President Trump abruptly yanks sanctions on North Korea because he 'likes' dictator Kim Jong Un

tulc said:

Wait...are you saying President Trump is in office because of "Gods sovereign will"? Doesn't that mean President Obama was President for 8 years (was as well as winning with a majority of the popular vote)? If so, why did so many American Evangelical dislike him so much?
tulc(is just curious)

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Both Trump and Obama was installed in subjection to God's sovereign will.

I believe God's sovereign will pertains to those decrees to which His creation conforms. I understand God's desirous and permissive will to be encompassed in His sovereign will.

I believe it was God's permissive will for Obama's installation. That installation occurred as a result of failure of the Church. God desires particular standards to be fulfilled. When there is failure resulting from a lack of knowledge or negligence or even knowledgeable rebellion, then God will permit and/or afford certain accommodation. So for example, divorce was not God's desirous will, but according to his permissive will He allowed it as an accommodation to man's weakness/failure. Such accommodation is not explicit approval of any resulting evil nor conditions of such weakness/failure. So if God would have denied the divorce outright, then that would have probably created one or more greater evils than allowing divorce, given man's lack of spiritual formation and maturity and thus understanding. B may be better than C even though God may desire A. A genuine Christian president is better than an Obama, however, there is something in between. So even though it is according to God's desirous will to install a genuine Christian leader for the nation, if such a person has no chance of being elected because of a lack of understanding, negligence and/or knowledgeable rebellion in the Church, then B is better that C. It is according to God's sovereign decree/will that true good in the nations be brought forth through the work of the Saints of God. If the Church fails in such, then certain evil will come forth in subjection to God's permissive will.

tulc said:

so the guy who was in office before this President, the one with one wife and who never cheated on his wife (or in president Trumps case "wives") with a inappropriate content star who he then paid to keep quiet, was bad but the serial adulterer, liar and all round low life, is the "moral high ground"? I suspect one of us is unclear on what "moral high ground" means.

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Law and policy.

In terms of law and policy, who has done more for the Christian agenda in the world, Obama or Trump? Of course, Trump.

AACJ said:

God is not going to install a genuine Christian president if much of the Church does not care and/or believe enough to pray such a president into office.

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Haven't you noticed that in the USA a President is not prayed into office" S/he is voted into office by the people and sometimes they make a mistake.

tulc said:

"Christian agenda" or "Republican American Evangelical conservative" agenda? Because they aren't the same thing. I'd say "RAEc" yes, Christian though? Not even sort of.

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Indeed. A minority of prominent evangelicals, less wedded to a particular politics, have even said the Trump election has made their jobs more difficult in terms of witnessing to and proclaming the Gospel.

AACJ said:

No other president in recent history has done as much to further the Christian agenda in the US than Trump and his supporters.

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Motive?

JackRT said:

Haven't you noticed that in the USA a President is not prayed into office" S/he is voted into office by the people and sometimes they make a mistake.

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Have you not noticed what Scripture says concerning God choosing to largely work through the work (prayers, preaching, etc.) of the Saints to effect good in the world including politics?

FireDragon76 said:

Indeed. A minority of prominent evangelicals, less wedded to a particular politics, have even said the Trump election has made their jobs more difficult in terms of witnessing to and proclaming the Gospel.

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You can help alleviate such difficulty by directing them to this thread to be informed. When informed, such difficulty is unnecessary. Unless of course they have trouble with Scriptural Truth.

tulc said:

I suspect one of us is unclear on what "moral high ground" means.

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I suspect it means status to some.

AACJ said:

In terms of law and policy, who has done more for the Christian agenda in the world, Obama or Trump? Of course, Trump.

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In terms of your law and policy, No favouritism or agenda of any religious group is allowed in government and Obama did a good job of following that did he not?

If Trump as a president were to live his life putting the will of God before his own and loving all as self that would be fine. But to single out and promote a religion no.

The governance of man and the governance of God are two opposing entities. Even God says they can't be mixed but presented separate and chosen.

As we often see, man and especially governments use God to justify their actions rather than change to suit the will of God.

tulc said:

The idea of President Trump and the word truth together ...

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Your own convolution, emojis notwithstanding.

ilovejcsog said:

He's not a miracle worker.

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He's not a worker at all:

A few months ago, Jonathan Swan wrote about the president’s schedule. It includes a lot of “executive time” that is set aside for watching television and tweeting from the White House residence. Generally, Trump’s work day doesn’t start until about 11 a.m. Here’s an example of how it goes from there:

On Tuesday, Trump has his first meeting of the day with Chief of Staff John Kelly at 11am. He then has “Executive Time” for an hour followed by an hour lunch in the private dining room. Then it’s another 1 hour 15 minutes of “Executive Time” followed by a 45 minute meeting with National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster. Then another 15 minutes of “Executive Time” before Trump takes his last meeting of the day — a 3:45pm meeting with the head of Presidential Personnel Johnny DeStefano — before ending his official day at 4:15pm.

After reviewing the president’s actual schedule, Swan said that is pretty typical. So the president actually works less than five hours a day. But it doesn’t stop there. Most weeks, Trump leaves for golfing at one of his properties on Friday, which means that he usually has a four-day work week. Even without all of the “executive time” scattered in between other things, that means he generally works less than 20 hours a week. No wonder he doesn’t have time for those lengthy, detailed security briefings!

...Along with everything else that makes him unfit for office, Trump is simply lazy.
https://washingtonmonthly.com/2018/08/23/trump-thinks-the-presidency-is-a-part-time-job/

The Barbarian said:

He's not a worker at all:

A few months ago, Jonathan Swan wrote about the president’s schedule. It includes a lot of “executive time” that is set aside for watching television and tweeting from the White House residence. Generally, Trump’s work day doesn’t start until about 11 a.m. Here’s an example of how it goes from there:

On Tuesday, Trump has his first meeting of the day with Chief of Staff John Kelly at 11am. He then has “Executive Time” for an hour followed by an hour lunch in the private dining room. Then it’s another 1 hour 15 minutes of “Executive Time” followed by a 45 minute meeting with National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster. Then another 15 minutes of “Executive Time” before Trump takes his last meeting of the day — a 3:45pm meeting with the head of Presidential Personnel Johnny DeStefano — before ending his official day at 4:15pm.

After reviewing the president’s actual schedule, Swan said that is pretty typical. So the president actually works less than five hours a day. But it doesn’t stop there. Most weeks, Trump leaves for golfing at one of his properties on Friday, which means that he usually has a four-day work week. Even without all of the “executive time” scattered in between other things, that means he generally works less than 20 hours a week. No wonder he doesn’t have time for those lengthy, detailed security briefings!

...Along with everything else that makes him unfit for office, Trump is simply lazy.
https://washingtonmonthly.com/2018/08/23/trump-thinks-the-presidency-is-a-part-time-job/

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Remember his campaign promise to be a working president and not waste time on golf and vacations?

I do.

JackRT said:

Remember his campaign promise to be a working president and not waste time on golf and vacations?

I do.

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Wait! You're saying Trump broke a promise?

He works hard on Twitter. Some Presidents are figure heads acting like arm chair politicians in forums, some more hands on and knowledgeable.

I think it is humorous that God seems to have decreed, ok folks, you like your right/left thinking so much, I am going to removed the ability to understand and compromise from you until you learn the destructive values of your ways. From now in you shall be either right or left with no gray areas and none shall prosper.