Vegan Thread While Forum Would Be Wanted

makeajoyfulnoise100 · Apr 15, 2019

Brotherly Spirit said:
I've been a vegan near a year I think and my experience it's not easy. Especially If you have circumstances being the only vegan living at home, not buying the groceries, and a limited budget. So I understand people's reluctance, it's not only political or religious but very difficult. All my meals are separate from my family, very strict diet of certain foods everyday even processed foods like canned beans and peanut butter for protein and fats. As for nutrients or vitamins like B-12 I eat refined cereal with soy milk (which has added vitamins too).

The main reasons I became a vegan is harm to the climate/environment, industrial mass breeding with hormones/antibiotics etc. and the poor conditions/animal abuse, also health eating food that's better for my body and lowers my chances getting diseases like heart disease. I'll admit still ignorant and far from ideal as a vegan, as am I as a Christian; but I think even non-vegans can be moved toward veganism by addressing those major three points.

In my mind regardless of your beliefs about climate change for example, it's undeniable people have an affect on the environment like pollution. Further connect it to health, if smoking is harmful to your body and mass consumption of animal products; then why wouldn't you support less pollution and less industrial mass breeding? The earth has an ecosystem like the body has an immune system, some things it can tolerate and heal; but if we continuously harm it and not allow regular healing (wellness), the harm will have greater severity and lasting damage.

I'm vegan simply because that was how God designed us in the first place. You dont need as much B12 as everyone says. I drink a vitamin water every now and then with B12 but have noticed I dont need it all the time. Actually B12 cancels out iron which I was iron anemic as a kid so I dont consume it as much.

But yes I am the only vegan at home and stuff but it's not too bad. I have a vegan friend at congregation and all her kids are vegan as well so we have a good discussions over the health benefits.

But even though I've show my family What the Health and other documentaries they dont care. I mean they still even eat pig which is not Kosher and since pigs dont sweat their toxins it's worse meat for the body.
But hey I come on here every now and then. If you need a vegan buddy I can always add ya ^^)

Brotherly Spirit · Apr 17, 2019

makeajoyfulnoise100 said:
I'm vegan simply because that was how God designed us in the first place. You dont need as much B12 as everyone says. I drink a vitamin water every now and then with B12 but have noticed I dont need it all the time. Actually B12 cancels out iron which I was iron anemic as a kid so I dont consume it as much.

But yes I am the only vegan at home and stuff but it's not too bad. I have a vegan friend at congregation and all her kids are vegan as well so we have a good discussions over the health benefits.

But even though I've show my family What the Health and other documentaries they dont care. I mean they still even eat pig which is not Kosher and since pigs dont sweat their toxins it's worse meat for the body.
But hey I come on here every now and then. If you need a vegan buddy I can always add ya ^^)

Since becoming a vegan I haven't felt more vitamin deficient. But I try to be safer than sorry about it like B12. No doubt as vegans we get plenty more of the other vitamins. Least I hope so lol, my diet doesn't vary much but what I eat daily seems varied. I've been in auto-pilot being vegan, I haven't done as much research or have remember as I should. What symptoms do you notice when needing B12?

I think being vegan is like being Christian, it's all different way of life to people. Many of them even having the truth are stuck in their own ways. Certain foods and habits aren't easy to change especially 180 degrees from bunch of animal products to none. I remember how alien it was before and thought it was impossible also extreme. Now not so much, but I got there in phases which helped.

Not too sure about mixing God and veganism. I agree originally He had us eating vegetation and it was later we were given animals for food. I could be incorrect but even before we ate animals we were given dominion over them and could be used for work (e.g. tending the land). Wow I didn't know that about pigs, never thought about animals sweating lol. Other than that they're supposed to be intelligent, more than dogs who're considered man's best friend.

Yes, I would like that. I don't know any vegans offline. Thank you for the considerations.

morse86 · Apr 19, 2019

Absolutely not.

Veganism isn't biblical and it's probably dangerous to your health:

The powers that be are pushing the vegan agenda on people, many are deceived by it (people like "Doctor" Mcgregor are promoting sterilization/vasectomies and they are all for the NWO). A society without meat is weak and easy to subdue. Look at "doctor" mcdougall, he is only 70 but he looks 120.

Look at this garbage, how many people are going to fall for it (check the 1 minute 40 second mark)?

The food supply is full of poisons today, everyone is worrying about the calories...nobody asks what the ingredients are OR what type of processing and handling....it's all about the calories.

On the other spectrum, "Paleo" isn't biblical either (but at least's it's healthy, just the underlying pseudo science behind it is false). Many people ate grains and bread in the bible. It all depends on the source of the food, like many wheat grains contain glycophosphates residues so when you eat bread made from that wheat, it affects your health.

Ttalkkugjil · Apr 19, 2019

FredVB said:
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Choose right, this will still be in godliness, and God cares as was shown, that the way animals are used now is NOT justified. Then, any of you who are vegan should be counted, that we who choose this rightly, who are increasing, are really seen.
http://www.howmanyvegans.com/

What's overlooked in the meme is that some nonhuman creatures eat other nonhuman creatures.

Anyway, I'm currently transitioning to veganism and am sure I can use some friendly advice from time to time.

Brotherly Spirit · Apr 20, 2019

morse86 said:
Absolutely not.

Veganism isn't biblical and it's probably dangerous to your health:

The powers that be are pushing the vegan agenda on people, many are deceived by it (people like "Doctor" Mcgregor are promoting sterilization/vasectomies and they are all for the NWO). A society without meat is weak and easy to subdue. Look at "doctor" mcdougall, he is only 70 but he looks 120.

Look at this garbage, how many people are going to fall for it (check the 1 minute 40 second mark)?

The food supply is full of poisons today, everyone is worrying about the calories...nobody asks what the ingredients are OR what type of processing and handling....it's all about the calories.

On the other spectrum, "Paleo" isn't biblical either (but at least's it's healthy, just the underlying pseudo science behind it is false). Many people ate grains and bread in the bible. It all depends on the source of the food, like many wheat grains contain glycophosphates residues so when you eat bread made from that wheat, it affects your health.

Your concerns are legitimate and myself have experience it. But also I've learned any diet taken to the extreme is unhealthy. I've lost weight eating the same but less of the American diet and I've gained weight eating the same but more of the vegan diet. Any healthy diet requires eating enough and varied to meet caloric and nutritional needs. I'll admit it's more difficult on the vegan diet as most food has animal products which are the cheapest and convenient.

A big point I agree with you is if you're mainly eating fruit and some vegetables, avoiding all process foods and neglecting protein/fat from any food is unhealthy. Protein is one of the three macro-nutrients the body needs and fat is double the calories of it or carbohydrates. So as I said before it's not ideally "vegan", but I eat processed/refined food which have protein and fat. (Yeah sadly most food aren't grown or processed in a way that's healthy.)

In the second video Dr. Gregor addressed health issues/concerns about women losing period, that any calorie restricted diet would cause it and even suggested more fat. Obviously if you eat more you'll get more protein too. Also he suggested vasectomies but also said it's not the best solution if you want children and wait until after.

Here's a YouTube channel I sometime watch how looks healthy and uses studies to support his claims. One video I watched earlier in the week was him answering if he was a high carbohydrate vegan, he addressed the pros and cons:

johndoo · May 5, 2019

So I made the vegan breakfast muffin recipe from Simnett nutrition this weekend.
There is no doubt that it is nutritious. I'm just not use to bread/muffins that are so dense.
My wife says it is because it doesn't have 1-2 eggs.
I like the fact that it contains pureed banana and date.
It has no sugar so I used the option of chocolate chips and was glad I did because it added sweetness.
I used a combination of white flour, whole wheat flour and almond flour.

Brotherly Spirit · May 12, 2019

johndoo said:
So I made the vegan breakfast muffin recipe from Simnett nutrition this weekend.
There is no doubt that it is nutritious. I'm just not use to bread/muffins that are so dense.
My wife says it is because it doesn't have 1-2 eggs.
I like the fact that it contains pureed banana and date.
It has no sugar so I used the option of chocolate chips and was glad I did because it added sweetness.
I used a combination of white flour, whole wheat flour and almond flour.

I haven't done any vegan recipes except substituting fat free refried beans for meat in tacos. What I'd like to try is Buffalo Cauliflower wings. But the muffins seem tasty too, I'm with you for chocolate chips (dark chocolate?) substituted for sugar. Sweet and nutritious too.

FredVB · May 8, 2020

morse86 said:
Absolutely not.
Veganism isn't biblical and it's probably dangerous to your health:
The powers that be are pushing the vegan agenda on people, many are deceived by it (people like "Doctor" Mcgregor are promoting sterilization/vasectomies and they are all for the NWO). A society without meat is weak and easy to subdue. Look at "doctor" mcdougall, he is only 70 but he looks 120.
Look at this garbage, how many people are going to fall for it?
The food supply is full of poisons today, everyone is worrying about the calories...nobody asks what the ingredients are OR what type of processing and handling....it's all about the calories.
On the other spectrum, "Paleo" isn't biblical either (but at least's it's healthy, just the underlying pseudo science behind it is false). Many people ate grains and bread in the bible. It all depends on the source of the food, like many wheat grains contain glycophosphates residues so when you eat bread made from that wheat, it affects your health.

I don't know why anyone ... like you ... would choose to come here, to a vegan thread, right where we have discussion that a vegan safe zone is needed, to share the anti-vegan communication, which is basically inflammatory propaganda. It is just all wrong. There is abundance of what shows there is a real healthy way for vegan living. There are issues to people's health otherwise. There are serious issues to environment, climate, use of resources, available food for deprived people many of whom are starving, and the abuse to animals that is ungodly and not biblical, which can be shown in passages, with the continued use of animal products.

Ttalkkugjil said:
What's overlooked in the meme is that some nonhuman creatures eat other nonhuman creatures.
Anyway, I'm currently transitioning to veganism and am sure I can use some friendly advice from time to time.

I can help with advice. But what happens among wildlife in natural conditions away from humans is irrelevant to this.

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