In the week of creation, did the Lord create something in the night?

Jonathan Mathews · May 6, 2019

guevaraj said:
Brother, even when He says “let there be light” took place before the week of creation, because the pattern of the days states that at the beginning is the period of light.

As far as I know, that has not been revealed.

The secret things belong to the Lord our God, but the things revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may follow all the words of this law. (Deuteronomy 29:29 NIV)

What has been revealed is that it took place before the week of creation.

The days in Genesis end with the period of evening to morning because they start with the period of morning to evening. The reason God has nothing to report between the period from evening to morning is because He stopped creating each night that ended the days of the week but had a lot to report during the first half a day from morning to evening about His creating. Taking this pattern back to the beginning of the week you learn that everything before the light is before the week of creation.

We are to remember to keep the Sabbath holy as a “forever” sign between Him and us.

The Israelites are to observe the Sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant. It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he rested and was refreshed.'" (Exodus 31:16-17 NIV)

“Forever” means that this covenant does not expire, ever.

You are using our traditions when it is God who established when the day begins in Genesis. The day begins at sunrise, “while it was still dark” is before sunrise and Sunday has not yet begun. United in our hope of the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

guevaraj said:
Brother, even when He says “let there be light” took place before the week of creation, because the pattern of the days states that at the beginning is the period of light. From morning to evening is the period of light and from evening to morning is the period of darkness that ends the first day and each subsequent day of the week of creation. Taking this pattern back to the beginning of the week you learn that everything before the light is before the week of creation.

As far as I know, that has not been revealed.

The secret things belong to the Lord our God, but the things revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may follow all the words of this law. (Deuteronomy 29:29 NIV)

What has been revealed is that it took place before the week of creation.

The days in Genesis end with the period of evening to morning because they start with the period of morning to evening. The reason God has nothing to report between the period from evening to morning is because He stopped creating each night that ended the days of the week but had a lot to report during the first half a day from morning to evening about His creating. Taking this pattern back to the beginning of the week you learn that everything before the light is before the week of creation.

We are to remember to keep the Sabbath holy as a “forever” sign between Him and us.

The Israelites are to observe the Sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant. It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he rested and was refreshed.'" (Exodus 31:16-17 NIV)

“Forever” means that this covenant does not expire, ever.

You are using our traditions when it is God who established when the day begins in Genesis. The day begins at sunrise, “while it was still dark” is before sunrise and Sunday has not yet begun. United in our hope of the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

No. The pattern of a day is this: "Evening and Morning, the first day". The week of creation stated "in the begging" when God created the heavens and earth in darkness (evening). THEN He created the light (morning). That was the first day... evening first, then morning.... darkness then light.

What has not been revealed to you, I will reveal. Before God created the heavens and the earth, GOD was "All in All" (1 Corinthians 15:28). God was EVERYWHERE. God is the Begging and the Ending (Revelation 22:13). As the Word says "From everlasting to everlasting, you are God" (Psalms 90:2). Before Creation He simply was "I AM". And He will be "I AM" after all things. God has no begging. He began all things. God has no ending. He is the Ending of all things.

Are you an Israelite? The Covenant of which you spoke was given to Israelite, not Gentiles. I am not an Israelite. I am a son of God in Christ Jesus, the Sun of Righteousness. EVERY DAY for me is holy unto the Lord. I rest in Christ Jesus EVERYDAY. The Sun of Righteousness is in me by His Holy Spirit. Jesus Christ fulfilled the Sabbath Day of the Law when He died and rested from His work in the Grave on Saturday in darkness. But He arose during the darkness, which was the begging of a new day. And I am in Him. If you are resting from your works by having Faith in the risen Christ Jesus, you are free from the Law of Observing a particular day of Sabbath. There is more freedom in being a son of God than being a son of Israel.

guevaraj · May 6, 2019

Jonathan Mathews said:
No. The pattern of a day is this: "Evening and Morning, the first day". The week of creation stated "in the begging" when God created the heavens and earth in darkness (evening). THEN He created the light (morning). That was the first day... evening first, then morning.... darkness then light.

Brother, the word evening means sunset and morning means sunrise, from evening to morning it is only half a day, the period that God called the “night” that ends the first day that began with light. Because it ends with the night and begins with light, we have the first full day, everything before the light is before the week of creation.

Jonathan Mathews said:
What has not been revealed to you, I will reveal. Before God created the heavens and the earth, GOD was "All in All" (1 Corinthians 15:28). God was EVERYWHERE. God is the Begging and the Ending (Revelation 22:13). As the Word says "From everlasting to everlasting, you are God" (Psalms 90:2). Before Creation He simply was "I AM". And He will be "I AM" after all things. God has no begging. He began all things. God has no ending. He is the Ending of all things.

Your answer is that God was everywhere. Certainly, He has that ability if He so wishes, but during the week of creation He was located around Eden, where He made holy the seventh day from morning to morning, that Israel remembers to keep holy half a day before the seventh local day of the week, from evening to evening. That tells me that the Sabbath was made holy in the time zone of Eden and that is why Israel remembers to keep it holy half a day before its seventh local day of the week.

Jonathan Mathews said:
Are you an Israelite? The Covenant of which you spoke was given to Israelite, not Gentiles. I am not an Israelite. I am a son of God in Christ Jesus, the Sun of Righteousness. EVERY DAY for me is holy unto the Lord. I rest in Christ Jesus EVERYDAY. The Sun of Righteousness is in me by His Holy Spirit. Jesus Christ fulfilled the Sabbath Day of the Law when He died and rested from His work in the Grave on Saturday in darkness. But He arose during the darkness, which was the begging of a new day. And I am in Him. If you are resting from your works by having Faith in the risen Christ Jesus, you are free from the Law of Observing a particular day of Sabbath. There is more freedom in being a son of God than being a son of Israel.

From God’s point of view, all the gentiles who have “come in” are part of Israel.

I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, and in this way all Israel will be saved. As it is written: “The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob. And this is my covenant with them when I take away their sins.” As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable. Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you. For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all. (Romans 11:25-32 NIV)

“All Israel” includes not only the “part” that excepted Jesus where the gentiles “come in” but also the part that did not except Him, who is our enemies until Jesus returns and forgives them, saving “all Israel”. Therefore, from God’s point of view, we are part of Israel, the part that accepted Jesus. United in our hope of the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Jonathan Mathews · May 6, 2019

guevaraj said:
Brother, the word evening means sunset and morning means sunrise,

Your answer is that God was everywhere. Certainly, He has that ability if He so wishes, but during the week of creation He was located around Eden

Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, and in this way all Israel will be saved.

You are very mixed up in your beliefs.

1) God did not create the Sun until day 4 (Genesis 1:16-19) But each of days 1-3 had an "evening" and a "morning". How then can evening and morning be sunset and sunrise (as you claim) if the Sun wasn't even created yet? NO. Evening is darkness and Morning is light, and God created BOTH on Day 1 before the Sun was even created on Day 4. Evening and Morning existed on Days 2 and 3, before the Sun, Moon, and Stars were created on Day 4.

2) I already showed you that God was NOT in Eden on Days 1 and 2 of Creation. He hovering over the waters of the earth in Day 1 (Genesis 1:2). On Day 2 God made the sky. Where was Eden on Day 2, if God was in it? God did not even make the dry land until Day 3. God created the Garden of Eden on Day 3. How could God be in the Garden of Eden in Days 1 and 2, since He had not even made the dry land and plants until Day 3 (Genesis 1:9-13)? You are confused.

3) An Israelite is a descendant of Jacob/Israel. Which of the 12 Tribes of Israel are you a descendant of? Who is your father? I am not an Israelite, and my Father is God.

guevaraj · May 6, 2019

Jonathan Mathews said:
You are very mixed up in your beliefs.

Brother, I have given Biblical evidence of all my believes, can you do the same? Since the Bible does not allow us to choose our own way and only teaches one way, we can not both be correct.

Jonathan Mathews said:
1) God did not create the Sun until day 4 (Genesis 1:16-19) But each of days 1-3 had an "evening" and a "morning". How then can evening and morning be sunset and sunrise (as you claim) if the Sun wasn't even created yet? NO. Evening is darkness and Morning is light, and God created BOTH on Day 1 before the Sun was even created on Day 4. Evening and Morning existed on Days 2 and 3, before the Sun, Moon, and Stars were created on Day 4.

The sun was lit on day one to establish the days as explained in day 4, when God added the additional second light of the moon to establish the seasons as the sun established the half a day periods God called the “day” and the “night” from day one.

Jonathan Mathews said:
2) I already showed you that God was NOT in Eden on Days 1 and 2 of Creation. He hovering over the waters of the earth in Day 1 (Genesis 1:2). On Day 2 God made the sky. Where was Eden on Day 2, if God was in it? God did not even make the dry land until Day 3. God created the Garden of Eden on Day 3. How could God be in the Garden of Eden in Days 1 and 2, since He had not even made the dry land and plants until Day 3 (Genesis 1:9-13)? You are confused.

You speculated that because God can be everywhere, He was everywhere when He can also be localized. In Genesis, He chose to be localized around Eden to establish a location for our first parents, unfortunately a location lost to us due to the flood that changed the whole surface of the earth. What we know from Israel’s way of remembering to keep the Sabbath holy is that Eden was on the other side of the world from the location of Israel.

Jonathan Mathews said:
3) An Israelite is a descendant of Jacob/Israel. Which of the 12 Tribes of Israel are you a descendant of? Who is your father? I am not an Israelite, and my Father is God.

Again, from a human point of view speculating that because you are not a blood descendent therefore you cannot be an Israelite. Did you read my Biblical evidence of God’s point of view revealing His expectation that “all Israel” keep the Sabbath holy “forever” as a sign between God and us, including gentiles who have “come in” to the “part” of Israel that accepted Jesus. Note, that it is not coming from me, I did not write those Biblical passages that have taught me these things. United in our hope of the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Blade · May 6, 2019

Its not our word to tell others what this GOD really meant

It would seem your looking at this through the eyes of flesh and then speculating about some things. Well you state some things.. as if they are fact yet there is no verse in Gods word to back up what you say..or you would or should have posted it.

This is supernatural. This world in which we live is a time bubble. There is no time no day no night where God is. No darkness in Him around Him..not even shadows. As Christ would say.. there is so much of this world you do not understand. So how in the world can you talk about or understand creation.. the book of beginnings. The fall of Satan.. God is light.. and Satan is the opposite of that. God is truth Satan is the father of lies. Were talking about LIGHT and DARKNESS.

The what about other parts of the word of God that talk about this earth as if something was here before Adam and Eve? Any way.. Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.

For as Issac was.. we are the children of promise. This day and night.. is in this time bubble.. for HE will be the light..no more night. Forgive me.. there is so much more to this that is NOT written. And somethings are not talked about NOW because would have no effect what so ever in our walk..with Christ. We dont need to know.

guevaraj · May 6, 2019

Blade said:
somethings are not talked about NOW because would have no effect what so ever in our walk..with Christ. We dont need to know.

Brother, there is a “powerful delusion” to defend the Sunday tradition that replaces the Sabbath by linking it with Jesus as a celebration of the resurrection.

The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie, and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness. (2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 NIV)

God in His wisdom has hidden a truth from the beginning that breaks that “powerful delusion” that has kept Bible students from questioning the Sunday tradition as a replacement for the true Sabbath of God.

The Israelites are to observe the Sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant. It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he rested and was refreshed.'" (Exodus 31:16-17 NIV)

The hidden truth that breaks the charm with the Sunday tradition is that Jesus did not resurrect on Sunday! United in our hope of the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Jonathan Mathews · May 7, 2019

God created the Heavens and earth before He created the light. Genesis 1:1 There earth was formless and void and darkness covered the surface of the waters. THEN God's spirit hovered over the water and said "Let there be light". The earth and the heavens were already created and in complete darkness BEFORE God created light.

Answer this... which did God create first, the waters of earth or the Light? Genesis 1:2-3

guevaraj · May 7, 2019

Jonathan Mathews said:
God created the Heavens and earth before He created the light. Genesis 1:1 There earth was formless and void and darkness covered the surface of the waters. THEN God's spirit hovered over the water and said "Let there be light". The earth and the heavens were already created and in complete darkness BEFORE God created light. Answer this... which did God create first, the waters of earth or the Light? Genesis 1:2-3

Brother, we agree with the order, but everything before the period of light is prior to the week of creation. Therefore, we do not know when these things were done before the week of creation, only that it occurred, a time before unspecified. United in our hope of the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

guevaraj · May 12, 2019

DennisTate said:
before the annual High Sabbath

Brother, there is a confirmation of the days in Genesis established by God from morning to morning in Leviticus as understood by “Rabbi Yehuda Shurpin”, although he sees it as an exception rather than the established rule in Genesis.

The meat of their fellowship offering of thanksgiving must be eaten on the day it is offered; they must leave none of it till morning. (Leviticus 7:15 NIV)

The Rabbi admits that the previous passage assumes a day from morning to morning, although he does not consider it as the rule established in Genesis, but as an exception in his comment below.

if you were given one day to eat an offering, the day consisted of the daytime followed by its night (unlike all other purposes, for which Jewish calendar days consist of the night followed by the day). Thus, as far as sacrifices are concerned, the night after a sacrifice is brought is an extension of the day it is brought. Therefore, when it comes to the celebration of the Passover sacrifice, while it was eaten on the 15th, it was considered to be the same day as the 14th. (Rabbi Yehuda Shurpin)

There may be many other passages that would benefit from understanding the days as established in Genesis to better understand the message of God in His word. United in our hope of the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

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