Philly Catholic foster agency loses appeal to discriminate against gay people

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Entirely different issue. One cannot conflate an innate characteristic like race, with an action like same sex behavior.

So the Catholic group would accept a celibate same-sex couple as foster parents? How would they know? Do you have evidence they were investigating the sex lives and practices of people who applied to foster? Seems kinda creepy if it was actually going on ...

But we all know it wasn't.
 
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Can't they leave their social justice policies at the door and just foster kids with qualified parents? Why do they have to bring in their views of right and wrong?

Anybody's attempt to place children with "qualified parents" must inevitably coincide with their "views of right and wrong."

There's no other way to do that.
 
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Anybody's attempt to place children with "qualified parents" must inevitably coincide with their "views of right and wrong."

There's no other way to do that.

Yep. And in this case, the views of the people with the money disagree with the people who want to spend that money. I think we know how that's supposed to turn out.
 
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Yep. And in this case, the views of the people with the money disagree with the people who want to spend that money. I think we know how that's supposed to turn out.

As I said earlier: Stop spending their money and spend your own money. "He who has the gold makes the rules, he who pays the cost is the boss."
 
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I think the laws should be written in the best interest of the people they most effect, in this instance that would be in the best interest of the child, not the desires of the adult perspective parents.

If there were two couples wanting to adopt a Native American child. One couple in NA the other couple is non-NA.
Which couple do you think should be chosen to adopted the child, keeping in mind the best interest of the child?

Your right, and the studies show that children are better off being adopted then not adopted, that the only problems they have being adopted by gays is having to deal with hate and discrimination.

And to be fair what often happens is that if your not catholic a catholic agency won't allow protestants to adopt, or someone that isn't Christian and such all under the guise of, "Protecting the children, but it's not about that, it's about trying to force the kids into one type of upbringing to the determent of the children.
 
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A federal appeals court ruled Monday that the city of Philadelphia can sever its contract with a Catholic foster care agency that refuses to place children with same-sex couples.

In its opinion, a three-judge panel of the 3rd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals at Philadelphia held that Catholic Social Services’ religious beliefs do not entitle it to an exception from the city’s nondiscrimination policy. The Philadelphia Inquirer, NPR and Courthouse News Service have coverage.

“The city stands on firm ground in requiring its contractors to abide by its nondiscrimination policies when administering public services,” Judge Thomas Ambro wrote in the opinion.

“While CSS may assert that the city’s actions were not driven by a sincere commitment to equality but rather by anti-religious and anti-Catholic bias … the current record does not show religious persecution or bias,” Ambro said. “Instead it shows so far the city’s good faith in its effort to enforce its laws against discrimination.”

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Important to note how the judges are distinguishing this from 'the' cake case. There, the cakeshop won because the local government commission acted in a biased way - the court did not really rule on whether religious objections generally trump the government's legitimate interest in opposing discrimination.
Good.
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So the Catholic group would accept a celibate same-sex couple as foster parents? How would they know? Do you have evidence they were investigating the sex lives and practices of people who applied to foster? Seems kinda creepy if it was actually going on ...

But we all know it wasn't.
They know what is declared to them. This is a Catholic agency. It really shouldn't be shocking to you that it wishes to adhere to biblical principles.
 
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Please list which other funded groups are allowed to discriminate based on the gender of the parents.

Note - applying rules equally to all groups is not "discrimination", even if they really really believe they're too special to have them apply to them because reasons.
Parenthood discriminates on the gender of parents. It requires a man and a woman, no matter what people tell themselves. So if this agency wishes to place children with parents, there is nothing wrong with adhering to its principles.
 
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This seems like a good description of what the Catholic group is doing as well. Can't they leave their social justice policies at the door and just foster kids with qualified parents? Why do they have to bring in their views of right and wrong? And if they can't leave those alone, why do their views trump those of the people whose money they want to take?
You are really missing the point here. All the Catholic agency is doing is what it HAS been doing for DECADES. Suddenly, thanks to SJW's, this is unacceptable. That's such nonsense.
 
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You are really missing the point here. All the Catholic agency is doing is what it HAS been doing for DECADES. Suddenly, thanks to SJW's, this is unacceptable. That's such nonsense.
And long may they continue to do so. Just so long as they don't continue to do it with government money.
 
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The nature of the world and all its governments is "anti-God, anti-faith." Worldly governments never have and never will operate against their anti-God, anti-faith nature.

If Jesus--the Uncut Stone--ever appears to fit into a structure built by man, that just means it's a "Jesus" created by man as well.
You are right about that. The world works on exactly opposite principles than the Kingdom.
 
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And long may they continue to do so. Just so long as they don't continue to do it with government money.
As I said earlier, works for me. But it's really sad to see people who advocate sin over promoting placement of children.
 
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As I said earlier, works for me. But it's really sad to see people who advocate sin over promoting placement of children.
The sectarian religious doctrine that homosexuality is a "sin" is not relevant to the policies of a secular government.
 
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Parenthood discriminates on the gender of parents. It requires a man and a woman, no matter what people tell themselves.

Can single people adopt children in your view? I mean... Batman adopted Robin.
 
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Can single people adopt children in your view? I mean... Batman adopted Robin.
Not if the child has the opportunity to be adopted into a traditional family with a female mother and male father. Children from these backgrounds are more likely to be emotionally and mentally healthy adults.
 
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Not if the child has the opportunity to be adopted into a traditional family with a female mother and male father. Children from these backgrounds are more likely to be emotionally and mentally healthy adults.

That's not always the case, just as in my case and in the case of other adult adoptees I know.
 
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Can single people adopt children in your view? I mean... Batman adopted Robin.
Can they? Sure, someone is better than no one. Should couples take preference over a single person if there are options (which I don't actually think occurs, as many kids older than babies are waiting for someone)? I would contend yes.
 
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The sectarian religious doctrine that homosexuality is a "sin" is not relevant to the policies of a secular government.
Only if you accept the premise that the government is to be untouched by the views of people of faith. I do not. The Constitution protects the Church from the government, not the other way around.
 
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That's not always the case, just as in my case and in the case of other adult adoptees I know.
Do you think you would have been better off being raised by a single person? Please explain.
 
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