How do we sort out different intepretations, and seeming contradictions?

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What Protestants tend to do is read the bible plainly based on their cultural or socio-economic context. If there is a disagreement, they start a new denomination, and this application of the concept "healthy boundaries" is how they make it work.

Are you saying Cahtolics never do that, so Protestants are inferior?

In reality there are subdenominations, such as Southerm Baptists and American Baptists. It is not really a new denomination if they still call themselves Baptists.
 
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Are you saying Cahtolics never do that, so Protestants are inferior?

In reality there are subdenominations, such as Southerm Baptists and American Baptists. It is not really a new denomination if they still call themselves Baptists.
Still leaving out the Orthodox eh? Guess it illustrates which tree the apple fell from.
 
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Kind of like deterring monopolies by man. The same reason God confounded speech in man at one time.
I think that curse was supposed to be reversed at pentecost.
 
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Are you saying Cahtolics never do that, so Protestants are inferior?

In reality there are subdenominations, such as Southerm Baptists and American Baptists. It is not really a new denomination if they still call themselves Baptists.
Paul did say, that going after one teacher or the other instead of Christ was a symptom of carnality and also spiritual immaturity. So a lot of division in a Christian movement would illustrate a definite inferiority as far as what God actually expects.
 
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I think that curse was supposed to be reversed at pentecost.
For who? Everyone who heard the teachers heard their own language but still could not understand each other. Otherwise talking to telemarketers and electronics techs would be quite a lot easier.
 
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Paul did say, that going after one teacher or the other instead of Christ was a symptom of carnality and also spiritual immaturity. So a lot of division in a Christian movement would illustrate a definite inferiority as far as what God actually expects.
This is a really good point. Yes, Christians can be prayerful, humble, and learn what Christ asks of us in many contexts.

But unity of faith, an ability to reconcile ideas, a clear historical train of thought in the development of theology and enunciation of Truth, should be present in the Church that Christ actually founded.
 
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One thing I learend in church is "orthodox" means Christian, so we are all orthodos.
Orthodox just means "the right way" it's possibly one of the reasons protestants are having such a problem being one group.
 
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For who? Everyone who heard the teachers heard their own language but still could not understand each other. Otherwise talking to telemarketers and electronics techs would be quite a lot easier.
Well, it was an event that affected Christians, it's not like unregenerate people would benefit. The event of pentecost, illustrates that the capacity is there, but we need to make it happen.
 
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The Gospel is only four books.
That is a different use of the word gospel as descriptive to something even though good news means the same. Jesus only used it in reference to the Kingdom. Man gets carried away :)
 
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After reading all these posts I would be thoroughly confused about what the gospel really is and how to get saved! :)

Congratulations. You now understand how the Adversary uses religion. :)
 
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After reading all these posts I would be thoroughly confused about what the gospel really is and how to get saved!

LOL I don't blame you, but the truth is Gopsel means "good news" - specifically referring to how Jesus the Christ saved us - so all you need to know is John 3:16 to understand that word.
 
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Hi. I've never had any formal Bible study training... and that's probably part of the problem. I was raised Southern Baptist, but am now getting myself all twisted in knots after reading Church history and some of the Church Fathers and trying to read Scripture with an open mind...

I do believe that the Bible is supposed to be our ultimate authority, but I'm really getting frustrated at all the places where the right way to understand doctrine doesn't seem clear. I know what Baptists have traditionally taught and believed -- but the early Church Fathers seem in many places to teach something different, and I'm finding the Bible seems to teach something different -- that is, unless I begin with Baptist assumptions.

It seems like everybody has to begin with a certain set of assumptions -- or else there's no way to make sense of all this at all. :confused2: For an example of just one knot I am twisting myself in, one I was thinking about earlier today -- What is actually required for salvation? Rather than being simple and clear like I've always been told this is supposed to be, I find that the Bible isn't very clear at all -- unless I begin from a certain assumption (sola fide for example) and subject everything else I read to that.
  • Paul talks about being "saved by grace through faith" and "not a result of works" in Ephesians 2:8-10. Protestants take this to be a statement of sola fide, justification by faith alone.
  • James says "a person is justified by works and not by faith alone" (James 2:24). And yes I know how Protestants usually explicate this in light of Paul -- but why do we prioritize Paul over James? How is that decision made?
  • Jesus makes statements that seem to pretty clearly state there are things we have to do (works?) in order to be saved. For example, He says "unless one is both of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God" (John 3:5), traditionally understood to refer to baptism; He says "unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you" (John 6:53), traditionally held to refer to the Lord's Supper. And yes, Baptists say neither one refers to either, but they still both apparently refer to something we have to do.
  • Jesus also gives parables of the Judgment indicating we will be judged according to our works (Matt 25:31-46). Paul also says pretty plainly that God "will render to each one according to his works" (Roman 2:6) -- shortly before the passages where Protestants find the boldest proclamations of sola fide. How does that square?
And I could go on. There are other passages that don't seem to line up with the rest of these. And I'm just making myself miserable trying to figure out how all this sorts out. :persevere: People tell me in sola fide threads to "use Scripture to interpret Scripture" -- but I don't see how that works at all, when these Scriptures appear to be saying completely different things. It feels like trying to solve a mathematical proof -- I feel like everything should make sense, if only I know the theorem to start with. But I feel like, in my mind, I have no idea where to begin... People tell me to keep studying, that if I study more, it will all begin to make sense... but it feels like the more I study, the less anything makes sense.

And yes I know that the Catholic Church has a magisterium that "fixes everything"! But is that the only answer? I know that the Church Fathers give guidance in how they, the Early Church, understood things -- and that helps a lot. But should I prioritize their interpretations? How do Protestants make it work at all?
“Believe” in the Bible never means “simply agree mentally that this is true.” It always means “agree that this is true and live accordingly.”

In other words, it’s impossible to believe in Christianity without obeying the Father.

If you refuse to obey the Father, how can you believe He’s truly God? If you truly believe that the Father is God — the all-powerful Creator of the universe who knows all truth and commands only good — then how can you refuse to obey Him? By refusing to obey you reveal that you don’t truly believe He’s God or has any authority over your life.

Or as Jesus says in Matthew 7:21, anyone can simply repeat the words. Anyone can say that Jesus is Lord. But how will tell who really believes it and who is simply saying the words? You’ll look at what they do. If they obey the Father, then they truly believe.

In Romans 3:31 "The law is to be upheld" VS
Romans 6:14 -Christians are no longer under the law, but “under grace”.

There seems to be a contradiction here until you look at the context;

In Romans 3:31, Paul isn’t talking about a law of works. He’s talking about faith — about simply believing the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Romans 3:27–31 “ Then what becomes of our boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? By a law of works? No, but by the law of faith. For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law. Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, since God is one—who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith. Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the law.”

In other words: we uphold the law — by believing. Not by being slaves to obeying a system of rules.

How did we go from a system of obeying rules to a system of believing? By grace! (Read Romans 5:1-12)


 
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This is a really good point. Yes, Christians can be prayerful, humble, and learn what Christ asks of us in many contexts.

But unity of faith, an ability to reconcile ideas, a clear historical train of thought in the development of theology and enunciation of Truth, should be present in the Church that Christ actually founded.
2 Timothy 2:23 fleeing foolish and ignorant speculations and arguments.

Titus 3:9 “But avoid foolish disputes, genealogies, contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and useless.”
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Most of us Christians overlook this;
There is the greatest commandment(s) that should get primary attention, and then there are the lesser commandments. Pharisees often use disputes over lesser issues to excuse them from obeying the more important and weightier commandments.

The more knowledge we have, the more of a struggle it is to remain humble. "Knowledge puffs up."

Pride makes it more difficult for us to learn. we should troubleshoot to find out the source of our error or problem, It might be that we are not defending the Bible, but a particular interpretation of it. Perhaps, this is why the church is divided over the matters of faith vs works etc
 
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Except people are missing one important thing. The bible, written in Koine Greek, intends "believeth" to be a verb, not a noun.

This indicates you have to do something.

Which is why my previous advice was to ... "concentrate on the "doing", rather than the "knowing".

P.S. Believing is "doing something" ... unless you believe that the only valid endeavors are physical endeavors ...

John 6:28 Therefore they said to Him, “What must we do, that we may be doing the works of God?”

29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you should believe in Him whom He has sent.”
 
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