Help for the LEGALIST

DeepWater · May 1, 2019

"Study to show thyself approved unto GOD", is the way God teaches you to "rightly divide the word of God".
So, here we go.

Legalist....

Lets do a bible study that "compares scripture with scripture".

..... Grace vs Legalism
-----

Let start with Ephesians 2:15 that teaches that the Law is Abolished by Christ//Cross.
Then you can follow up with Colossians 2:14 which explains it again.
Next, go to 2nd Corinthians 3:7 2nd Corinthians 3:11 and you'll read where the "stone" commandments, the law, are now described as ministers of "death", that they administer DEATH, (not life) and the "stone" commandments are obviously the 10 Commandments.
So, you have all of this "abolished" on the Cross, in the FLESH of Jesus, as stated in the New Testament.

Then, you have the verse that tells you that you are "no longer UNDER the Law" Romans 6:14.
And also we are shown in Romans 3:21, that our Salvation - Redemption, (Righteousness) is APART from the Law, and not connected to the Law.
Be sure to understand this phase....."our righteousness is APART from the LAW".
This is because our righteousness is.. "we are MADE the righteousness of God > thru CHRIST".
Be sure to realize clearly the word "MADE", in this verse...
2 Corinthians 5:21

Now, All this is simply teaching us, that before we were born again, we were being Judged by the law, but now we are not, because Jesus has abolished all this by His Blood and by His Cross.
We are now "under Grace", and this means the law has no more power to judge us as sinners, because the Blood of Jesus has taken its place and this is explained in Romans 10:4, where you are shown that "Christ is the end of the LAW.........> for righteousness."
Now did you get that part that says....."Christ is the end of the Law"?
And who is Christ?......Isn't He God?
So, when you want to be righteous, you have to deal only with the one who is THE END of the Law......and that is God, who is Christ.

And here is the 2nd part of this understanding of How Christ as God has removed the Law - commandments, from us ..
Romans 8:2......Which says that Jesus has established another and final law for righteousness, that makes you free from the law of commandments......which are described as DEATH. 2 Corinthians 3:7 and are not gone. 2 Corinthians 3:11
This new law that a born again believer exists WITHIN, "in Christ", is explained by the verse, Romans 8:2 like this..

> through Christ Jesus, the law of the Spirit who gives life,....= has set you free from the law of sin and death. (commandments and Law).
The law of sin and death is the Commandments-Law that no longer have the power to judge you and condemn you as UNHOLY, before God, IF you are born again.
If you are not, then the law is still in effect, judging you as Lost - Unsaved, Damned, currently. John 3:36

Understand that The law (10 commandments) itself has no ability to do anything, but show you your sin and your sinfulness........as it can only JUDGE YOU as guilty before God, till Christ redeems you from the "curse of the Law"... Galatians 3:13
That is why it was created by God. To (judge us) = reveal our sinfulness, in comparison with God's Holiness.
And its because of the Law, (commandments) that we understand that we are not Holy, and from this understanding the scripture tells us that what the Law is doing for us, is "become our schoolmaster that LEADS us or shows us our NEED to be saved... Galatians 3:24
""Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith."
So, as you can READ, the law-commandments is not given to save you, its given to show you YOUR NEED to be saved by the SAVIOR, Christ Jesus.
Understand?
And the reason this verse says..."WAS our schoolmaster" is because its no longer in effect, to judge us, as we are "not under the law, but UNDER GRACE".
The Law, is designed to prove our "fallen state"...and did...and that we need to correct this, Galatians 3:24 and that is Why God as Jesus The Christ came.....He came to correct our "lost condition" that is REVEALED to us by the LAW Galatians 3:24 that shows us what we are, AS COMPARED, to God's Holiness.
Understand?
Listen....its the law - 10 commandments -= that show you your lost condition, your fallen condition, your unholy condition. > Its PURPOSE.
That is why God gave it to you.
The Law-10 commandments is a reflection of God's holiness, that reveals to you your unholiness, and does this not to save you, but to LEAD you to the SAVIOR.........leads you to God's Grace, which is God on a Cross paying for your sin, so that He can Accept you if you BELIEVE...... And to be accepted by God, through the Cross, is SALVATION, is the GRACE OF GOD......is the Blood Atonement, is REDEMPTION.
Galatians 3:24 shows you where you need to go to get SAVED.

Now, were the confusion often comes in , = regarding the Law-commandments and how Legalists misuse it against Grace.....

> A legalist believes that by keeping the law, (commandments) they are keeping themselves saved.
They do not understand the purpose of the Law and Commandments...... Galatians 3:24. nor do they accept it, when they are told.
So for the legalist, keeping the Law and Commandments, has become THE WAY they believe they maintain God's acceptance-approval of them.
Paul, in Galatians says, that they are "in the flesh", and have "fallen from Grace".
The idea of a born again person being "in the flesh", as it's explained in Galatians, is that they do not believe or Trust that Jesus keeps them saved, so they have "gone back", ... they have left their In Christ alone Faith, and are now trusting in themselves to stay saved, by keeping commandments and worrying about the LAW.
Understand that Trusting in commandment keeping - law keeping... to be accepted by God, is rejecting (Grace) ... God's ONLY method for you to be accepted by Him.
God's acceptance of a person is only through the CROSS... is "Grace"... but the Legalist has gone away from this, (fallen from it),(fallen from Grace) and they are now trusting in the self effort of commandment-law keeping.....as their way they believe that God will accept them, if they continue doing it, and this is why they only talk about the law and commandments on forums like this one. They can't talk about Grace, because they are "fallen from Grace".
Understand?
Paul teaches that this reverting back to trusting in laws and commandments instead of ONLY trusting in Christ to save you and keep you saved....(Grace) is to be "in the flesh".
Now this verse is key......Galatians 3:3....>Paul is asking a Legalist....."are you so foolish that after you have been redeemed by Christ's Blood alone, (Grace) that you now turn from this and go back and trust the Law AND KEEPING THE 10 COMMANDMENTS to keep you saved"? (Fallen from Grace)
See it?
Most Legalist can't, and dont care to look, actually.

Also...
A born again person, OSAS... recognizes the 10 commandments and many other similar bible "don't do's", that we obey everyday, because we understand these are our boundaries, regarding our behavior., and when the bible tells us to "be holy as God is holy", then we understand that the Holiness of God, is shown as the 10 commandments, etc.
So, living our lives within these boundaries, is wisdom, is protection.
But what its not, (Keeping the 10 commandments and The Law) is NOT our Salvation or our Redemption.
We understand Galatians 3:24
We OSAS, understand that we are "no longer under the law but are under GRACE", Romans 6:14 which means that for the born again, the 10 commandments and the Law are only our HOLY guidelines that we are to realize that God provided...= as our (Christian Discipleship) lifestyle - behavioral boundaries... = They are not able to redeem us, but they protect us from the consequences of living outside them.
So, we don't.

Finally...
So, what is the difference in interpretation between someone who understands Grace, OSAS.... and someone who does not understand it, or has fallen from it, the Legalist, when both think about and recognize the Law and the 10 Commandments. ?>??

Well, the OSAS, understands that we are to realize and obey the 10 commandments ONLY as our behavioral boundaries... our Lifestyle boundary.......and to live outside them, to break them by our behavior, is to harm our lives and this also displease God. But, we understand that these same 10 commandments and other Laws, have no power to redeem us, or make us right with God, or keep us saved.
OSAS, understands and BELIEVES that = Only the shed Blood of God as Jesus on the Cross has the power to save, to keep you saved, and to cleanse you from all your sin, continually.
This is Redemption, and the Law and the 10 Commandments, can't ever do this.....not ever.

The Legalist, on the other hand, keeps the law and 10 commandments, for all of those same LIFESTYLE reasons, but they also trust these laws and commandments as their way to be SAVED and to Stay saved, instead of ONLY trusting in Christ alone for Redemption.
Understand that if you don't also trust Christ and Christ alone to keep you saved, then you are not trusting in Christ, at all.

HTacianas · May 1, 2019

DeepWater said:
"Study to show thyself approved unto GOD", is the way God teaches you to "rightly divide the word of God".
So, here we go.

Legalist....
You can start with Ephesians 2:15 that teaches that the Law is Abolished by Christ//Cross.
Then you can follow up with Colossians 2:14 which explains it again.
Next, go to 2nd Corinthians 3:7 & 11, and you'll read where the "stone" commandments, the law, are now described as ministers of "death", that they administer DEATH, and the "stone" commandments are the 10 Commandments.
So, you have all of this "abolished" on the Cross, in the FLESH of Jesus, as stated in the New Testament.

Then, you have the verse that tells you that you are "no longer UNDER the Law" Romans 6:14.
And also we are shown in Romans 3:21, that our Salvation - Redemption, (Righteousness) is APART from the Law, and not connected to the Law.
Be sure to understand this phase....."our righteousness is APART from the LAW".
This is because our righteousness is.. "we are MADE the righteousness of God > thru CHRIST".
Be sure to realize clearly the word "MADE", in this verse. 2nd Corinthians 5:21

Now, All this is simply teaching us, that before we were born again, we were being Judged by the law, but now we are not, because Jesus has abolished all this by His Blood and by His Cross.
We are now "under Grace", and this means the law has no more power to judge us as sinners, because the Blood of Jesus has taken its place and this is explained in Romans 10:4, where you are shown that "Christ is the end of the LAW.........> for righteousness."
Now did you get that part that says....."Christ is the end of the Law"?
And who is Christ?......Isn't He God?
So, when you want to be righteous, you have to deal only with the one who is THE END of the Law......and that is God, who is Christ.

And here is the 2nd part of this understanding of How Christ as God has removed the Law - commandments, from us ..
Romans 8:2......Which says that Jesus has established another and final law for righteousness, that makes you free from the law of commandments......which are described as... 2nd Corinthians 3:7
2nd Corinthinans 3:11
This new law that a born again believer exists WITHIN, "in Christ", is explained by the verse, Romans 8:2 like this..

> through Christ Jesus, the law of the Spirit who gives life,....= has set you free from the law of sin and death. (commandments and Law).
The law of sin and death is the Commandments-Law that no longer have the power to judge you and condemn you as UNHOLY, before God.

Understand that The law (commandments) itself has no ability to do anything, but show you, your sin, and your sinfulness........as it can only JUDGE YOU as guilty before God.
That is why it was created by God. To (judge us) = reveal our sinfulness, in comparison with God's Holiness.
And its because of the Law, (commandments) that we understand that we are not Holy, and from this understanding the scripture tells us that what the Law is doing for us, is "become our schoolmaster that LEADS us or shows us our NEED to be saved... Galatians 3:24
""Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith."
So, as you can READ, the law is not given to save you, its given to show you that your need to be saved by the SAVIOR.
Understand?
And the reason this verse says..."WAS our schoolmaster" is because its no longer in effect, to judge us, as we are "not under the law, but UNDER GRACE".
The Law, is designed to prove our "fallen state"...and did...and that we need to correct this, Galatians 3:24 and that is Why God as Jesus The Christ came.....He came to correct our "lost condition" that is REVEALED to us by the LAW Galatians 3:24 that shows us what we are, AS COMPARED, to God's Holiness.
Understand?
Listen....its the law - commandments that shows you your lost condition, your fallen condition, your unholy condition.
That is why God gave it to you.
The Law-commandments is a reflection of God's holiness, that reveals to you your unholiness, and does this not to save you, but to LEAD you to the SAVIOR.........leads you to God's Grace, which is God on a Cross paying for your sin, so that He can Accept you if you BELIEVE...... And to be accepted by God, through the Cross, is SALVATION, is the GRACE OF GOD......is the Blood Atonement, is REDEMPTION.
Galatians 3:24 shows you where you need to go to get SAVED.

Now, were the confusion come in , regarding the Law-commandment, and how Legalists misuse it against Grace.....

> A legalist believes that by keeping the law, (commandments) they are keeping themselves saved.
They do not understand the purpose of the Law and Commandments...... Galatians 3:24. nor do they accept it, when they are told.
So for the legalist, keeping the Law and Commandments, has become THE WAY they believe they maintain God's acceptance-approval of them.
Paul, in Galatians says, that they are "in the flesh", and have "fallen from Grace".
The idea of a born again person being "in the flesh", as it's explained in Galatians, is that they do not believe or Trust that Jesus keeps them saved, so they have "gone back", ... they have left their In Christ alone Faith, and are now trusting in themselves to stay saved, by keeping commandments and worrying about the LAW.
Understand that Trusting in commandment keeping - law keeping... to be accepted by God, is rejecting (Grace) ... God's ONLY method for you to be accepted by Him.
God's acceptance of a person is only through the CROSS... is "Grace"... but the Legalist has gone away from this, (fallen from it),(fallen from Grace) and they are now trusting in the self effort of commandment-law keeping.....as their way they believe that God will accept them, if they continue doing it, and this is why they only talk about the law and commandments on forums like this one. They can't talk about Grace, because they are "fallen from Grace".
Understand?
Paul teaches that this reverting back to trusting in laws and commandments instead of ONLY trusting in Christ to save you and keep you saved....(Grace) is to be "in the flesh".
Now this verse is key......Galatians 3:3....>Paul is asking a Legalist....."are you so foolish that after you have been redeemed by Christ's Blood alone, (Grace) that you now turn from this and go back and trust the Law to keep you saved"? (Fallen from Grace)
See it?
Most Legalist can't, and dont care to look, actually.

Also...
A born again person, has the 10 commandments and many other similar bible "don't do's", that we obey everyday, because we understand these are our boundaries, regarding our behavior., and when the bible tells us to "be holy as God is holy", then we understand that the Holiness of God, is shown as the commandments, etc.
So, living our lives within these boundaries, is wisdom, is protection.
But what its not, (commandments and The Law) is Salvation or redemption.
We understand Galatians 3:24
We OSAS, understand that we are "no longer under the law but are under GRACE", Romans 6:14 which means that for the born again, the commandments and the Law are only guidelines that we are to realize, that God provided...as lifestyle - behavioral boundaries... = They are not able to redeem us, but they protect us from the consequences of living outside them.
So, we don't.

Finally...
So, what is the difference in interpretation between someone who understands Grace, OSAS.... and someone who does not, the Legalist, when both think about the Law and Commandments. ?>??

Well, the OSAS, understands that we are to realize and obey the 10 commandments ONLY as our behavioral boundaries... our Lifestyle boundary.......and to live outside them, to break them by our behavior, is to harm our lives and this also displease God. But, we understand that these same commandments and other Laws, have no power to redeem us, or make us right with God.
OSAS, understands and BELIEVES that = Only the shed Blood of God as Jesus on the Cross has the power to save, to keep you saved, and to cleanse you from all your sin, continually.
This is Redemption, and the Law and Commandments, can't ever do this.....not ever.

The Legalist, on the other hand, keeps the law and commandments, for all of those same LIFESTYLE reasons, but they also trust these laws and commandments as their way to be SAVED and to Stay saved, instead of ONLY trusting in Christ alone for Redemption.
Understand that if you don't also trust Christ and Christ alone to keep you saved, then you are not trusting in Christ, at all.

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1213 · May 2, 2019

DeepWater said:
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Start with Ephesians 2:15 that teaches that the Law is Abolished by Christ//Cross.
...

I think it is not correct understanding for disciples of Jesus (“Christians”) to claim the law is abolished, because Jesus says:

"Don't think that I came to destroy the law or the prophets. I didn't come to destroy, but to fulfill. For most assuredly, I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not even one smallest letter or one tiny pen stroke shall in any way pass away from the law, until all things are accomplished. Whoever, therefore, shall break one of these least commandments, and teach others to do so, shall be called least in the Kingdom of Heaven; but whoever shall do and teach them shall be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven.
Mat. 5:17-19

And I think it is important to understand that the Law is fulfilled by this way:

Owe no one anything, except to love one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law. For the commandments, "You shall not commit adultery," "You shall not murder," "You shall not steal," "You shall not give false testimony," "You shall not covet," [TR adds "You shall not give false testimony,"] and whatever other commandments there are, are all summed up in this saying, namely, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." Love doesn't harm a neighbor. Love therefore is the fulfillment of the law.
Romans 13:8-10

But, this doesn’t mean that forgiveness or eternal life would be reward for good acts.

Grip Docility · May 2, 2019

DeepWater said:
"Study to show thyself approved unto GOD", is the way God teaches you to "rightly divide the word of God".
So, here we go.

Legalist....

Lets do a bible study that "compares scripture with scripture".

..... Grace vs Legalism
-----

Let start with Ephesians 2:15 that teaches that the Law is Abolished by Christ//Cross.
Then you can follow up with Colossians 2:14 which explains it again.
Next, go to 2nd Corinthians 3:7 2nd Corinthians 3:11 and you'll read where the "stone" commandments, the law, are now described as ministers of "death", that they administer DEATH, (not life) and the "stone" commandments are obviously the 10 Commandments.
So, you have all of this "abolished" on the Cross, in the FLESH of Jesus, as stated in the New Testament.

Then, you have the verse that tells you that you are "no longer UNDER the Law" Romans 6:14.
And also we are shown in Romans 3:21, that our Salvation - Redemption, (Righteousness) is APART from the Law, and not connected to the Law.
Be sure to understand this phase....."our righteousness is APART from the LAW".
This is because our righteousness is.. "we are MADE the righteousness of God > thru CHRIST".
Be sure to realize clearly the word "MADE", in this verse...
2 Corinthians 5:21

Now, All this is simply teaching us, that before we were born again, we were being Judged by the law, but now we are not, because Jesus has abolished all this by His Blood and by His Cross.
We are now "under Grace", and this means the law has no more power to judge us as sinners, because the Blood of Jesus has taken its place and this is explained in Romans 10:4, where you are shown that "Christ is the end of the LAW.........> for righteousness."
Now did you get that part that says....."Christ is the end of the Law"?
And who is Christ?......Isn't He God?
So, when you want to be righteous, you have to deal only with the one who is THE END of the Law......and that is God, who is Christ.

And here is the 2nd part of this understanding of How Christ as God has removed the Law - commandments, from us ..
Romans 8:2......Which says that Jesus has established another and final law for righteousness, that makes you free from the law of commandments......which are described as DEATH. 2 Corinthians 3:7 and are not gone. 2 Corinthians 3:11
This new law that a born again believer exists WITHIN, "in Christ", is explained by the verse, Romans 8:2 like this..

> through Christ Jesus, the law of the Spirit who gives life,....= has set you free from the law of sin and death. (commandments and Law).
The law of sin and death is the Commandments-Law that no longer have the power to judge you and condemn you as UNHOLY, before God, IF you are born again.
If you are not, then the law is still in effect, judging you as Lost - Unsaved, Damned, currently. John 3:36

Understand that The law (10 commandments) itself has no ability to do anything, but show you your sin and your sinfulness........as it can only JUDGE YOU as guilty before God, till Christ redeems you from the "curse of the Law"... Galatians 3:13
That is why it was created by God. To (judge us) = reveal our sinfulness, in comparison with God's Holiness.
And its because of the Law, (commandments) that we understand that we are not Holy, and from this understanding the scripture tells us that what the Law is doing for us, is "become our schoolmaster that LEADS us or shows us our NEED to be saved... Galatians 3:24
""Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith."
So, as you can READ, the law-commandments is not given to save you, its given to show you YOUR NEED to be saved by the SAVIOR, Christ Jesus.
Understand?
And the reason this verse says..."WAS our schoolmaster" is because its no longer in effect, to judge us, as we are "not under the law, but UNDER GRACE".
The Law, is designed to prove our "fallen state"...and did...and that we need to correct this, Galatians 3:24 and that is Why God as Jesus The Christ came.....He came to correct our "lost condition" that is REVEALED to us by the LAW Galatians 3:24 that shows us what we are, AS COMPARED, to God's Holiness.
Understand?
Listen....its the law - 10 commandments -= that show you your lost condition, your fallen condition, your unholy condition. > Its PURPOSE.
That is why God gave it to you.
The Law-10 commandments is a reflection of God's holiness, that reveals to you your unholiness, and does this not to save you, but to LEAD you to the SAVIOR.........leads you to God's Grace, which is God on a Cross paying for your sin, so that He can Accept you if you BELIEVE...... And to be accepted by God, through the Cross, is SALVATION, is the GRACE OF GOD......is the Blood Atonement, is REDEMPTION.
Galatians 3:24 shows you where you need to go to get SAVED.

Now, were the confusion often comes in , = regarding the Law-commandments and how Legalists misuse it against Grace.....

> A legalist believes that by keeping the law, (commandments) they are keeping themselves saved.
They do not understand the purpose of the Law and Commandments...... Galatians 3:24. nor do they accept it, when they are told.
So for the legalist, keeping the Law and Commandments, has become THE WAY they believe they maintain God's acceptance-approval of them.
Paul, in Galatians says, that they are "in the flesh", and have "fallen from Grace".
The idea of a born again person being "in the flesh", as it's explained in Galatians, is that they do not believe or Trust that Jesus keeps them saved, so they have "gone back", ... they have left their In Christ alone Faith, and are now trusting in themselves to stay saved, by keeping commandments and worrying about the LAW.
Understand that Trusting in commandment keeping - law keeping... to be accepted by God, is rejecting (Grace) ... God's ONLY method for you to be accepted by Him.
God's acceptance of a person is only through the CROSS... is "Grace"... but the Legalist has gone away from this, (fallen from it),(fallen from Grace) and they are now trusting in the self effort of commandment-law keeping.....as their way they believe that God will accept them, if they continue doing it, and this is why they only talk about the law and commandments on forums like this one. They can't talk about Grace, because they are "fallen from Grace".
Understand?
Paul teaches that this reverting back to trusting in laws and commandments instead of ONLY trusting in Christ to save you and keep you saved....(Grace) is to be "in the flesh".
Now this verse is key......Galatians 3:3....>Paul is asking a Legalist....."are you so foolish that after you have been redeemed by Christ's Blood alone, (Grace) that you now turn from this and go back and trust the Law AND KEEPING THE 10 COMMANDMENTS to keep you saved"? (Fallen from Grace)
See it?
Most Legalist can't, and dont care to look, actually.

Also...
A born again person, OSAS... recognizes the 10 commandments and many other similar bible "don't do's", that we obey everyday, because we understand these are our boundaries, regarding our behavior., and when the bible tells us to "be holy as God is holy", then we understand that the Holiness of God, is shown as the 10 commandments, etc.
So, living our lives within these boundaries, is wisdom, is protection.
But what its not, (Keeping the 10 commandments and The Law) is NOT our Salvation or our Redemption.
We understand Galatians 3:24
We OSAS, understand that we are "no longer under the law but are under GRACE", Romans 6:14 which means that for the born again, the 10 commandments and the Law are only our HOLY guidelines that we are to realize that God provided...= as our (Christian Discipleship) lifestyle - behavioral boundaries... = They are not able to redeem us, but they protect us from the consequences of living outside them.
So, we don't.

Finally...
So, what is the difference in interpretation between someone who understands Grace, OSAS.... and someone who does not understand it, or has fallen from it, the Legalist, when both think about and recognize the Law and the 10 Commandments. ?>??

Well, the OSAS, understands that we are to realize and obey the 10 commandments ONLY as our behavioral boundaries... our Lifestyle boundary.......and to live outside them, to break them by our behavior, is to harm our lives and this also displease God. But, we understand that these same 10 commandments and other Laws, have no power to redeem us, or make us right with God, or keep us saved.
OSAS, understands and BELIEVES that = Only the shed Blood of God as Jesus on the Cross has the power to save, to keep you saved, and to cleanse you from all your sin, continually.
This is Redemption, and the Law and the 10 Commandments, can't ever do this.....not ever.

The Legalist, on the other hand, keeps the law and 10 commandments, for all of those same LIFESTYLE reasons, but they also trust these laws and commandments as their way to be SAVED and to Stay saved, instead of ONLY trusting in Christ alone for Redemption.
Understand that if you don't also trust Christ and Christ alone to keep you saved, then you are not trusting in Christ, at all.

No joke, this is the single best condensed explanation of this I have ever read!

Amen!

The responses you are receiving are epic and telling of how misunderstood what is written is.

2 humorous statements in the Love of Christ to you...

1) Paul, you have studied yourself into madness!
2) So you’re saying Christ is a promoter of sin??? (Galatians humor)

All Love and Grace in Jesus Christ to you!!!

Soyeong · May 3, 2019

DeepWater said:
Let start with Ephesians 2:15 that teaches that the Law is Abolished by Christ//Cross.

All of God's laws are eternal (Psalm 119:160), which means that none of them will ever be abolished. In Matthew 5:17, Jesus specifically said that he came not to abolish the Law, but to fulfill it, and in Romans 3:31, Paul confirmed that our faith does not abolish the Law, but rather our faith upholds it. In Titus 2:14, it does not say that Jesus gave himself to abolish the Law, but in order to redeem us from all Lawlessness.

God did not make any mistakes, so He had no need to break down His own Law and He did not give His Law for the purpose of creating a dividing wall of hostility, but rather His Law instructs us to love our neighbor as ourselves. In Ephesians 2:10, we have been made new creations in Christ for the purpose of doing good works, so it wouldn't make any sense to interpret 2:15 as saying that Christ did away with his eternal instructions for how to do good works, so I see no good reason to interpret it as speaking about God's Law.

Then you can follow up with Colossians 2:14 which explains it again.

Whenever someone was crucified, the people would write out a sign that listed the charges that were against them and nail it to their cross in order to announce why they were being executed. This serves as a perfect analogy for the list of our sins being nailed to Christ's cross and with him dying in our polace to pay the penalty for our sins, but has nothing to do with ending any of God's eternal laws.

Next, go to 2nd Corinthians 3:7 2nd Corinthians 3:11 and you'll read where the "stone" commandments, the law, are now described as ministers of "death", that they administer DEATH, (not life) and the "stone" commandments are obviously the 10 Commandments.
So, you have all of this "abolished" on the Cross, in the FLESH of Jesus, as stated in the New Testament.

In Deuteronomy 30:15-20, obedience to God's Law brings life and a blessing while disobedience brings death and a curse, so the fact that the Law is a ministry of death for those who refuse to submit to it is not a very good reason to do that. Changing the medium upon which God's Law is written from being written on stone to being written our hearts does not change the content of what is requires us to do.

Then, you have the verse that tells you that you are "no longer UNDER the Law" Romans 6:14.

In Romans 6:14, it specifies that the law that we are not under was one where sin had dominion over us, which could not be referring to God's Law because Romans 7:7 says that God's Law is not sinful, but rather it is the law of sin where sin had dominion over us. In Romans 6:15, being under grace doesn't mean that we are permitted to sin, and in 1 John 3:4, sin is defined as the transgression of God's Law, so we are still under God's Law and obligated to obey it. Furthermore, everything else in Romans 6 is speaking in favor of obedience to God and against sin, so Romans 6:14 should not be interpreted as speaking against obeying God. In Psalm 119:29, David wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey His Law, so when we are under grace we are under God's Law and not under the law of sin.

And also we are shown in Romans 3:21, that our Salvation - Redemption, (Righteousness) is APART from the Law, and not connected to the Law.
Be sure to understand this phase....."our righteousness is APART from the LAW".
This is because our righteousness is.. "we are MADE the righteousness of God > thru CHRIST".
Be sure to realize clearly the word "MADE", in this verse...

In Romans 3:21-22, the Law and the Prophets testify that the righteousness of God comes through faith in Christ for everyone who believes, so this has always been the one and only way to become righteous. The fact that Law was never given for that purpose does not mean that we should not obey it for the purposes for which it was given. In Romans 3:31, Paul did not want us to conclude that our faith therefore abolishes our need to obey the Law, but rather our faith upholds the Law.

2 Corinthians 5:21

When we have a character trait, then we will express it through our actions, so when God imputes His righteousness to us and declares us to be righteous, He is also declaring us to be someone who therefore expresses His righteousness through our actions in obedience to His instructions for how to do that found in His Law. In order words, the reason that we have become the righteousness of God was not in order to hide it under a bushel, but in order to let it shine through our obedience. The reason that we are to do what is righteous in obedience to the Law was never in order to become righteous, but because we have been made righteous.

Now, All this is simply teaching us, that before we were born again, we were being Judged by the law, but now we are not, because Jesus has abolished all this by His Blood and by His Cross.

Being born again is about dying to sin and rising again to newness of life in obedience to God's Law, not about rejecting God's Law and embracing sin.

We are now "under Grace", and this means the law has no more power to judge us as sinners, because the Blood of Jesus has taken its place and this is explained in Romans 10:4, where you are shown that "Christ is the end of the LAW.........> for righteousness."
Now did you get that part that says....."Christ is the end of the Law"?
And who is Christ?......Isn't He God?
So, when you want to be righteous, you have to deal only with the one who is THE END of the Law......and that is God, who is Christ.

God's Law can't be ended for a purpose that it never had. In Romans 9:30-10:4, the Israelites had a zeal for God, but it was not based on knowledge because they did not understand that the righteousness of God only comes through faith in Christ. So they failed to obtain righteousness because they pursued the Law as through righteousness were by works in an effort to establish their own instead of pursuing the Law as through righteousness were by faith, for Christ is the goal of the Law for righteousness for everyone who has faith. In Romans 10:5-10, Paul quoted Deuteronomy 30:11-16, in regard to this faith saying that God's Law is not too difficult for us to obey, that the one who obeys it will obtain life by it, and in regard to what it means to submit to Jesus as Lord. So there is nothing in the context of this verse that even remotely suggests that Christ is ending his eternal Law, but just the opposite.

And here is the 2nd part of this understanding of How Christ as God has removed the Law - commandments, from us ..
Romans 8:2......Which says that Jesus has established another and final law for righteousness, that makes you free from the law of commandments......which are described as DEATH. 2 Corinthians 3:7 and are not gone. 2 Corinthians 3:11
This new law that a born again believer exists WITHIN, "in Christ", is explained by the verse, Romans 8:2 like this..

> through Christ Jesus, the law of the Spirit who gives life,....= has set you free from the law of sin and death. (commandments and Law).
The law of sin and death is the Commandments-Law that no longer have the power to judge you and condemn you as UNHOLY, before God, IF you are born again.

Either the Law of Christ is the same as the Law of the Spirit and the Law of the Father, which was given to Moses, or they are in disagreement about which laws we should follow. In Romans 7:21-8:2, Paul said that he delighted in obeying God's Law and served it with his mind, but contrasted that with the law of sin, which held him captive, and which he served with his flesh, so he equated God's Law with the Law of the Spirit and contrasted them both with the law of sin and death. In Romans 8:3-4, Jesus set us free from sin so that we might be free to obey God's Law and meet its righteous requirement. In Romans 8:4-7, those who walk in the Spirit are contrasted with those who have minds set on the flesh, who are enemies of God, and who refuse to submit to God's Law.

If you are not, then the law is still in effect, judging you as Lost - Unsaved, Damned, currently. John 3:36

In John 3:36, it equated believing in Jesus with obedience to the Law, not with disobedience.

Understand that The law (10 commandments) itself has no ability to do anything, but show you your sin and your sinfulness........as it can only JUDGE YOU as guilty before God, till Christ redeems you from the "curse of the Law"... Galatians 3:13

If you believe that God's Law reveals what sin is and that we should refrain from doing what God has revealed to be sin, then you should agree that we should live in obedience to it. God is not an unloving Father who gave the Law in order to curse His children, but rather He said it was given for our own good in order to bless us (Deuteronomy 6:24, 10:12-13). In Deuteronomy 30:15-20, obedience to the law brings life and a blessing while disobedience brings death and a curse, so the Law itself is not a curse, but rather being set free from the curse of the Law is being set free from living in disobedience to it so that we can be free to enjoy the blessing of the Law.

That is why it was created by God. To (judge us) = reveal our sinfulness, in comparison with God's Holiness.
And its because of the Law, (commandments) that we understand that we are not Holy, and from this understanding the scripture tells us that what the Law is doing for us, is "become our schoolmaster that LEADS us or shows us our NEED to be saved... Galatians 3:24
""Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith."
So, as you can READ, the law-commandments is not given to save you, its given to show you YOUR NEED to be saved by the SAVIOR, Christ Jesus.
Understand?
And the reason this verse says..."WAS our schoolmaster" is because its no longer in effect, to judge us, as we are "not under the law, but UNDER GRACE".
The Law, is designed to prove our "fallen state"...and did...and that we need to correct this, Galatians 3:24 and that is Why God as Jesus The Christ came.....He came to correct our "lost condition" that is REVEALED to us by the LAW Galatians 3:24 that shows us what we are, AS COMPARED, to God's Holiness.
Understand?

The purpose of the Law revealing our sin and leading us to Christ was not so that we could go back to living in sin. Now that Christ has come we have a superior teacher, but the subject matter is still how to walk in God's ways in obedience to His Law in accordance with what Christ taught us to do by word and by example.

Listen....its the law - 10 commandments -= that show you your lost condition, your fallen condition, your unholy condition. > Its PURPOSE.
That is why God gave it to you.
The Law-10 commandments is a reflection of God's holiness, that reveals to you your unholiness, and does this not to save you, but to LEAD you to the SAVIOR.........leads you to God's Grace, which is God on a Cross paying for your sin, so that He can Accept you if you BELIEVE...... And to be accepted by God, through the Cross, is SALVATION, is the GRACE OF GOD......is the Blood Atonement, is REDEMPTION.
Galatians 3:24 shows you where you need to go to get SAVED.

In 1 Peter 1:16, we are told to have a holy conduct because God is holy, so we should therefore follow God's instructions found in His Law for how to do that. In Titus 2:14, Jesus gave himself to redeem us from all Lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so if you believe in he accomplished on the cross, then that will cause you to become zealous for doing good works in obedience to God's Law (Acts 21:20) and will not cause you to trample on what he did by returning the the Lawlessness that he gave himself to redeem us from.

Now, were the confusion often comes in , = regarding the Law-commandments and how Legalists misuse it against Grace.....

> A legalist believes that by keeping the law, (commandments) they are keeping themselves saved.
They do not understand the purpose of the Law and Commandments...... Galatians 3:24. nor do they accept it, when they are told.
So for the legalist, keeping the Law and Commandments, has become THE WAY they believe they maintain God's acceptance-approval of them.

In Matthew 23:23, Jesus said that faith is one of the weightier matters of God's Law, so obedience to it is about having faith in Him to guide us and in what Jesus accomplished on the cross.

Paul, in Galatians says, that they are "in the flesh", and have "fallen from Grace".
The idea of a born again person being "in the flesh", as it's explained in Galatians, is that they do not believe or Trust that Jesus keeps them saved, so they have "gone back", ... they have left their In Christ alone Faith, and are now trusting in themselves to stay saved, by keeping commandments and worrying about the LAW.
Understand that Trusting in commandment keeping - law keeping... to be accepted by God, is rejecting (Grace) ... God's ONLY method for you to be accepted by Him.
God's acceptance of a person is only through the CROSS... is "Grace"... but the Legalist has gone away from this, (fallen from it),(fallen from Grace) and they are now trusting in the self effort of commandment-law keeping.....as their way they believe that God will accept them, if they continue doing it, and this is why they only talk about the law and commandments on forums like this one. They can't talk about Grace, because they are "fallen from Grace".
Understand?
Paul teaches that this reverting back to trusting in laws and commandments instead of ONLY trusting in Christ to save you and keep you saved....(Grace) is to be "in the flesh".
Now this verse is key......Galatians 3:3....>Paul is asking a Legalist....."are you so foolish that after you have been redeemed by Christ's Blood alone, (Grace) that you now turn from this and go back and trust the Law AND KEEPING THE 10 COMMANDMENTS to keep you saved"? (Fallen from Grace)
See it?
Most Legalist can't, and dont care to look, actually.

All throughout the Bible, God wanted His people to repent from from their sins and obey His Law, and even Christ began his ministry with that message, so it would be absurd to interpret Paul as warning us against doing that and saying that we will be cut off from Christ if we follow Christ. The bottom line is that we must obey God rather than man, so if you really think that Paul was speaking against obeying God, then you should be quicker to disregard what he said than to disregard what God has commanded. Paul was a servant of God, not His enemy, so he should not be interpreted as teaching people to rebel against what He has commanded as though it was somehow a negative thing to obey God.

Also...
A born again person, OSAS... recognizes the 10 commandments and many other similar bible "don't do's", that we obey everyday, because we understand these are our boundaries, regarding our behavior., and when the bible tells us to "be holy as God is holy", then we understand that the Holiness of God, is shown as the 10 commandments, etc.
So, living our lives within these boundaries, is wisdom, is protection.
But what its not, (Keeping the 10 commandments and The Law) is NOT our Salvation or our Redemption.
We understand Galatians 3:24
We OSAS, understand that we are "no longer under the law but are under GRACE", Romans 6:14 which means that for the born again, the 10 commandments and the Law are only our HOLY guidelines that we are to realize that God provided...= as our (Christian Discipleship) lifestyle - behavioral boundaries... = They are not able to redeem us, but they protect us from the consequences of living outside them.
So, we don't.

Finally...
So, what is the difference in interpretation between someone who understands Grace, OSAS.... and someone who does not understand it, or has fallen from it, the Legalist, when both think about and recognize the Law and the 10 Commandments. ?>??

Well, the OSAS, understands that we are to realize and obey the 10 commandments ONLY as our behavioral boundaries... our Lifestyle boundary.......and to live outside them, to break them by our behavior, is to harm our lives and this also displease God. But, we understand that these same 10 commandments and other Laws, have no power to redeem us, or make us right with God, or keep us saved.
OSAS, understands and BELIEVES that = Only the shed Blood of God as Jesus on the Cross has the power to save, to keep you saved, and to cleanse you from all your sin, continually.
This is Redemption, and the Law and the 10 Commandments, can't ever do this.....not ever.

The Legalist, on the other hand, keeps the law and 10 commandments, for all of those same LIFESTYLE reasons, but they also trust these laws and commandments as their way to be SAVED and to Stay saved, instead of ONLY trusting in Christ alone for Redemption.
Understand that if you don't also trust Christ and Christ alone to keep you saved, then you are not trusting in Christ, at all.

Our salvation is from sin (Matthew 1:21) and sin is defined as the transgression of God's Law (1 John 3:4), so being trained by grace to live in obedience to God's Law through faith is what salvation from living in disobedience to God's Law looks like. So while we are not saved by obeying God's Law, it is also true that we are not saved while refusing to repent and obey it. In Romans 2:13, Paul said that only the doers of God's Law will be justified and this is because it is only the doers of the Law who have faith.

DeepWater · May 3, 2019

1213 said:
I think it is not correct understanding for disciples of Jesus (“Christians”) to claim the law is abolished, because Jesus says:

"Don't think that I came to destroy the law or the prophets. I didn't come to destroy, but to fulfill.
.

Yes, Jesus fulfilled the law, on our behalf.
This resolves it, for us.
And because He did what we could not do, which is satisfy the Laws requirements perfectly, then He was able to abolish it, .....in other words.......by His holiness and sinlessness, He perfectly met the law's requirement....."fulfilled it"...which allowed God to remove it from US......"nailing the law to the Cross of Christ".
And that is why we are no longer UNDER IT......."you are no longer under the law but UNDER Grace".

The best way to think of it so that you can seal it in your own heart, is that Grace is now our Law.
And because of this......the Law, the 10 commandments, have no more authority to JUDGE US, as sinners.

This is the effect of the Cross, and how Grace has replaced the Law OF MOSES.
The LAW came by Moses, but GRACE AND TRUTH (the new LAW) came by Jesus The Christ.
This is the NEW Covenant.
This is the NEW TESTAMENT...written in the BLOOD OF JESUS.

What we use the 10 commandments for now, is ONLY as a lifestyle guide.
Moral boundaries.
Thats it.

DeepWater · May 3, 2019

Soyeong said:
Paul said that only the doers of God's Law will be justified .

Wrong context.
What Paul is saying, in Galatians that supports your verse...... to people like you who are substituting the Law for the Cross, or worse, = adding their commandment keeping to the Cross, (to be saved) as if Jesus's Blood isn't enough to save them by itself...LEGALISM.

So, Paul is teaching that....."if you are fallen from Grace, you are putting yourself back under the law, to KEEP IT ALL, to try to save yourself", and that won't work.
That is what you are writing, in reverse....as you are saying he is telling us that we are to work our way into heaven.
See, its one thing to prove you are a believer to other believers and the world at large, as James tells you to do, by your lifestyle.....so that you prove to US that your faith isn't dead.....but, Paul nor James tells you to do this before God to be accepted by God, as you are teaching.
You are adjusting verses, to support you idea.
"The Cross AND keeping the Law and commandments", is how God saved you, according to what you are teaching.
Sorry, no.
The Blood Of Jesus contradicts you, Soyeong.

Its always the same with Legalists......they agree that Christ on a Cross started their salvation, but then they turn to themselves (laws and commandment keeping) to STAY SAVED.

So, instead of writing another essay on the Joys of Legalism, why don't you just answer this.

Why are you not trusting in the Blood of Christ ALONE to keep you saved, and are instead trusting in keeping laws and commandments to keep yourself saved.???

Now don't write 40 more paragraphs just to avoid the question, or i'll ask you again, and again, until the readers here see that you are dodging the question.

Just answer it., honestly.
You can do that, right? Here again is the question.

Why are you not trusting in the Blood of Christ ALONE to KEEP YOU SAVED, and are instead trusting in keeping laws and commandments to keep yourself saved. ??????

Soyeong · May 3, 2019

DeepWater said:
Wrong context.
What Paul is saying, in Galatians that supports your verse...... to people like you who are substituting the Law for the Cross, or worse, = adding their commandment keeping to the Cross, (to be saved) as if Jesus's Blood isn't enough to save them by itself...LEGALISM.

So, Paul is teaching that....."if you are fallen from Grace, you are putting yourself back under the law, to KEEP IT ALL, to try to save yourself", and that won't work.
That is what you are writing, in reverse....as you are saying he is telling us that we are to work our way into heaven.
See, its one thing to prove you are a believer to other believers and the world at large, as James tells you to do, by your lifestyle.....so that you prove to US that your faith isn't dead.....but, Paul nor James tells you to do this before God to be accepted by God, as you are teaching.
You are adjusting verses, to support you idea.
"The Cross AND keeping the Law and commandments", is how God saved you, according to what you are teaching.
Sorry, no.
The Blood Of Jesus contradicts you, Soyeong.

Its always the same with Legalists......they agree that Christ on a Cross started their salvation, but then they turn to themselves (laws and commandment keeping) to STAY SAVED.

So, instead of writing another essay on the Joys of Legalism, why don't you just answer this.

Why are you not trusting in the Blood of Christ ALONE to keep you saved, and are instead trusting in keeping laws and commandments to keep yourself saved.???

Now don't write 40 more paragraphs just to avoid the question, or i'll ask you again, and again, until the readers here see that you are dodging the question.

Just answer it., honestly.
You can do that, right? Here again is the question.

Why are you not trusting in the Blood of Christ ALONE to KEEP YOU SAVED, and are instead trusting in keeping laws and commandments to keep yourself saved. ??????

Do you really think that God doesn't want His commands to be obeyed?

In Psalm 119:29, do you think that David wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him how to fall from grace? In Romans 1:5, have we received grace in order to bring about our fall from grace? In Titus 2:11-14, our salvation involve being trained by grace to do what is godly, righteous, and good, and to renounce doing what is ungodly, which is essentially what God's Law was given to instruct us how to do, so does our salvation involve being trained by grace to fall from grace? Furthermore Titus 2:14 says that Jesus gave himself both to redeem us from all Lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so if we trust in the blood of Christ alone, then we will become zealous for doing good works in obedience to God's Law (Acts 21:20 and will not return to the Lawlessness that he gave himself to redeem us from.

If God is trustworthy, then so is His Law (Psalm 19:7). In Matthew 23:23, Jesus said that faith is one of the weightier matters of the Law, so obedience to it is what it looks like to trust in the blood of Christ alone. When you refuse to repent from your disobedience to God's Law and heed the Gospel of Christ, you are saying that you don't think that He can be trusted to guide you and the blood of Christ was not sufficient to save you from living in sin. Every example of living by faith in the Bible is also an example of someone living in obedience to God's will, so the way to put our faith in Christ is not by refusing to do his will. So I have been trust in the Blood of Christ alone to keep me saved and the question is why aren't you doing that?

DeepWater · May 3, 2019

Soyeong said:
Do you really think that God doesn't want His commands to be obeyed?

So I have been trust in the Blood of Christ alone to keep me saved and my question is why aren't you doing that?

The commandment that God wants all humans to obey, is "the work of GOD is to believe on the ONE He sent".
Then Jesus as God listed a few that are related to LOVE....and that is because, when you LOVE< you don't harm.
If you love God, you wont sin against the Holy One you love.
if you love your neighbor as yourself, you wont harm your neighbor.
Yet, believing in Jesus is the only WORK a human being can do, that God will accept to save you and keep you saved using the Blood of Christ to do it, for you.

And regarding commandments....... hummmm, interesting.
Well, if you read every post i've ever written on this Forum, and all the recent Threads ive written that talk about Legalism, you'll not find one sentence that says that we should not obey the 10 Commandments.
I just wrote quite a bit about this in a recent post, explaining that the 10 Commandments are our behavioral and lifestyle personal boundary.
So, we can use and should obey the 10 commandments, but not to be saved, or to try to be save, or to try to stay saved. as when you try to stay saved using the commandments, or the Law, then you have fallen from grace, you are in the flesh, and you are committing Galatians 1:8 if you preach this message as Salvation.
WE should used the entire bible, generally as the best guide, for morality, and for personal lifestyle habits.
For me personally, as Paul told me to follow him as he follows Christ, then that is what i do.
I am totally connected to "Pauline Theology", and the doctrines in the NT< as they were given by Paul.
So, when i want to know what is what, (Doctrinally) i go to Paul, and that is where its found.

So, sure, the 10 commandments, can't save you, and breaking them all, can't cause you to go to hell, if you are born again.
See, what can't save you, can't cause you to lose your salvation.
Not only is this the truth, but its amazingly Logical.

DeepWater · May 3, 2019

Grip Docility said:
No joke, this is the single best condensed explanation of this I have ever read!

Amen!

The responses you are receiving are epic and telling of how misunderstood what is written is.

2 humorous statements in the Love of Christ to you...

1) Paul, you have studied yourself into madness!
2) So you’re saying Christ is a promoter of sin??? (Galatians humor)

All Love and Grace in Jesus Christ to you!!!

Thank you for reading the Thread.
I appreciate your comments.

Shalom, and Love&Grace in Christ, to you also.

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