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How do you deal with people with weird priorities?

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My mom (an NT) has one personality trait that really irritates me sometimes. She seems to have this unnecessarily high concern for what is socially appropriate and what "looks nice" to the point where she may stubbornly say I can't or shouldn't do something because it appears (to her) to be socially inappropriate or ugly/gross etc.

For example, I care about and love birds a lot. There's a woodpecker species that is declining across the US because as urban development increases, people chop down all their dead trees. Literally all that would need to be done is keep some of the dead trees because woodpeckers love dead trees (tons of bugs in them, which they eat by pecking through the wood). Throughout the time we've lived at this one house, our large backyard has had several trees die on us. They've all been removed. I don't know if our neighborhood requires it, but it's made the woodpeckers stop appearing. I once asked my Mom why we couldn't have kept the dead trees. "They don't look nice" was her reply. I was expecting something more reasonable, but apparently the livelihood of animals is less important to her than making she other people don't tsk-tsk at her for having a dead tree in the yard. For the record, none of her friends go out there. Hardly anyone would notice or care if we had dead trees unless there was a neighborhood rule against it. Our backyard is kind of a wild space--the neighborhood kind of kept some of the wild areas when it was developed.

Another time I had left some birdseed and bird feeder cleaning tools out on our screen porch. She told me to move them and hide them under an outdoor shelf so that the man who was coming over to inspect our roof for repairs wouldn't see it. Turns out, he never went out onto the porch. He stayed inside and inspected all of the "problem areas" on our ceiling. Why was she so concerned about a few objects being out of sight? He never went out there and he neve saw them.

And of course, she's majorly into fashion. I can't wear this because it's "not what people your age wear". Or I can't wear this because "the colors don't match", or some other thing. It doesn't matter if people can or can't see it--she'll insist on all of this petty stuff.

Am I in the wrong here? Maybe I'm making too big a deal out of this, but I don't understand why my mother has all of these strange priorities that revolve around how other people perceive her or the family. I'm sick of having to care what other people think about me; it just makes me anxious and sorry for myself for having what I could call "failed social interactions".
 
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You are in my prayers, I know that God will give you the wisdom you need to figure it out. Whenever she starts with her priorities, listen but you make the ultimate decision on whether to follow or not. It also says in the Bible to honor your parents.
 
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My mom (an NT) has one personality trait that really irritates me sometimes. She seems to have this unnecessarily high concern for what is socially appropriate and what "looks nice" to the point where she may stubbornly say I can't or shouldn't do something because it appears (to her) to be socially inappropriate or ugly/gross etc.

For example, I care about and love birds a lot. There's a woodpecker species that is declining across the US because as urban development increases, people chop down all their dead trees. Literally all that would need to be done is keep some of the dead trees because woodpeckers love dead trees (tons of bugs in them, which they eat by pecking through the wood). Throughout the time we've lived at this one house, our large backyard has had several trees die on us. They've all been removed. I don't know if our neighborhood requires it, but it's made the woodpeckers stop appearing. I once asked my Mom why we couldn't have kept the dead trees. "They don't look nice" was her reply. I was expecting something more reasonable, but apparently the livelihood of animals is less important to her than making she other people don't tsk-tsk at her for having a dead tree in the yard. For the record, none of her friends go out there. Hardly anyone would notice or care if we had dead trees unless there was a neighborhood rule against it. Our backyard is kind of a wild space--the neighborhood kind of kept some of the wild areas when it was developed.

Another time I had left some birdseed and bird feeder cleaning tools out on our screen porch. She told me to move them and hide them under an outdoor shelf so that the man who was coming over to inspect our roof for repairs wouldn't see it. Turns out, he never went out onto the porch. He stayed inside and inspected all of the "problem areas" on our ceiling. Why was she so concerned about a few objects being out of sight? He never went out there and he neve saw them.

And of course, she's majorly into fashion. I can't wear this because it's "not what people your age wear". Or I can't wear this because "the colors don't match", or some other thing. It doesn't matter if people can or can't see it--she'll insist on all of this petty stuff.

Am I in the wrong here? Maybe I'm making too big a deal out of this, but I don't understand why my mother has all of these strange priorities that revolve around how other people perceive her or the family. I'm sick of having to care what other people think about me; it just makes me anxious and sorry for myself for having what I could call "failed social interactions".
I'm a mother G,
here's what I can tell you for sure:

1. Your mom is rather obsessed with cleanliness.
2. She likes things to look nice and maybe takes it to an extreme.
3. Your mother will not change. We moms are too old to change!

So you're going to have to thank God that she's a pretty good mom...keep in mind that she could have been A LOT worse and pray for those that have those worse mothers that ruin the lives of their children.

Remember that she's only human and learn to accept her as she is. She's really not harming you in any way.

 
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I don't know really. I would say prioritising status, is highly important in agreeable cultures. West Germans or Chinese, for example.

Perhaps you can't. You want something better for the wildlife. Your mother cares much more about her status.
 
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I'm a mother G,
here's what I can tell you for sure:

1. Your mom is rather obsessed with cleanliness.
2. She likes things to look nice and maybe takes it to an extreme.
3. Your mother will not change. We moms are too old to change!

So you're going to have to thank God that she's a pretty good mom...keep in mind that she could have been A LOT worse and pray for those that have those worse mothers that ruin the lives of their children.

Remember that she's only human and learn to accept her as she is. She's really not harming you in any way.

Excellent post.
 
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Am I in the wrong here? Maybe I'm making too big a deal out of this, but I don't understand why my mother has all of these strange priorities that revolve around how other people perceive her or the family. I'm sick of having to care what other people think about me; it just makes me anxious and sorry for myself for having what I could call "failed social interactions".
Should I assume that you are the one on the Autism Spectrum? So is my grandson.
 
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I wonder if your mother would agree for you to have a "garden area" in the backyard that is specially designed to attract wildlife. Provided that it looked nice and not like she was just neglecting her yard, she might not mind a dead tree or log worked into the design along with a few feeders for birds, squirrels, and whatever else you might want to visit. I agree that it really shouldn't matter, but that's apparently how she is and she's unlikely to change, so you'll need to work around it and work with her if it's her house and property.
 
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My mom (an NT) has one personality trait that really irritates me sometimes. She seems to have this unnecessarily high concern for what is socially appropriate and what "looks nice" to the point where she may stubbornly say I can't or shouldn't do something because it appears (to her) to be socially inappropriate or ugly/gross etc.

I assume you mean a Myer's Briggs NT. If so I can understand that, I am an INTJ. The behavior is itself actually the substance of the SJ traditionalist group of personality types. However many people who are NTs may have been burned in their earlier years where they were stigmatized etc and may have become hypersensitive to this sort of thing. But they may try to pass on what they have experienced so you don't have the same problems. I know I have grown to greatly consider other people's impression of me, after a number of problems and incidents of life, but that sort of thing however is completely opposite of what the typical INTJ would do and I approached life much differently in my younger years.
 
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I assume you mean a Myer's Briggs NT. If so I can understand that, I am an INTJ. The behavior is itself actually the substance of the SJ traditionalist group of personality types. However many people who are NTs may have been burned in their earlier years where they were stigmatized etc and may have become hypersensitive to this sort of thing. But they may try to pass on what they have experienced so you don't have the same problems. I know I have grown to greatly consider other people's impression of me, after a number of problems and incidents of life, but that sort of thing however is completely opposite of what the typical INTJ would do and I approached life much differently in my younger years.
I meant "neurotypical". It's a term used to basically mean anyone who doesn't have Asperger's/autism. I don't know if my mom was ever stigmatized for breaking some social rule in the past. My best guess is that it's part of the culture she was raised in, that I was also raised in. Her parents taught her, she taught me, etc. It's not necessarily a bad thing, it's just that sometimes I don't understand it, and I think it's because I have Asperger's.
 
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Should I assume that you are the one on the Autism Spectrum? So is my grandson.
Yes. I posted it here to try and get help from people familiar with it.
 
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I'm a mother G,
here's what I can tell you for sure:

1. Your mom is rather obsessed with cleanliness.
2. She likes things to look nice and maybe takes it to an extreme.
3. Your mother will not change. We moms are too old to change!

So you're going to have to thank God that she's a pretty good mom...keep in mind that she could have been A LOT worse and pray for those that have those worse mothers that ruin the lives of their children.

Remember that she's only human and learn to accept her as she is. She's really not harming you in any way.

Thank you. My mom is kind and loving, I just don't understand why sometimes she'll be very insistent I do this one thing because otherwise I'm committing some sort of social taboo. To me, it makes no sense to care because if anyone is judging her or me because of it, they're not explicitly saying anything to me. I can't pick on social cues so unless someone is very obvious about it I won't know why they're upset with me. I think that she thinks she's doing right by telling me these things, but to me it's just felt like unnecessary rules.
 
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I should also add that I'm trying to get a job and become more independent. I won't have to deal with this forever, but I do want to be able to be on good terms with my parents after I leave their house.
 
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And of course, she's majorly into fashion. I can't wear this because it's "not what people your age wear". Or I can't wear this because "the colors don't match", or some other thing. It doesn't matter if people can or can't see it--she'll insist on all of this petty stuff.

My mom does the same thing. She insists on not wearing shorts. "People don't wear shorts." Why does she care? This is Florida - a place where the air conditioner runs from April to October. She should want me to wear shorts.

There is a related issue I want to discuss, but I am not sure the COC would allow it.
 
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Thank you. My mom is kind and loving, I just don't understand why sometimes she'll be very insistent I do this one thing because otherwise I'm committing some sort of social taboo. To me, it makes no sense to care because if anyone is judging her or me because of it, they're not explicitly saying anything to me. I can't pick on social cues so unless someone is very obvious about it I won't know why they're upset with me. I think that she thinks she's doing right by telling me these things, but to me it's just felt like unnecessary rules.

The problem is our moms worry about what others think of us. My mom does not want anybody to think I am weird because I look weird. She says she is helping me and trying to work with me by saying that but I will never believe it because people are still nice to me anyway - or are complete strangers who have no reason to interact with me even if I was completely normal.

Has your mom ever explained why she is so obsessed with acting and appearng normal in public? What is an examjple of this situation besides clothing?
 
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Thank you. My mom is kind and loving, I just don't understand why sometimes she'll be very insistent I do this one thing because otherwise I'm committing some sort of social taboo. To me, it makes no sense to care because if anyone is judging her or me because of it, they're not explicitly saying anything to me. I can't pick on social cues so unless someone is very obvious about it I won't know why they're upset with me. I think that she thinks she's doing right by telling me these things, but to me it's just felt like unnecessary rules.
I think it might be because of the very fact that you can't pick up on social cues that your mom is trying to teach you something very important:
People do tend to consider you by the way you look.
If you look clean and neat people get a certain impression of you which is good. It could also work the opposite way.

It's not an unnecessary rule...think of the work your mom must go through trying to teach you all the right things. Maybe when you get older you'll understand more. I tend to think that good parents will do what is good for their kids. You said your mom is loving and warm, so I'd tend to trust her if I were you.

You know, it's a lot easier to just let a kid grow how they want to and make mistakes. It takes a loving parent to put in the time and effort to try to teach their children what is good in life - whether that child has problems or not.

Some rules are good....
 
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There is a huge difference between looking "nice" by wearing clean clothes and being told to wear certain types of clothing when it should not matter. How does it help me to wear the same things other people do or not wear what other people don't?
 
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