CMB claims are religion

dad · Apr 26, 2019

Subduction Zone said:
dad, you are running. You are the one that will not even learn the basics. I already supported my claims but you did not understand how. That is why I am willing to help you to learn the basics of science. We won't even touch the science that you hate for a while. Just like the Bible denier in the example that I gave you you need to learn how to "read" before you can understand.

So are you going to continue to run away?

Rather than face the fact that the Doppler effect you cited has nothing whatsoever to do with telling us what time is like in unknown space, we see this sort of disengaged and deranged spam. Whatever dude.

For lurkers it is of note that yesterday news came that there is something about the expansion of space and the BB theory that is not jiving at all, and a mystery. Hehe

"New measurements from NASA's Hubble Space Telescope confirm that the Universe is expanding about 9% faster than expected based on its trajectory seen shortly after the big bang, astronomers say.

...suggest that new physics may be needed to better understand the cosmos.

..Riess doesn't have an answer as to exactly why the discrepancy exists"

New Hubble measurements confirm universe is expanding faster than expected

Mr Riess, good news, the answer is that the big bang was a steaming fable. Oh and by the way, it may not be that new physics are needed so much as the old physics that you thought included time simply does not work.

Subduction Zone · Apr 26, 2019

dad said:
Rather than face the fact that the Doppler effect you cited has nothing whatsoever to do with telling us what time is like in unknown space, we see this sort of disengaged and deranged spam. Whatever dude.

For lurkers it is of note that yesterday news came that there is something about the expansion of space and the BB theory that is not jiving at all, and a mystery. Hehe

"New measurements from NASA's Hubble Space Telescope confirm that the Universe is expanding about 9% faster than expected based on its trajectory seen shortly after the big bang, astronomers say.

...suggest that new physics may be needed to better understand the cosmos.

..Riess doesn't have an answer as to exactly why the discrepancy exists"

New Hubble measurements confirm universe is expanding faster than expected

Mr Riess, good news, the answer is that the big bang was a steaming fable. Oh and by the way, it may not be that new physics are needed so much as the old physics that you thought included time simply does not work.

dad, it does. But you are too afraid to learn. We need to start at the beginning. As long as you are running away in fear I can't help you learn. I am not going to respond to article that you do not and cannot understand. When you get tired of running I will help you. We are going to have to start at the beginning since you already failed to even understand the Doppler Effect.

essentialsaltes · Apr 26, 2019

dad said:
If you have no wish to defend your religion, fine.

Defend? Against what? You are unable or unwilling to provide an argument for your assertion, so I have nothing to defend against.

dad · Apr 26, 2019

Subduction Zone said:
dad, it does. But you are too afraid to learn. We need to start at the beginning. As long as you are running away in fear I can't help you learn. I am not going to respond to article that you do not and cannot understand. When you get tired of running I will help you. We are going to have to start at the beginning since you already failed to even understand the Doppler Effect.

Still mentioning the doppler effect and pretending it relates to the nature of time in deep space eh? Hilarious.

dad · Apr 26, 2019

essentialsaltes said:
Defend? Against what? You are unable or unwilling to provide an argument for your assertion, so I have nothing to defend against.

Whatever, believe all you like and don't try to support your religion for all I care. However, since science does use time in distance determinations six ways from Sunday, remember never to cite distances without first proving time is the same in all of the universe. Ha.
Lurkers: In case you are not too in touch with cosmology and science, what this means is that science has it all wrong. No distances or sizes of any object in space beyond one light day are known!

Subduction Zone · Apr 26, 2019

dad said:
Still mentioning the doppler effect and pretending it relates to the nature of time in deep space eh? Hilarious.

No, your fear of learning is hilarious. Why are you so afraid to even learn the basics? Anyone with even a high school level of scientific literacy can see you making error after error.

dad · Apr 28, 2019

Subduction Zone said:
No, your fear of learning is hilarious. Why are you so afraid to even learn the basics? Anyone with even a high school level of scientific literacy can see you making error after error.

Let's all learn why you mentioned doppler shift, and could not discuss it or relate it to what time is in far space. Ha.

Subduction Zone · Apr 28, 2019

dad said:
Let's all learn why you mentioned doppler shift, and could not discuss it or relate it to what time is in far space. Ha.

I already supported my "time in space" claim too. You ran away. Until you provide any evidence for any of your claims any statements to the contrary will be running away.

So let's start at the very beginning. This is a simplified flowchart of the scientific method:

Let's go over that. Then we can move on. It starts with "Ask a question" does that seem reasonable to you. For example "Why does this apple fall down?"

dad · Apr 28, 2019

Subduction Zone said:
I already supported my "time in space" claim too. You ran away. Until you provide any evidence for any of your claims any statements to the contrary will be running away.

So let's start at the very beginning. This is a simplified flowchart of the scientific method:

Let's go over that. Then we can move on. It starts with "Ask a question" does that seem reasonable to you. For example "Why does this apple fall down?"

You did not support anything. You talked about the doppler effect. How would that relate to what time is like in the far universe? Science does not know what time is, let alone what time is exactly like in deep space. Put that in your chart.

Subduction Zone · Apr 28, 2019

dad said:
You did not support anything. You talked about the doppler effect. How would that relate to what time is like in the far universe? Science does not know what time is, let alone what time is exactly like in deep space. Put that in your chart.

dad, just because you did not understand the support does not mean that I did not support my claims. That is why we need to start at the beginning. At this point all you can do is to dishonestly deny the science that you do not understand.

Why did you ignore the scientific method? That is what we are discussing right now.

dad · Apr 29, 2019

Subduction Zone said:
dad, just because you did not understand the support does not mean that I did not support my claims. That is why we need to start at the beginning. At this point all you can do is to dishonestly deny the science that you do not understand.

Why did you ignore the scientific method? That is what we are discussing right now.

Try to focus. We are discussing the religious basis for claims about the CMB. We have seen you spam about the doppler effect as supposedly being evidence toward showing what time in the distant universe. When it was pointed out there is zero connection, we have seen no lucid response or attempt to support your failed 'effort'. The frequency at which waves are seen here on earth from far space involve time. Merely citing the amount of time we experience in seeing these here does not tell us anything about what time there may be like.

That is called trolling, and dishonesty. Unless you start reasoned communication, your incessant and maniacal spam trolling will have to be ignored.

Subduction Zone · Apr 29, 2019

dad said:
Try to focus. We are discussing the religious basis for claims about the CMB. We have seen you spam about the doppler effect as supposedly being evidence toward showing what time in the distant universe. When it was pointed out there is zero connection, we have seen no lucid response or attempt to support your failed 'effort'. The frequency at which waves are seen here on earth from far space involve time. Merely citing the amount of time we experience in seeing these here does not tell us anything about what time there may be like.

That is called trolling, and dishonesty. Unless you start reasoned communication, your incessant and maniacal spam trolling will have to be ignored.

There is none. Your claim that there is is at best caused by our inability to understand the sciences. That is why I offered to help you learn the basics so that you would not make the errors that you have been making.

Now please, don't make false claims about others. That may be a violation of the TOS. I did not spam. I started an explanation and you demonstrated a lower level of understanding of the sciences then I first thought that you had. That was why I moved the discussion back to the scientific method. Yet all you can do is to run away. And you know that your claim of trolling is false too. I have made an offer you have run away and thrown insults as you run.

Once again, let's discuss the scientific method so that you do not repeat your errors.

dad · Apr 30, 2019

Subduction Zone said:
There is none. .

None...of what? Time? What are you (or do you think you are) talking about?

Subduction Zone · Apr 30, 2019

dad said:
None...of what? Time? What are you (or do you think you are) talking about?

Quoting out of context is usually done as an attempt to lie. Tell me did you forget the question that you asked? I quoted your entire post. You asked one question. I answered it. But that is besides the point you are still running away.

Are you ready to try to learn yet?

dad · Apr 30, 2019

Subduction Zone said:
Quoting out of context is usually done as an attempt to lie. Tell me did you forget the question that you asked? I quoted your entire post. You asked one question. I answered it. But that is besides the point you are still running away.

Are you ready to try to learn yet?

Stop trolling. No idea what you are talking about or what question you think you answered.

Subduction Zone · Apr 30, 2019

dad said:
Stop trolling. No idea what you are talking about or what question you think you answered.

I am not trolling. You asked a question, I answered it. You can click on the arrows in the posts to follow the conversation back. If anyone is trolling it is you. You make claims that demonstrate a lack of education of the sciences and run when help is offered. You are still running away.

Are you ready to discuss the scientific method yet? We will get to your questions eventually.

dad · Apr 30, 2019

Subduction Zone said:
I am not trolling. You asked a question, I answered it. You can click on the arrows in the posts to follow the conversation back. If anyone is trolling it is you. You make claims that demonstrate a lack of education of the sciences and run when help is offered. You are still running away.

Are you ready to discuss the scientific method yet? We will get to your questions eventually.

What question did you answer?

Jon Osterman · Apr 30, 2019

Subduction Zone said:
I am not trolling. You asked a question, I answered it. You can click on the arrows in the posts to follow the conversation back. If anyone is trolling it is you. You make claims that demonstrate a lack of education of the sciences and run when help is offered. You are still running away.

Are you ready to discuss the scientific method yet? We will get to your questions eventually.

You should really stop discussing this with him. He is clearly an idiot, as evidenced by this thread, and is incapable of understanding your points. You are just feeding the troll.

dad · Apr 30, 2019

Jon Osterman said:
You should really stop discussing this with him. He is clearly an idiot, as evidenced by this thread, and is incapable of understanding your points. You are just feeding the troll.

Yes, those who pretend to discuss should stop. It is clear that science does not know what time in the distant universe is like. They have experienced all things only here in our time. For you to pretend SZ posted anything at all that could be considered points about the topic is grossly disingenuous. Point us to the relevant post!!!!!!! Ha

Subduction Zone · Apr 30, 2019

dad said:
What question did you answer?

Okay, not a question but a claim. You have now demonstrated a rather low reading comprehension when it comes to even your own posts You made this obviously false claim:

"We are discussing the religious basis for claims about the CMB."

I gave the correct response. There is no religious basis for those claims. In fact the CMB was first predicted based upon an idea that a Christian introduced. He did not base that idea upon his religion nor was the prediction of the CMB based upon any religions. And the people that first observed the CMB did not based it upon their religious beliefs either. One was a Jew and one was a Christian. You are trying to insert religion where it does not belong. Then ironically you try to denigrate it because you think that it is religious, that is throwing mud on your own religious beliefs.

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