focuses on the gospel (death/sacrifice and resurrection) of Jesus Christ will see the light at the end of tunnel. Cowardice is a problem among non believers but the believer ultimately vanquishes cowardice at some point in his/her life. This is very Biblical. Who decides how hard we have to work to get into heaven? Does the accuser decide or does Jesus Christ make this decision? I'll see you in heaven brother.
 
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