What About Those Whom God Wanted To Heal Didn't Get Healed?

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I had a thought! I get these from time to time. :)

I wonder what Cessationist pastors are going to answer Jesus when they stand before Him, and He presents a whole crowd of souls and told them, "These are all the people in your churches whom I wanted to heal, but you wouldn't believe in My power to heal in your day, so these ones remained sick and died before their time, and so you robbed them of their future potential for me." And then He presents another whole crowd of people who spent their lives in wheelchairs and said to these pastors, "Here are the ones who would have got out of their wheelchairs and walked if you chose to believe that I could do that in your churches, but you refused to obey My Word."

I don't know whether that will actually happen or not, because I don't have any Scripture to back it up, but it should be a scary thought for those who ignore the supernatural and the gifts of the Spirit in their churches.
 

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...that is a powerful thought, and leading on from there, it makes me think of all the prayers I should have prayed, all the souls lost because I didn't follow through and pray for them...
 
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...that is a powerful thought, and leading on from there, it makes me think of all the prayers I should have prayed, all the souls lost because I didn't follow through and pray for them...
I understand. But there is a world of difference between our faults and failings because we are not perfect people, and deliberate willful disobedience when God has taken so much trouble in His Word that He will heal sick people any way He can and these unbelieving church people refuse to accept God's clearly written Word about His willingness to heal if people would just obey His Word.
 
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I had a thought! I get these from time to time. :)

I wonder what Cessationist pastors are going to answer Jesus when they stand before Him, and He presents a whole crowd of souls and told them, "These are all the people in your churches whom I wanted to heal, but you wouldn't believe in My power to heal in your day, so these ones remained sick and died before their time, and so you robbed them of their future potential for me." And then He presents another whole crowd of people who spent their lives in wheelchairs and said to these pastors, "Here are the ones who would have got out of their wheelchairs and walked if you chose to believe that I could do that in your churches, but you refused to obey My Word."

I don't know whether that will actually happen or not, because I don't have any Scripture to back it up, but it should be a scary thought for those who ignore the supernatural and the gifts of the Spirit in their churches.

The Lord uses those that are truly His to heal. The sad truth is, that only a small portion of those who claim to be Christian are truly His. The others can not truly believe in the spiritual gifts, or they claim that they have ceased because they have not Him. How can on believe if they have not been given belief. They deceive themselves. These are those that are written about. On the other hand, how can one who is truly born from above(His) not believe all that is written(HIS word) when they are One in Him and He in Them. All we need do is to repent, believe, trust and walk. Let us, let The Lord do, as He has promised to do, through us as His Sons and Daughters.
 
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I had a thought! I get these from time to time. :)

I wonder what Cessationist pastors are going to answer Jesus when they stand before Him, and He presents a whole crowd of souls and told them, "These are all the people in your churches whom I wanted to heal, but you wouldn't believe in My power to heal in your day, so these ones remained sick and died before their time, and so you robbed them of their future potential for me." And then He presents another whole crowd of people who spent their lives in wheelchairs and said to these pastors, "Here are the ones who would have got out of their wheelchairs and walked if you chose to believe that I could do that in your churches, but you refused to obey My Word."

I don't know whether that will actually happen or not, because I don't have any Scripture to back it up, but it should be a scary thought for those who ignore the supernatural and the gifts of the Spirit in their churches.

Can God's healing power be stopped by the unbelief of pastors?
 
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Can God's healing power be stopped by the unbelief of pastors?
Yes it can, because of the position of the pastor in the church. In some churches the pastor is the authority of what happens there, and people would be afraid to go against him.
 
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I had a thought! I get these from time to time. :)

I wonder what Cessationist pastors are going to answer Jesus when they stand before Him, and He presents a whole crowd of souls and told them, "These are all the people in your churches whom I wanted to heal, but you wouldn't believe in My power to heal in your day, so these ones remained sick and died before their time, and so you robbed them of their future potential for me." And then He presents another whole crowd of people who spent their lives in wheelchairs and said to these pastors, "Here are the ones who would have got out of their wheelchairs and walked if you chose to believe that I could do that in your churches, but you refused to obey My Word."

I don't know whether that will actually happen or not, because I don't have any Scripture to back it up, but it should be a scary thought for those who ignore the supernatural and the gifts of the Spirit in their churches.

The real scary thing is IMHO not those in the category above, but those who go to a lost eternity because their pastors taught the prosperity gospel, salvation by works or the latest fad cak instead of the true gospel of Jesus Christ that could have saved them.

God wants to heal his people yes, but most of all he wants them saved. Let's cast off all false doctrine and preach only the truth of the gospel.

IMO 'Cessationists' are rightly often to be wary when they hear some of the bizarre teaching emerging from Charismatic circles and the people in these circles who refuse to speak out against these bizarre teachings.

The Holy Spirit will lead us into all truth, how then can some preach a false gospel and say they have the Holy Spirit?

God Bless :)
 
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I had a thought! I get these from time to time. :)

I wonder what Cessationist pastors are going to answer Jesus when they stand before Him, and He presents a whole crowd of souls and told them, "These are all the people in your churches whom I wanted to heal, but you wouldn't believe in My power to heal in your day, so these ones remained sick and died before their time, and so you robbed them of their future potential for me." And then He presents another whole crowd of people who spent their lives in wheelchairs and said to these pastors, "Here are the ones who would have got out of their wheelchairs and walked if you chose to believe that I could do that in your churches, but you refused to obey My Word."

I don't know whether that will actually happen or not, because I don't have any Scripture to back it up, but it should be a scary thought for those who ignore the supernatural and the gifts of the Spirit in their churches.
Is God's will at the mercy of our faithfulness ???
 
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The real scary thing is IMHO not those in the category above, but those who are cast kicking in screaming into the Lake of Fire because their pastors taught the prosperity gospel, salvation by works or the latest fad cak instead of the true gospel of Jesus Christ that could have saved them.

God wants to heal his people yes, but most of all he wants them saved. Let's cast off all false doctrine and preach only the truth of the gospel.

IMO 'Cessationists' are rightly often to be wary when they hear some of the bizarre teaching emerging from Charismatic circles and the people who refuse to speak out against these bizarre teachings.

God Bless :)
You are correct. We live and work in the shadow of the Cross. At the Cross, Jesus paid it all so that we can be set from from the law of sin and of death.

In actual fact, Jesus did more than just take our sins and sicknesses on Himself when He died on the cross. He became our sins, sicknesses, diseases, and our condemnation. He died as us, so that God can see us as Jesus. Not that we actually become Jesus, but that God sees us in the same way He sees Jesus: as part of His family, totally cleansed and righteous in His sight. This is the good news of the gospel.

The gospel that Jesus brought to the world is forgiveness of sin, healing of sickness and disease and deliverance from the bondage of Satan. This is the gospel. When the Holy Spirit miraculously heals a sick person, He shows that God is real, the gospel is true, and He is alive and present right there. Trying to preach the gospel with just the words of man's wisdom will not achieve anything. Those who reject the gifts of the Spirit are doing everything in the flesh, and because they are in the flesh, they are not pleasing God.

But preaching the gospel in the Spirit, is manifesting the power of God through the gifts of the Spirit, so that people can not only hear the words, but they can see that God is real and He is present. That's how Jesus and the Apostles did it, and so should we.
 
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Can God's healing power be stopped by the unbelief of pastors?

Hello. Perhaps in some Charismatic or Pentecostal churches where a self-appointed Pastor preaches a 'my way or the highway' form of Church Government. Indeed, the situation might be further complicated by those leaders who have proclaimed themselves little gods. God Bless You :)
 
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But preaching the gospel in the Spirit, is manifesting the power of God through the gifts of the Spirit, so that people can not only hear the words, but they can see that God is real and He is present. That's how Jesus and the Apostles did it, and so should we.

:amen:
 
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I had a thought! I get these from time to time. :)

I wonder what Cessationist pastors are going to answer Jesus when they stand before Him, and He presents a whole crowd of souls and told them, "These are all the people in your churches whom I wanted to heal, but you wouldn't believe in My power to heal in your day, so these ones remained sick and died before their time, and so you robbed them of their future potential for me." And then He presents another whole crowd of people who spent their lives in wheelchairs and said to these pastors, "Here are the ones who would have got out of their wheelchairs and walked if you chose to believe that I could do that in your churches, but you refused to obey My Word."

I don't know whether that will actually happen or not, because I don't have any Scripture to back it up, but it should be a scary thought for those who ignore the supernatural and the gifts of the Spirit in their churches.

Those who remain in wheelchairs have their Cessationist teachers to blame for their unbelief.

James 3:1 My brethren, let not many of you become teachers, knowing that we shall receive a stricter judgment.
 
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Those who remain in wheelchairs have their Cessationist teachers to blame for their unbelief.

James 3:1 My brethren, let not many of you become teachers, knowing that we shall receive a stricter judgment.
I'm not sure whether it is the Cessationists who are the biggest problem connected with divine healing. At least a person in a wheelchair is not given a false hope.

No. I think it is these "superdupers" who make claims of being a guaranteed healing ministry when the Holy Spirit may not have sent them. There are "healing ministries" that claim to be exercising the gifts of healing, but the majority of sick and disabled people remain that way. When I was in a Charismatic church in Palmerston North NZ, we had all the big name guys with "healing ministry" reputations, paid their expenses to come to NZ, gave them large "love offerings", and I didn't see one person getting healed! If these big-name "superdupers" were brought out at great expense (on our church's part) to show how the healing ministry is done and to get a whole lot of folk healed, then it was money down the gurgler as far as I am concerned.

These are the ones who are more the "anti-healing" brigade, than the Cessationists who are at least honest in their views about it! Except that false teacher John MacArthur who peddles his false teaching about Charismatics being demonic.

No, when the Holy Spirit manifests His healing gifts, people get healed instantly. No doubt about it, no "receiving it by faith"; they get healed in the same way that Jesus Himself healed the sick and cleansed the lepers. It was instant and on the spot. If a person claims to be manifesting a healing gift, and people don't get healed instantly when he ministers to them, then he is a fraud, a fake and a phony!

However, any of us can lay hands in faith and obedience on a sick person and trust God that the Holy Spirit will enable recovery. We would not be making any claims of having a guaranteed healing gift by doing that. We would be just acting out our obedience to God's word to "heal the sick". But if the sick or disabled person does not show immediate healing, then we know that we acted in obedience (not claiming a gift of healing) and all we can do is to trust God for the results. Sometimes God decides to heal a person right then, or a enable slow recovery, or resolve the medical condition through medical means.

But if God decides that the person is going to be instantly healed so that everyone around will know that He is alive and the gospel is really true and will turn to Christ, then He will manifest a gift of healing through that person to enable it to happen.
 
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I'm not sure whether it is the Cessationists who are the biggest problem connected with divine healing. At least a person in a wheelchair is not given a false hope.

No. I think it is these "superdupers" who make claims of being a guaranteed healing ministry when the Holy Spirit may not have sent them. There are "healing ministries" that claim to be exercising the gifts of healing, but the majority of sick and disabled people remain that way. When I was in a Charismatic church in Palmerston North NZ, we had all the big name guys with "healing ministry" reputations, paid their expenses to come to NZ, gave them large "love offerings", and I didn't see one person getting healed! If these big-name "superdupers" were brought out at great expense (on our church's part) to show how the healing ministry is done and to get a whole lot of folk healed, then it was money down the gurgler as far as I am concerned.

These are the ones who are more the "anti-healing" brigade, than the Cessationists who are at least honest in their views about it! Except that false teacher John MacArthur who peddles his false teaching about Charismatics being demonic.

No, when the Holy Spirit manifests His healing gifts, people get healed instantly. No doubt about it, no "receiving it by faith"; they get healed in the same way that Jesus Himself healed the sick and cleansed the lepers. It was instant and on the spot. If a person claims to be manifesting a healing gift, and people don't get healed instantly when he ministers to them, then he is a fraud, a fake and a phony!

However, any of us can lay hands in faith and obedience on a sick person and trust God that the Holy Spirit will enable recovery. We would not be making any claims of having a guaranteed healing gift by doing that. We would be just acting out our obedience to God's word to "heal the sick". But if the sick or disabled person does not show immediate healing, then we know that we acted in obedience (not claiming a gift of healing) and all we can do is to trust God for the results. Sometimes God decides to heal a person right then, or a enable slow recovery, or resolve the medical condition through medical means.

But if God decides that the person is going to be instantly healed so that everyone around will know that He is alive and the gospel is really true and will turn to Christ, then He will manifest a gift of healing through that person to enable it to happen.

I don't agree that it is that cut and dried. A friend of mine that prays for the sick who seems to have a healing ministry prayed for my ribs and they were instantly healed, and the chronic long time issue never came back; and yet he has prayed for other areas of my body with no results.

He taught me how to use the healing gift and it worked on a dog, instantly. She had a broken back and was dragging her paralyzed legs behind her. I commanded the healing, and she was walking the next day, and running a week later. But I cannot command my own back to be healed.
 
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I don't agree that it is that cut and dried. A friend of mine that prays for the sick who seems to have a healing ministry prayed for my ribs and they were instantly healed, and the chronic long time issue never came back; and yet he has prayed for other areas of my body with no results.

He taught me how to use the healing gift and it worked on a dog, instantly. She had a broken back and was dragging her paralyzed legs behind her. I commanded the healing, and she was walking the next day, and running a week later. But I cannot command my own back to be healed.
Jesus said that the wind blows where it wants to blow, and so it is with the Holy Spirit. The gifts of Healing are manifestations of the Holy Spirit, and He dispenses them as He wants, and that may not fit into how we think He should do it. So, a gift of healing was manifested in one part of the body but not in another. That's just the Holy Spirit manifesting a gift of healing on just one part of your body. We can't explain how and why that happens, because the Holy Spirit is God, and we are in no place to instruct or counsel Him.

Obviously a gift of healing was manifested for the dog. We don't know why that happened either. There are many things about the ways of God that we have no knowledge about. We can't put God into a religious box, because He always does something "out of the box" and unexpected to show that He is God and sovereign.
 
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