Transgender Ideology is “Totalitarian”

Aldebaran · May 3, 2019

FireDragon76 said:
It attacks the dignity of transpeople. Let's not be so naive as to pretend that this sort of thing doesn't contribute to violence.

Whoa now! You suggested I'm naive! That's an attack on my intelligence and is therefore violent. When should I expect my $55,000 check to arrive?

FireDragon76 · May 3, 2019

Ignatius the Kiwi said:
Free speech in the USA doesn't include making negative speech inherently violent.

If it leads to actual damages, I could forsee somebody being sued for doing something similar in the US, in the right context.

It's malicious how? Is telling the truth a malicious act?

It's your self-proclaimed truth. A pluralistic society involves more than just your opinion.

Aldebaran · May 3, 2019

FireDragon76 said:
Read the actual tribunal's conclusions. This is more than just misgendering somebody or holding convictions about biological sex. It's a malicious act.

Then so would writing in disagreement with someone's viewpoints. That would make Christianforums.com a very violent place, by that definition anyway.

FireDragon76 said:
If it's designed to instigate hatred or contempt against an entire group of people, it is.

That hardly applies.

Albion · May 3, 2019

FireDragon76 said:
It attacks the dignity of transpeople. .

The same can be said of any criticism or even an idle comment heard by anyone who does not care for what was said. To criminalize free speech certainly goes against some of the most basic human rights concepts we have in Western society.

That doesn't define totalitarianism, it is true, but such laws and prosecutions are definitely typical of totalitarian regimes and unlike free societies.

Aldebaran · May 3, 2019

FireDragon76 said:
If it leads to actual damages, I could forsee somebody being sued for doing something similar in the US, in the right context.

What "actual damages" were incurred in the case in Canada?

FireDragon76 said:
It's your self-proclaimed truth. A pluralistic society involves more than just your opinion.

Yet opinions are allowed to be proclaimed. Otherwise, we wouldn't have a free exchange of ideas. You wouldn't want that to be stopped, would you?

FireDragon76 · May 3, 2019

Aldebaran said:
What "actual damages" were incurred in the case in Canada?

The law in Canada is not about a civil lawsuit but a violation of human rights with an associated civil penalty. So it's a different case, potentially, than what would happen in the US.

Ignatius the Kiwi · May 3, 2019

FireDragon76 said:
If it leads to actual damages, I could forsee somebody being sued for doing something similar in the US, in the right context.

Someone could sue for slander. Could they sue because they said something true about the biological make-up of a person? I doubt it. The USA isn't clown world just yet.

FireDragon76 said:
It's your self-proclaimed truth. A pluralistic society involves more than just your opinion.

Except I've yet to see the justification for why in a pluralist society calling biological men and questioning their ability to run as a political candidate should not be allowed. You've gone through the standard social justice talking points of equating speech with violence yet as far as I can tell such a standard if applied equally would let no one say anything negative about anyone ever. Except you didn't mean that and wanted to say its the intent behind the words that matters but that would mean we could hypothetically say that as a candidate a man who thinks he is a woman, is not qualified for political office.

Your pluralist society seems like a leftist society to me.

Ignatius the Kiwi · May 3, 2019

FireDragon76 said:
The law in Canada is not about a civil lawsuit but a violation of human rights with an associated civil penalty. So it's a different case, potentially, than what would happen in the US.

Is it a human right to be called by what you identify as?

Albion · May 3, 2019

FireDragon76 said:
The law in Canada is not about a civil lawsuit but a violation of human rights with an associated civil penalty. So it's a different case, potentially, than what would happen in the US.

Of course, but we are assessing the Canadian law. It does verge upon the kind of thing that would be expected only in a totalitarian society.

Aldebaran · May 3, 2019

FireDragon76 said:
The law in Canada is not about a civil lawsuit but a violation of human rights with an associated civil penalty. So it's a different case, potentially, than what would happen in the US.

Then people who have the same reasoning as you in America should hope such laws aren't implemented here. Have you heard the things said against Trump? They call him mentally ill. Wouldn't that qualify as malicious slander? With all the times he's been called just that, he could sue enough people to pay off the national debt if we had laws like Canada does.

Aldebaran · May 3, 2019

Albion said:
Of course, but we are assessing the Canadian law. It does verge upon the kind of thing that would be expected only in a totalitarian society.

If the democratic extreme Left (a growing number of people) get their way, it will be the sort of thing we end up with.

Arcangl86 · May 3, 2019

Ignatius the Kiwi said:
Is it a human right to be called by what you identify as?

That's not the issue here. The issue here is discrimination. It is a human right not to be discriminated against because of your identity.

Ignatius the Kiwi · May 3, 2019

Arcangl86 said:
That's not the issue here. The issue here is discrimination. It is a human right not to be discriminated against because of your identity.

What do you mean by discrimination?

Arcangl86 · May 3, 2019

Ignatius the Kiwi said:
What do you mean by discrimination?

Being prevented from having complete participation in society based on your identity.

Albion · May 4, 2019

Arcangl86 said:
Being prevented from having complete participation in society based on your identity.

If that is the issue, the case that is in the news currently does not qualify.

dms1972 · May 4, 2019

There is a growing body of professionals asking questions about transgender ideology and raising concerns about the practice of fast tracking young people into transition.

After resigning from controversial Tavistock gender clinic trust, a former governor says he fears we're hurrying children down a transgender path they may bitterly regret - Anglican Mainstream

Calls to end transgender ‘experiment on children’

Professionals Questioning Medical Transition Of Children - Transgender Trend

The advent of MRI scanning is giving neuroscientists an understanding of the human brain that was previously impossible:

The 'Pink and Blue Brain' Myth - Transgender Trend

CGL1023 · May 4, 2019

Original Happy Camper said:
IMHO Free Speech is not allowed for certain aspects of society.

"Wake Up to the Threat
A so-called “human rights tribunal” in Canada has just ruled that a Christian activist must pay $55,000 to a provincial politician because he referred to this politician as a “biological male” in a political pamphlet. The politician in question, Morgane Oger (born Ronan Oger), is a biological male. However, he has since “transitioned,” and is living his life as a “transgender woman.” According to the decision, Bill Whatcott must compensate Oger for injuring the latter’s “dignity, feelings and self-respect.”

The terrifying precedent set by this case can be illustrated by this one, flabbergasting fact: The judge in the case refused to allow Whatcott’s lawyer to offer testimony showing that, in point of fact, Oger is a biological male. According to the judge, “the ‘truth’ of [Whatcott’s] statements in the flyer is not a defense.” As such, said the judge, “evidence is simply not relevant to the legal issue…”

Read that again. Let it sink in. Truth is not a defense. Evidence doesn’t matter. What matters – it would seem – is whether someone’s feelings are hurt."

https://www.hli.org/2019/04/totalitarian-transgender-ideology/

CGL1023 · May 4, 2019

From what I have read of related incidents in Canada, I am surprised there are so many in power to bring about these seeming ultra-liberal changes.

kcnalp · May 4, 2019

Did anyone see where the guy who "became a woman" broke 9 women's world weightlifting records? I wonder how Feminists feel about that.

Aldebaran · May 4, 2019

kcnalp said:
Did anyone see where the guy who "became a woman" broke 9 women's world weightlifting records? I wonder how Feminists feel about that.

Even more importantly, how do the female competitors who were never previously a man feel about it?

"However, despite her own enthusiasm, Gregory's win seems to have angered a few other athletes, including former British Olympic swimmer Sharron Davies and British track Olympian Kelly Holmes.

Davies took to Twitter to express her disdain over Gregory competing as a woman, writing, "This is a trans woman a male body with male physiology setting a world record & winning a woman’s event in America in powerlifting. A woman with female biology cannot compete. It’s a pointless unfair playing field."

Piggybacking on Davies' sentiment, Holmes chimed in, writing Gregory's record-setting was "a bloody joke" and that biological women may start to "boycott certain events."

"Have a trans category if need be but even better a trans games," she continued. "Otherwise i’m starting to worry about the backlash and abuse that the trans community will get from spectators. It will happen!"

Davies, a vocal supporter of Fair Play For Women, a group which describes itself as being "concerned about the impact of transgender policy on the participation of women and girls in sport," later returned to social media to double down on her critique.

"The reason we have men & women’s races are because we are biologically different," she wrote. "Performance 100% confirms that. The reason steroids (including testosterone) are on the banned list is because using them gives you an advantage. FairPlay is racing by biology by sex not by gender."
Transgender weightlifter smashes women's world records, sparking backlash from Olympians

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