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What do you think of John 11:23-27?

Lazarus had died. Martha's statement was because she knew Lazarus would rest in the grave until the last day (return of Jesus) and then be resurrected .... what she didn't know (at that point) that Jesus was going to resurrect Lazarus before (His return/before the last day);

so it will be with all believers who die the earthly death ... rest in the grave and will be resurrected at His return and will live again ... for eternity ;o)
 
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Lazarus had died. Martha's statement was because she knew Lazarus would rest in the grave until the last day (return of Jesus) and then be resurrected .... what she didn't know (at that point) that Jesus was going to resurrect Lazarus before (His return/before the last day);

so it will be with all believers who die the earthly death ... rest in the grave and will be resurrected at His return and will live again ... for eternity ;o)
Don't forget that this was not a true resurrection, as Lazarus truly died a second time later. According to tradition, it was on Crete.

The event of John 10 is a mere temporary resuscitation.
 
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There were also others who were resurrected when He rose.

Matthew 27:52
"52The tombs broke open, and the bodies of many saints who had fallen asleep were raised."

The verse referenced happened immediately after "He yielded up His Spirit (Christs death).
Don't forget that this was not a true resurrection, as Lazarus truly died a second time later. According to tradition, it was on Crete.

The event of John 10 is a mere temporary resuscitation.

Resurrection or anastasis is the concept of coming back to life after death.

Wasn't resurrected unto eternity ... but brought back from the dead (raised up - brought back to life) none the less. He was truly dead ... so a true resurrected (raised up - brought back to life). temporary resuscitation after several days? That description doesn't really seem to describe it accurately. Woke up from his sleep ... as Jesus described ... yet He did also say Lazarus is dead ... no matter Jesus performed a miracle and brought him back to life. ;o)
 
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The verse referenced happened immediately after "He yielded up His Spirit (Christs death).


Resurrection or anastasis is the concept of coming back to life after death.

Wasn't resurrected unto eternity ... but brought back from the dead (raised up - brought back to life) none the less. He was truly dead ... so a true resurrected (raised up - brought back to life). temporary resuscitation after several days? That description doesn't really seem to describe it accurately. Woke up from his sleep ... as Jesus described ... yet He did also say Lazarus is dead ... no matter Jesus performed a miracle and brought him back to life. ;o)

Correct, I added this:

*Correction, when the veil in the temple was torn, they were raised.

Also, yeah,Lazarus was fully dead and gone and was called back from Sheol and any "tradition" may not be the actual case.
 
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Two more passages bear further discussion. First, John 11:23–27:

Jesus said to her, "Your brother will rise again." Martha said to him, "I know that he will rise again in the resurrection on the last day." Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me will live even if he dies, and everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die. Do you believe this?" She said to Him, "Yes, Lord; I have believed that You are the Christ, the Son of God, even He who comes into the world."

Notice Jesus corrected Martha's belief that her brother would only "live" in the resurrection. In contrast, Jesus revealed that believers will live even if they die, and in fact, they will never die in the way that our bodies do.

I got all this here: Awake beyond the Grave: What the Bible Says about Soul Sleep

I am still am confused.:confused:


Whoever Believes in Me Shall Never Die (John 11:26)


John 11:26 is a clear example of taking a verse out of context. This is right after Jesus says, "I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me, though he may die, he shall live." (John 11:25) Since He says they may die in verse 25, then says they shall never die in verse 26, we know death has more than one meaning. In this passage, Jesus says believers cannot die the second death, which we will discuss in Part Three.

He made these statements just before resurrecting Lazarus, and Jesus will resurrect all believers in the future. Jesus says believers will not die the second death; He does not say they remain conscious.

I got this one here: 7. THE CASE FOR CONSCIOUS BELIEVERS
 
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I tend to agree with Chuck Swindoll, that we will be consciously in God's presence right after we die.I do not believe I can make a strong case for that from the Bible, though.

Some say "To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord". That's fine, and it's probably true, but it is not in the Bible in that form! Paul says,

6 Therefore, we are always confident and know that while we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord; 7 for we walk by faith, not by sight. 8 We are courageous, I say, and are willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be at home with the Lord. WEB I Cor 5:6-8

which suggests that in death we will immediately be present with the Lord, but does not say so explicitly.

Now suppose I am mistaken, and there is a "soul sleep" from the time of death until the resurrection, rather than Abraham's bosom or some other place of temporary abode. It would still be true that for me, my next experience after dying would be when the Lord awakens me for the resurrection. So while I do have an opinion on the matter, I don't see it as something of major importance.
 
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The verse referenced happened immediately after "He yielded up His Spirit (Christs death).


Resurrection or anastasis is the concept of coming back to life after death.

Wasn't resurrected unto eternity ... but brought back from the dead (raised up - brought back to life) none the less. He was truly dead ... so a true resurrected (raised up - brought back to life). temporary resuscitation after several days? That description doesn't really seem to describe it accurately. Woke up from his sleep ... as Jesus described ... yet He did also say Lazarus is dead ... no matter Jesus performed a miracle and brought him back to life. ;o)
"Anastasis" has an entirely different meaning in Eastern Christian theology from what you're saying here.
 
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The Easter message this year at my favorite church was "How To Ensure You Will Never Die." The pastor, Rich Nathan of Vineyard Columbus, used John 11:19-27 for that sermon. He said it is about spiritual life - zoe, as opposed to bios (biological) - and that only Jesus has died and risen permanently, so He is the way (11:25).
 
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ok ... was going with the english translation
Lazarus, the son of the widow of Nain, the child who snees 7 times the Prophet Elisha prayed he would come back to life...

These are NOT resurrections, but temporary resuscitations.

Our physical bodies will be changed when when we are Resurrected at the Parousia.
 
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