Your point? Are you suggesting that the Bible was needlessly or carelessly inspired or that God's inspiration did not somehow achieve the purpose for which God intended?
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Is Sola Scriptura Too Much?
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When grass is blown on by the Wind, it moves. When the Prophets and Apostles were blown on by Breath of God, they spoke and wrote.
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Grass whipped around by the wind as an analogy for the apostles and prophets suggests to me that the latter were merely automata transcribing messages directly from God. That's not what the scriptures look like though.
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A convenient myth.
The correct view of scripture is neither too high or low.
But that scripture by itself does not have unique meaning, nor was it the way doctrine was passed down in the early church.
As proven by thousands of Protestant schisms, disagreeing on every aspect of doctrine, directly because of the Falasy of sola scriptura.
Only by adding the other two legs of authority and tradition do you have the word of God, and so unique meaning and doctrine.
Sola scriptura is easily disprovable by history, logic and scripture. Scripture alone is not enough. Sola scriptura is a man made tradition of the reformation. It didnt exist prior to that.
Even Luther saw the monster he had unleashed with sola scriptura when he said " it is the greatest scandal, every milkmaid now has their own doctrine. " why? Easy. Because scripture cannot stand alone.
The correct view of scripture is neither too high or low.
But that scripture by itself does not have unique meaning, nor was it the way doctrine was passed down in the early church.
As proven by thousands of Protestant schisms, disagreeing on every aspect of doctrine, directly because of the Falasy of sola scriptura.
Only by adding the other two legs of authority and tradition do you have the word of God, and so unique meaning and doctrine.
Sola scriptura is easily disprovable by history, logic and scripture. Scripture alone is not enough. Sola scriptura is a man made tradition of the reformation. It didnt exist prior to that.
Even Luther saw the monster he had unleashed with sola scriptura when he said " it is the greatest scandal, every milkmaid now has their own doctrine. " why? Easy. Because scripture cannot stand alone.
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I acknowledge this. The absence of infallibility makes some interpretive tasks harder, and some easier. (I know, I know, "Go not to the elves for counsel."
)Sacred tradition helps a great deal, even though sacred tradition is also not infallible. I find it gives me a foundational stability in the work of discerning Christian truths.
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Jesus the word =/= Bible the word
The Holy Spirit totally contradicts the bible if it is translated poorly or the common day interpretation is based on cultural assumptions that reverse meaning.
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One is to read the Word with prayer for understanding...comes from the Holy Spirit and at times those God has appointed to be leaders over us, this too is where we find advise on translations but for those who are able it is best to search out translation for oneself.
Your response appears to be a searching for an out when it comes to leaving all things in the hands of God/Scripture.
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Incorrect, I just don't trust people to make decisions for me.
The covenant provided has all these riches to partake of, leaders tend to limit the partaking so as to not appear unworthy of their station.
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There is always a little red flag of caution that pops up in these discussions and it comes down to whether the Bible itself is sometimes made a God to be revered and almost worshiped even though the Bible itself shows God changing, amending, adding to laws, rulings, covenants, etc.
Are we to believe that there is no Counselor as Jesus taught us in the Gospel of John That the Counselor aka Holy Spirit is not with us even today, guiding us, directing, us, teaching us, pointing the way? And yet what I consider very real evidence and testimony long since the books of the Bible were closed to any amendment doesn't make it into THE Book.
If I was able to read one book and one book only for the rest of my life, of course that book would be my Bible. It teaches me, counsels me, often directs my path, points the way, but it is not the only way God speaks to me and I believe others.
I think we have to be careful not to make the Bible an object of worship even more important than God himself.
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He also apparently got a bit confused as to how many animals of each kind entered the ark.
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This is about 99% Sola Scriptura from the the most accurate preacher I've ever heard, Wayne Stewart of RightDivision.com. I spent 5 hours listening to him today and couldn't dispute one thing he said.
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I’m actually not diminishing anything, so again, I don’t know where you’re getting that from. Of course the Word is the foundation, Jesus Christ is the foundation. He is the Word manifest, He is the Word of God. This whole time that’s exactly what Toro and I have been getting at. The letter of the law is not more important than God.
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OK, with this I think I know what you’re getting at here. Of course the Holy Spirit never contradicts the Word. But we cannot hope to read and understand it without God’s help to reveal it to us....
Actually, it was the prophets that were His mouthpiece, we are his mouthpiece also. God wants to work through us, not through a piece of paper. What we have is a privilege that most people don’t have n other parts of the world. I think it’s very important not to forget that there are people out there that do not have the Bible. That does not mean that these people are lost or without Hope because of that. God can still work through people that don’t have the same privilege that we do.
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Explain your understanding of the letter of the law...the Bible as a whole? or those passages which refer to refraining from sin and its consequences? To live by the Spirit...the New Way, as Romans puts it...is how we are to now approach life and conquering sin with the help of Jesus...I’m actually not diminishing anything, so again, I don’t know where you’re getting that from. Of course the Word is the foundation, Jesus Christ is the foundation. He is the Word manifest, He is the Word of God. This whole time that’s exactly what Toro and I have been getting at. The letter of the law is not more important than God.
Romans 7:5-7:
For when we were in the realm of the flesh, the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruit for death. But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.
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Again, this does not negate or weaken the case for the Word. (It is surely more than a piece of paper for instance!)OK, with this I think I know what you’re getting at here. Of course the Holy Spirit never contradicts the Word. But we cannot hope to read and understand it without God’s help to reveal it to us....
Actually, it was the prophets that were His mouthpiece, we are his mouthpiece also. God wants to work through us, not through a piece of paper. What we have is a privilege that most people don’t have n other parts of the world. I think it’s very important not to forget that there are people out there that do not have the Bible. That does not mean that these people are lost or without Hope because of that. God can still work through people that don’t have the same privilege that we do.
We are all given an amount of talent and wisdom as God so determines and we are accountable for that as seen in Luke 12:48 as well as in the parable of the talents.
Yes, we are the mouthpiece but the Word is also...it is my own awkward description...faith comes from hearing the message and the message is the Word about God. (Romans 10:17) In this verse we can refer to the Word as an instrument or rather a vehicle or mouthpiece.
If one is aware of the Bible as God's Word, live in a country where Bibles are easily acquired, are educated enough to read or if not then able to attend a church where the Word is preached and taught you are then quite accountable for any neglect of reading it or hearing it practicing it and holding it in high esteem.
You appear to know the Word to a certain extent, have you not read all the passages on its value? I have already posted a list of them on this thread illustrating the need and uses and primacy of the Word.
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