Replacement Theology Refuted

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I assure you, by the grace of God, I do. Only by God. I haven’t, nor do I desire to explain how much I am blessed to understand. I remain perplexed that you used the phrase along the lines that someone was potentially stripping Christ of Hos due Glory, yet won’t further extrapolate “your” reason for saying this.

I was desiring to understand what you were inferring, specifically, so I didn’t read you wrong.

I am now gathering you are not willing to clarify your reasoning for making that statement. That is your choice.

I simply wanted to understand what you were saying, from your perspective. I have not indicated what I understand or do not understand at any point, thus far. I was simply attempting to understand your inference.
OK I'll take your word for it but will disagree with your version instead.
 
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OK I'll take your word for it but will disagree with your version instead.

The fact that you have pointed out that I have a “version” is fair, as we all have different perspectives... but to be concise, I’m not entirely sure you have an idea of what I perceive.

It strikes me as odd that an opportunity to clarify yourself by my request, is met with assumptions of what I understand, without your asking for clarification, on my part.

I’m cool to agree to disagree, but your lack of clarification of your perspective and lack of desire to hear me clarify my perspective still leaves me to believe you’re not quite certain what you are disagreeing about.

But, that could just be my misunderstanding, which I wanted to avoid, by asking you to help me understand, your position.

Meh... merry go round no more.
 
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Just to put this out there...

Abraham is perceived as the Father of human Faith, while Christ is the Head of all things.

Moses is suspected to be the author of Genesis... under Divine inspiration, ofcoarse.

Moses came a while after the 12 Son’s of Jacob.

Jacob was the son of Isaac, along with Esau.

Isaac was the child of promise to Abraham, which stood in contrast to the child of human effort we see in Ishmael. Galatians 4 heavily relies on this imagery. Jesus is the fulfillment of the Promise in fullness, while Isaac was simply one of many shadows pointing to Jesus.

Jacob “contended with God” and thus was named Israel. All offspring from Jacob forward of his blood were biblically named, Israel, as well as the promised land.

There’s no retroactive Israel, before Jacob and the Body of Christ isn’t Israel.

That’s the distinction! It’s important! Just like the Law came from Moses and Grace and Truth is from Jesus.

Israel isn’t Moses, Moses was part of Israel. The Law was called Moses, not God. Grace and Truth is the work of Jesus.

Jesus is the literal King of Israel, but the Body of Christ isn’t Israel.

If someone can find a verse that plainly says otherwise, and spells it out without any slight of context, I would be appreciative to see it said otherwise.
 
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As I stated, your interpretation is anachronistic, anthropologically as well as scripturally.

How so?

The preponderance of the context of Romans 9 concerns who is the true Israel God amongst the descendants of Jacob and Abraham

I agree. I would go even farther, and add who is true Israel among Israel.

Romans 9:6 It is not as though God’s word has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel.

Your comment that Paul does not mention Ephraim especially shows a lack of erudition, anthropologically as well as scripturally

If saying I have a lack of erudition makes you feel better, I'm glad I could help.

But this still doesn't address how Paul applies Hosea in romans 9:25-26 to the Jews and Gentiles in Romans 9:24.


Every time Paul used the term “Israel” he is referring principally to Ephraim and Manasseh according to scripture.

"Every time"? You might want to double check on that....

which maintains the principal interpretation of Romans 9:25-26 pertains to Ephraim,

And yet Paul applies it to the Jews and gentiles in romans 9:24.

Isaiah 11:13, Ezekiel 37:19 and Hosea 1:10 substantiate the grammatical-historical interpretation that the 10 northern tribes are perceived by God as a nation and people, Ephraim, at the second advent.

Isaiah 11:13: Paul has Isaiah 11:10 fulfilled with the gentiles glorifying God.
Romans 15:12: And once more, Isaiah says: “The root of Jesse will appear, One who will arise to rule over the Gentiles; in Him the Gentiles will put their hope.”

Hosea 1:10: Paul has Hosea 1:10 fulfilled with Jews and Gentiles becoming vessels of mercy
Romans 9:26 and,It will happen that in the very place where it was said to them, ‘You are not My people,’ they will be called ‘sons of the living God.’”

See, your backpedaling. You conceded that Ephraim was gathered in Christ at the first advent to proclaim the great commission. There is the enmity between Judah and Ephraim that was prophesied in Zechariah 11:14, by your own concession. Throughout our controversy, you had conceded that Ephraim is contrasted from Judah in that Ephraim accepted the gospel and Judah did not, the remnant of Judah through the apostles notwithstanding. As I stated, this is clear backpedaling.

You argument doesn't even make any sense, nor does your use of the word backpedaling. Misunderstanding on your part does not amount to backpedaling on mine. I believe Ephraim and gentiles are synonymous, in that Ephraim was divorced by God and became as gentiles in regards to the old covenant.

There is enmity between the Jews and the body of Christ.
Zechariah 11:14 Then I cut in pieces my second staff called Union, breaking the brotherhood between Judah and Israel.

Galatians 4:25-28 Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present-day Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother. For it is written: “Rejoice, O barren woman, who bears no children; break forth and cry aloud,
you who have never travailed; because more are the children of the desolate woman,
than of her who has a husband.” Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. At that time, however, the son born by the flesh persecuted the son born by the Spirit. It is the same now.

There is peace between Jews and gentiles in the body of Christ.

Hosea 1:11 Then the people of Judah and of Israel will be gathered together, and they will appoint for themselves one head, and will go up out of the land.

Isaiah 11:13 Then the jealousy of Ephraim will depart, and the adversariesd of Judah will be cut off.
Ephraim will no longer envy Judah, nor will Judah harass Ephraim.

Ephesians 2:14-16 For He Himself is our peace, who has made the two one and has torn down the dividing wall of hostility by abolishing in His flesh the law of commandments and decrees. He did this to create in Himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace and reconciling both of them to God in one body through the cross, by which He extinguished their hostility.

Supersessionism has difficulty discerning fulfillment from consummation.

It appears THT does as well, when they ignore the NT applications of OT scripture by the apostles.

The process of reconciling Ephraim and Judah commences with the first advent, it begins to be fulfilled

We agree.

but it is exclusively consummated upon the second, then all Israel will be saved, according to Romans 11:26

No arguments with that.

Isaiah 11:13, Ezekiel 37:19 and Hosea 1:10 concern the consummation, not the commencement at the first advent.

Considering Paul has Isaiah 11:10 and Hosea 1:10 being fulfilled at the first advent through the death of Christ, I would disagree with your interpretation.

The kingdom of Christ is consummated, established, at his return and not the first advent,

I would partially agree and partially disagree.

Revelation states the kingdom comes when Jesus ascends to heaven and Satan is cast out.


revelation 12:9-10 And the great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him. And I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying: “Now have come the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of His Christ.

Which is consistent with Jesus telling they disciples they wouldn't die until they see the kingdom of God arrive with power.

Mark 9:1 Then Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the kingdom of God arrive with power

The consummation occurs at the 2nd advent.

Revelation 11:15 Then the seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and loud voices called out in heaven:
“The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ, and He will reign forever and ever.”

Until the consummation, he waits until his enemies are made his footstool (Psalms 110).

He also reigns until his enemies are made his footstool

1 Corinthians 15:26 He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet

Revelation 1:5 and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth.

Your conceding Ephraim is amongst the gentiles; I agree.

Does this mean you concede Ephraim became as the gentiles, as they were separated from God and became "not my people"?

As I confirmed, Christ can retain the authority that he had laid aside to become a man (Philippians 2:6-10), and yet not consummate the Davidic kingdom.

But he rose again to be exalted to the highest place, above all names in order to fulfill the oath made to David.

Philippians 2:9-11 Therefore God exalted Him to the highest place and gave Him the name above all names, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Acts 2:30-31 But he was a prophet and knew that God had promised him on oath that He would place one of his descendants on his throne. Foreseeing this, David spoke about the resurrection of the Christ

Again, supersessionism has difficulty discerning fulfillment from consummation; the "kingdom of God" is obviously not the promised Davidic kingdom when the grammatical-historical interpretation is upheld.

Are you saying the kingdom of God is different than you proposed future Davidic kingdom?

You’re failing to take into account Satan is cast to the earth in Revelation 12 and makes war with the saints, which is recapped in the next chapter. In the next chapter Satan, the dragon, gives the sea-beast his throne and great authority over “all the world” to war with the saints and overcome them, for the same amount of time the woman is in the wilderness. In Revelation 20:3 the dragon, Satan, is stripped of this ability to deceive the nations and is cast in a pit for 1000 years and then released to fulfill the prophecy of Ezekiel 38. In Ezekiel 38 God has Gog come against the “land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.” Gog says, “I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates, To take a spoil, and to take a prey; to turn thine hand upon the desolate places that are now inhabited, and upon the people that are gathered out of the nations, which have gotten cattle and goods, that dwell in the midst of the land” (Ezekiel 38:8-12). Ezekiel’s description of the land of unwalled villages is precisely the security that Jeremiah 23:1-6 prophecies about the Davidic kingdom. There is no doubt in the minds of those who maintain the grammatical-historical interpretation, as well as progressive revelation, that the Revelation upholds premillennialism as opposed to the amillennialism or postmillennialism that you're asserting. BTW, which is it that you are asserting?

how does this address satan having two little seasons?

Supersessionism’s perception that the phenomenon of Hebrews 9:24-25 conveys the day of atonement is based on the nuances of the “presence” of God and “every year” to force their perception into the context that Christ “put away sin” at the first advent.

So the high priest entering the presence of God every year as mentioned in Hebrews 9 has nothing to with the day of atonement? Even a modest Bible expositor could see that you’re wrong.

Hebrews 9:24-25 For Christ did not enter a man-made copy of the true sanctuary, but He entered heaven itself, now to appear on our behalf in the presence of God. Nor did He enter heaven to offer Himself again and again, as the high priest enters the holy places every year with blood that is not his own.
 
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Your first sentence is immediately challenged by the entire Old Testament.

Your following usages of the word elect and election are missing context.

Luke 18 is spoken to the diaspora.

Romans 8-11 literally leads into discussion about Israel vs Gentiles and God’s work with both. Paul says not all Israel is Israel, but he specifically divides “Israel” from Abraham’s Seed, by placing Spiritual rebirth through faith in Jesus as the current Israel in the Physical Israel context, yet he doesn’t once call the Body of Christ, Israel and the elect are again within the Diaspora context.

Colossians 3:11 connects to Paul specifying that there is no Jew or Gentile in the Body of Christ and the word election is used in an Ephesians 1:4 sense, that specifically binds to Christ being elected before the foundation as the Slain Lamb. Even by specifying what Paul specifies, about Jews and Gentiles, it is clear that the Body of Christ is not Israel, though some of Israel has joined the Body of Christ. Paul counts his heritage loss, as he identifies Himself as part of Israel that is “In Christ”.

1 Thessalonians is also the Ephesians 1:4 context because it is to believers, in the opening of the epistle.

1 and 2 Peter are the most specific use of the word Elect and this is actually supporting my initial point as Peter was the emissary to the Jews, while Paul was the emissary to the Gentiles. This is immediately verified here (Galatians 2:8).

Now, about your opening sentence, of your response... if I find one single reference in the Old Testament that binds physical Israel to election, it becomes immediately void.

I specifically worded election in Jesus, Who was elected before the foundation, as the usage we see towards the Body of Christ, but you have suggested that Israel is not Elect by Physical description, while I assure you, Romans 11 is a clue to God’s “irrevocable” promises, and the entire Old Testament verifies the election of Jacob’s descendants.

If you missed that God elected Physical Israel in the OT, I would have to say you managed to overlook quite a bit while reading through it.

Romans 11:25 and Luke 21:24 have an interesting similarity in their phrasing. Jews and Gentiles are given context, despite their currently being no Jew or Gentile in the Body of Christ. Do you see it?

How has God always identified His Elect, both in the OT and the NT, consistently through to this moment in time?

1. By their DNA?
or
2. By their faith in and obedience to Him?
 
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We're attached to Jesus Christ, not Israel.

Almost correct. The tree is Israel, the natural branches of it are Israelites born into any of the various tribes of Israel. Jesus would be the root of the tree.
 
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Jesus is the literal King of Israel, but the Body of Christ isn’t Israel.


Of course it is. There is a tree with natural or original branches. Those branches are the Jewish people making the tree Israel. After Christ came branches that rejected Him are removed, and gentile branches that accept Christ are added to it. The tree is still representative of Israel because it has many original branches/Jews, it just now includes gentiles as well as Jews, all who are Christians/Messianics.


Jer 11:17 For the LORD of hosts, that planted thee, hath pronounced evil against thee, for the evil of the house of Israel and of the house of Judah, which they have done against themselves to provoke me to anger in offering incense unto Baal.

Here Israel (both houses) are likened to a green olive tree which means a young tree. The natural branches of the tree would be the individuals of Israel.


Hos 14:1 O Israel, return unto the LORD thy God; for thou hast fallen by thine iniquity.
Hos 14:2 Take with you words, and turn to the LORD: say unto him, Take away all iniquity, and receive us graciously: so will we render the calves of our lips.
Hos 14:3 Asshur shall not save us; we will not ride upon horses: neither will we say any more to the work of our hands, Ye are our gods: for in thee the fatherless findeth mercy.
Hos 14:4 I will heal their backsliding, I will love them freely: for mine anger is turned away from him.
Hos 14:5 I will be as the dew unto Israel: he shall grow as the lily, and cast forth his roots as Lebanon.
Hos 14:6 His branches shall spread, and his beauty shall be as the olive tree[/B], and his smell as Lebanon.


Here again, Israel is a beautiful Olive tree.

No surprise that Paul would use the same analogy:

Rom 11:16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
Rom 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
Rom 11:18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
Rom 11:19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
Rom 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
Rom 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
Rom 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?
Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

The olive tree and the wild olive tree and the branches being removed and some grafted in is all about Israel and Gentiles, those that believe and do not believe in Jesus Christ.
 
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How has God always identified His Elect, both in the OT and the NT, consistently through to this moment in time?

1. By their DNA?
or
2. By their faith in and obedience to Him?

Romans 11:28 <~ DNA. <~Olive Tree, Natural Branches

Romans 11:24 <~ Adoption <~ From “Wild Olive Tree”, <~ Grafted into “Cultivated Olive Tree”.
 
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Of course it is. There is a tree with natural or original branches. Those branches are the Jewish people making the tree Israel. After Christ came branches that rejected Him are removed, and gentile branches that accept Christ are added to it. The tree is still representative of Israel because it has many original branches/Jews, it just now includes gentiles as well as Jews, all who are Christians/Messianics.


Jer 11:17 For the LORD of hosts, that planted thee, hath pronounced evil against thee, for the evil of the house of Israel and of the house of Judah, which they have done against themselves to provoke me to anger in offering incense unto Baal.

Here Israel (both houses) are likened to a green olive tree which means a young tree. The natural branches of the tree would be the individuals of Israel.


Hos 14:1 O Israel, return unto the LORD thy God; for thou hast fallen by thine iniquity.
Hos 14:2 Take with you words, and turn to the LORD: say unto him, Take away all iniquity, and receive us graciously: so will we render the calves of our lips.
Hos 14:3 Asshur shall not save us; we will not ride upon horses: neither will we say any more to the work of our hands, Ye are our gods: for in thee the fatherless findeth mercy.
Hos 14:4 I will heal their backsliding, I will love them freely: for mine anger is turned away from him.
Hos 14:5 I will be as the dew unto Israel: he shall grow as the lily, and cast forth his roots as Lebanon.
Hos 14:6 His branches shall spread, and his beauty shall be as the olive tree[/B], and his smell as Lebanon.


Here again, Israel is a beautiful Olive tree.

No surprise that Paul would use the same analogy:

Rom 11:16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
Rom 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
Rom 11:18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
Rom 11:19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
Rom 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
Rom 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
Rom 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?
Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

The olive tree and the wild olive tree and the branches being removed and some grafted in is all about Israel and Gentiles, those that believe and do not believe in Jesus Christ.

Israel -> Natural Tree (Romans 11:28)
Gentiles -> Wild Olive Tree (Romans 11:24)
Christ -> Cultivated Tree (John 15:5-7)(Romans 11:24)

No doubt the idea that he took two separate trees and is an entirely new Tree is being missed.

Nowhere in Romans 9, Romans 10, Romans 11 is the Body of Christ called Israel.

Infact, it is made clear Israel is Jewish.

Matthew 15:24 is pretty specific. Also, Matthew 10:5-6 is helpful.

Post DBR, Peter is to the Jews, then Paul comes in and is specifically to the Gentiles.

The idea that The BOC “Replaced” Israel is a false idea unsubstantiated by all of Scripture.

No verse says that Israel is the BOC. Jews of Israel can become part of the BOC and in this time, there is no Jew nor Gentile...

But wisdom would be found in searching for verses about the time of the Gentiles coming to a fullness and end.
 
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Nowhere in Romans 9, Romans 10, Romans 11 is the Body of Christ called Israel.


It is. The body of Christ is Christians, the branches of Israel are Christians.

The idea that The BOC “Replaced” Israel is a false idea unsubstantiated by all of Scripture.


No one was replaced. The BOC is Israel composed of original and newly added branches. Any original branches that were in unbelief were removed not replaced. All new branches have their own new places on the tree. So, faithful Israel became the BOC when they accepted the Messiah, and gentiles were grafted in with faithful Israel when they accepted the Messiah which enlarged the BOC.
 
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Romans 11:28 <~ DNA. <~Olive Tree, Natural Branches

Romans 11:24 <~ Adoption <~ From “Wild Olive Tree”, <~ Grafted into Cultivates Old Be Tree.

Israel was ethnically diverse from its creation, and God extended His Covenant to both ethnic and non-ethnic Israelites equally and impartially.

Genesis 17
12 And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.

So physical DNA has never been one of God's covenant conditions.

But faith and obedience have always been God's covenant conditions.

They're known as the two chromosomes of spiritual DNA.
 
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Israel was ethnically diverse from its creation, and God extended His Covenant to both ethnic and non-ethnic Israelites equally and impartially.

Genesis 17
12 And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.

So physical DNA has never been one of God's covenant conditions.

But faith and obedience have always been God's covenant conditions.

They're known as the two chromosomes of spiritual DNA.
It is. The body of Christ is Christians, the branches of Israel are Christians.

No one was replaced. The BOC is Israel composed of original and newly added branches. Any original branches that were in unbelief were removed not replaced. All new branches have their own new places on the tree. So, faithful Israel became the BOC when they accepted the Messiah, and gentiles were grafted in with faithful Israel when they accepted the Messiah which enlarged the BOC.

Verses? No

Claim, BOC is Israel

Yet one Body was made from two, not one converted into the other.

Israel is Jewish. There’s no Jew nor Gentile, currently.

Verses? To support your claim? Supersession isn’t biblical.
 
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It's all in Romans 11. Everything is aid is scriptural and in line with what Paul taught. That's why you can't disprove what I have presented: "faithful Israel became the BOC when they accepted the Messiah, and gentiles were grafted in with faithful Israel when they accepted the Messiah which enlarged the BOC"
 
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It's all in Romans 11. Everything is aid is scriptural and in line with what Paul taught. That's why you can't disprove what I have presented: "faithful Israel became the BOC when they accepted the Messiah, and gentiles were grafted in with faithful Israel when they accepted the Messiah which enlarged the BOC"

Faithful Israel in context literally says “some of Israel isn’t Israel”, because of faith.

Nowhere is the BOC said to be “Israel”.

Verses?

Paul even differentiates between Jews and Gentiles in Romans 9-11.

No support in scripture for Supersession.
 
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It's all in Romans 11. Everything is aid is scriptural and in line with what Paul taught. That's why you can't disprove what I have presented: "faithful Israel became the BOC when they accepted the Messiah, and gentiles were grafted in with faithful Israel when they accepted the Messiah which enlarged the BOC"
You need to read what the Scripture says and only what it says. It clearly says "wert grafted in among them," it doesn't say "wert grafted into them." If you wish to argue Greek with me I can go there. If you will consider other passages, you will understand the correct translation because the Scripture agrees with itself. You're like so many who will build a doctrine on as little as a divorced phrase from a sentence, ignoring every things else that conflicts with their chosen phrase.
 
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Initial confirmation of Israel's ethnic diversity, with God's covenant extended to Jew and Gentile alike:

Genesis 17:12
And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.


Confirmation of Israel's increasing ethnic diversity, with a “mixed multitude” accompanying them in the exodus:

Exodus 12
37 And the children of Israel journeyed from Rameses to Succoth, about six hundred thousand on foot that were men, beside children.
38 And a mixed multitude went up also with them; and flocks, and herds, even very much cattle.


Recurrent references to the "stranger” i.e. Gentiles who were to be accepted by Israel as their own, and to whom God's covenant applied upon compliance with its requirements:

Exodus 12:48
And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the passover to the Lord, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof.

Exodus 12:49
One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

Leviticus 19:34
But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God.

Leviticus 24:22
Ye shall have one manner of law, as well for the stranger, as for one of your own country: for I am the Lord your God.

Numbers 15:16
One law and one manner shall be for you, and for the stranger that sojourneth with you.


Faith in and obedience to God and His covenant requirements were His sole conditions.
Physical DNA was never one of those requirements.
 
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Please look at these pictures of olive trees.



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The above group of branches have been pruned from the root of an olive tree. IOW what you see are true branches from the root. Iris plants are much the same way. What you see is a leaf from the branch what most people call the root. The picture shows 5 of what most would call a tree. These items people call trees are all from the same root. These are not what is called suckers among other names.

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The above pictures show how the branches are intertwined together. Not a single one of them is the other.

I hope this helps with the understanding of Rom 11 concerning the root and the tree.
 
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Initial confirmation of Israel's ethnic diversity, with God's covenant extended to Jew and Gentile alike:

Genesis 17:12
And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.


Confirmation of Israel's increasing ethnic diversity, with a “mixed multitude” accompanying them in the exodus:

Exodus 12
37 And the children of Israel journeyed from Rameses to Succoth, about six hundred thousand on foot that were men, beside children.
38 And a mixed multitude went up also with them; and flocks, and herds, even very much cattle.


Recurrent references to the "stranger” i.e. Gentiles who were to be accepted by Israel as their own, and to whom God's covenant applied upon compliance with its requirements:

Exodus 12:48
And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the passover to the Lord, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof.

Exodus 12:49
One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

Leviticus 19:34
But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God.

Leviticus 24:22
Ye shall have one manner of law, as well for the stranger, as for one of your own country: for I am the Lord your God.

Numbers 15:16
One law and one manner shall be for you, and for the stranger that sojourneth with you.


Faith in and obedience to God and His covenant requirements were His sole conditions.
Physical DNA was never one of those requirements.
The covenant was made with only Israel. It wasn't made with a mixed multitude. God told Moses to call the COI, not the mixed multitude.
 
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The covenant was made with only Israel. It wasn't made with a mixed multitude. God told Moses to call the COI, not the mixed multitude.

Israel was already a "mixed multitude" at the beginning of covenant history:

Genesis 17:12
And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.

It increased in the exodus.
 
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