Birth pangs

parousia70 said:

Well, We all know how much Venezuela, Walmart and Facebook figure into Bible eschatology.

St John was very clear in the Revelation to watch for signs in Facebook & Walmart, and especially Venezuela. Especially Venezuela.

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Actually, if you take some words in Revelation in the NKJV and spell them backwards, it clearly spells out "VENEZUELA".

Joking obviously, but Jesus did mention there would be wars and rumors of war:

Matthew 24:6 said:

You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come.

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Anthony7 said:

Joking obviously, but Jesus did mention there would be wars and rumors of war:

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Right.
Jesus said wars and rumors of wars were not a sign of the end.

In fact, He said the opposite, noting that those things specifically were a sign that the end was "not yet".

parousia70 said:

Right.
Jesus said wars and rumors of wars were not a sign of the end.

In fact, He said the opposite, noting that those things specifically were a sign that the end was "not yet".

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Then why did Jesus mention it, when His disciples clearly came up to Him to ask about the end of the age?

Matthew 24:3 said:

As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”

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parousia70 said:

In fact, He said the opposite, noting that those things specifically were a sign that the end was "not yet".

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Didn't see this until now.

I agree, we're on the same page here to some extent - regarding the end being "not yet". The signs act as a warning to the world that the end of the age is near. The very fact we're seeing these signs show we're close, we just don't know the exact day it ends.

parousia70 said:

Right.
Jesus said wars and rumors of wars were not a sign of the end.

In fact, He said the opposite, noting that those things specifically were a sign that the end was "not yet".

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Good catch!
Please visit my 1st century Jerusalem/Temple discourse thread..

Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized

Matthew 24:6
“Yet ye shall be being about to be hearing battles and hearings of battles, be seeing! be not be being troubled<2360>, for is binding to becoming,
but not as yet the End<5056>

Mark 13:7
“Yet whenever ye should be hearing battles and hearings of battles, be seeing! be not be being troubled for is binding to be becoming,
but not as yet the End<5056>

Luke 21:9
“Yet whenever ye should be hearing battles and tumults<181>, no may be being frightened<4422>, for is binding these to be becoming,
but not immediately the End<5056>

1 Peter 4:
7 Yet the end<5056> of all things is nigh;
be sane! then and sober/watchful into the prayers.
17 because it is the time of the beginning of the judgment from the house of God,
and if first from us, what the end of those disobedient to the good news of God?

Just to clarify though as to why I was posting updates regarding Venezuela - I don't think most people realize just how dangerous this situation is. That's why I'm watching it closely, as are many others interested in Eschatology.

Russia, China, possibly Iran as well are all getting cozy in our "backyard" so to speak. This allows them launch a strike on the mainland within about 1-2 hours. It's a very strategic move, and is a major test to our administration to see how they respond.

More protests are planned for May 1st, which some have speculated is designed to trigger an international response to remove Maduro.

Venezuela’s Guaidó calls for big protests on May 1
Venezuela's Guaidó calls for big protests on May 1

Matthew 24:4-8 KJV
[4] And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
[5] For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
[6] And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
[7] For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
[8] All these are the beginning of sorrows.

All these things have nothing to do with national Israel or what happened physically in Jerusalem in 70AD. The "beginnings of sorrows" has to do with New Testament Congregation, which is all the disdain and trial that occurs in the Church prior to the Church's fall. We have to keep in mind Satan is loosed before the Church's fall. This is all part of the great tribulation and persecution of the saints that grows worse as the Church becomes more worldly and decadent and departs from the faith. It's all part of the Great Tribulation. The "beginnings of sorrows" are what usher in the imminent fall of the Church, where we will feel real sorrow for her. In the beginning, believers are still within the Churches and are being persecuted for their strong stands and faithfulness to scripture. The end does not come then, but later after this persecution becomes complete where all the witness is silenced in the Church. This is when the great tribulation (persecution of the saints within the Church) is completed and that is the time of it's fall when they come out. They come out and stand far off mourning for her, per Revelation 18.

To put it more concisely, the beginnings of sorrows is the tribulation and persecution leading up to the fall of the Church. The Saints are no longer persecuted, they are all killed (Dead Spiritually speaking). Which is when the saints are called to come out of the Church, their testimony and persecution within are finished. That's when we know the Lord's return on the clouds of Glory is imminent!

If you, whether Preterists or Premillennialists, are looking for some physical war, physical famines, physical pestilences, and earthquakes, you missed the point Christ was making here!

Anthony7 said:

Didn't see this until now.

I agree, we're on the same page here to some extent - regarding the end being "not yet". The signs act as a warning to the world that the end of the age is near. The very fact we're seeing these signs show we're close,

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The apostles' generation saw wars and rumors of wars too... how near did it mean for them when they saw the signs? Was Jesus telling them the signs of wars and rumors of wars that they would see were a sign that the end of the age was near for them?

And what do you mean by near?

The same thing the apostles meant when they said it was near to them?
or do you mean something different?

TribulationSigns said:

The "beginnings of sorrows" are what usher in the imminent fall of the Church...

To put it more concisely, the beginnings of sorrows is the tribulation and persecution leading up to the fall of the Church.

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Which does not at all harmonize with Ephesians 3:21 and Matthew 16:18

Eph 3:21
to Him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus to all generations, forever and ever. Amen.

Matt 16:18
18 And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.

What part of "all generations, forever and ever", and "Shall not prevail against it" do you find so disagreeable?

And here I thought you were such a stickler for Harmonization...
I guess when harmonization does not suit your position, you get to toss it in the trash.

parousia70 said:

Which does not at all harmonize with Ephesians 3:21 and Matthew 16:18

Eph 3:21
to Him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus to all generations, forever and ever. Amen.

Matt 16:18
18 And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.

What part of "all generations, forever and ever", and "Shall not prevail against it" do you find so disagreeable?

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Obviously, it seems that you do not understand how Covenant Kingdom works. There is the Covenant Kingdom that is in heaven, which we will inherit and enter when we die or when Christ comes again. And then there is the earthly Covenant Kingdom, which both believers and unbelievers are part of. The short version is that "there are two groups spoken about as Covenant people." There are the unsaved children that represent the Covenant. And then there are the true covenant children. Just like God says that there was Israel, and then there was Israel, meaning only one was the true Israel of God.

Romans 9:4

• "Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;"

There are all the children who were/are part of the covenant Kingdom of God, and then there are the true born of God covenant children, the seed of Christ, which is only a remnant. It's my observation that "this" is where most of the confusion comes it. The lack of distinguishing between the two. These are all children of the Kingdom, but one of these groups is by profession only.

Matthew 25:1-2

• "Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
• And five of them were wise, and five were foolish."

This imagery is of all the Covenanted kingdom children, but only five of them are truly saved that they will enter into the true kingdom of God. Just like there were many "of" the Covenanted congregation Israel, but only a remnant was truly saved Israel. In simple terms, there is a visible Covenant kingdom on earth (the Congregations or Churches) within which are both saved and unsaved professing Christians. And then there is the indivisible Covenant kingdom on earth (the true body of Christ) and all these elect have all been washed in the blood of the Lamb. They are both called children of the kingdom. Just as God called all Israel His Covenant People, children of the kingdom collectively, and yet only a remnant of them were His people spiritually. Likewise, the congregation (church) today are His Covenant People, children of the kingdom collectively, and yet not all of them are truly saved either. That's why God in Scripture could declare that He pours out His wrath out on "HIS People," or "THIS people." Because they are only His people "externally," not eternally. God never pours out His wrath on His eternal people.

Matthew 23:37-38

• "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
• Behold, your house is left unto you desolate."

The Old Testament Lord's Covenant congregation could only be left desolate "because" they were the external Covenant Kingdom. Likewise, the Lord's New Testament Covenant Congregation today (the Church) can only be left desolate because some people are part the external Covenant kingdom. It's the only place where apostasy can stand, where the man of sin can rule in God's house. Selah!

The external "Covenant or Promissory Kingdom" is that special relationship that God has with those who are called by His name. They are Covenanted by their own consent and profession to be part of the children of God. It is a conditional covenant. In the time before the cross, it was the covenant congregation of Old Testament Israel. Which is also why she fell at the Cross when they put their Messiah the Prince to the Cross. They broke the covenant. After the cross, however, it is the New Testament Covenant congregation made up of all nations. The congregation takes the name of God, and with it comes the responsibility. They also can fall in like manner as Israel did. There are conditional promises implicitly made to the external covenant community (the visible church) Israel, and rebellion means God's judgment upon it. Of course, keeping these precepts will save no one, but they are there to direct the "true believers" to the object of faith that can, which is Christ! For example, the desire to faithfully keep God's laws is one of the pieces of evidence of faith and true love, not a reason for covenant salvation.

An external covenant congregation exists to be the outward sign of our professed relationship with God. Just as the nation Israel was the outward sign of God's people. Even in a sense, as circumcision or water baptism was/is an outward sign of a Covenant (promissory) relationship with God. It didn't/doesn't mean that everyone that took this profession or sign were automatically saved. No, but that they received that covenant signification, made them externally God's covenant people. The same principle here! And indeed this is how/why the signification could be taken away and given to another group entirely. Obviously!

Matthew 21:42-43

• "Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
• Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof."

CLEARLY, God is declaring that the external covenant congregation (representation of God's covenant people) is no longer the nation of Israel. It's "taken from" the nation of Israel. It was then "given to" the world congregation, made up of all peoples. This is the very same covenant concept that God illustrates in the symbolism of the Gentile branches being grafted into Israel, the external Covenant Olive Tree. In other words, this New Testament Congregation, the Church, is NOW now the Kingdom of God represented on earth. Not Israel. The covenant kingdom representation (taken from Israel) has been given to them. However, the church, too, likewise can be branches of this Olive tree "cut off" by unbelief, just as Israel was if they fall into unbelief. This is what the Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21 refers to... the apostasy and desolation of New Testament Congregation of Israel in a SPIRITUAL SENSE! A spiritual war. A spiritual famine where Gospel cannot be heard in the external church. A spiritual pestilence where the sins of professed and unrepentant Christians can be healed by Christ Jesus, a doctor that won't be found in the church anymore. So again, obviously, this is about the eternal Covenant relationship with True Elect but an external one! One that can be broken by unbelief. Don't believe it? Consider this:

Revelation 11:1-2 KJV
[1] And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
[2] But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

Can you see that God is talking about two groups of people in the Holy City? One is measured and saved by God (Eternal Covenant people). And One is not measured and not sealed by God (External Covenant People). Selah! It is the external and visible church that will be given to Satan!

Therefore, the verses you mentioned:

Eph 3:21
to Him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus to all generations, forever and ever. Amen.

Matt 16:18
18 And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.

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Are talking about Eternal Covenant people, the true Elect Church of God. Not the External Covenant People, the unsaved members of the Church that can get apostatized and become desolate...just like the external Jews of the Old Testament Congregation of Israel were!

So there! It is perfectly harmonized! Sorry to disappoint you.

parousia70 said:

The apostles' generation saw wars and rumors of wars too... how near did it mean for them when they saw the signs? Was Jesus telling them the signs of wars and rumors of wars that they would see were a sign that the end of the age was near for them?

And what do you mean by near?

The same thing the apostles meant when they said it was near to them?
or do you mean something different?

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Good post.
One just has to put themselves in front of Jesus during the discourse............

Matthew 23:
37 - “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her!
38 Behold! the House of ye is being left desolate<2048>
Luke 13:
34 - “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her!
35 Behold! the House of ye is being left desolate<2048>,

Revelation 17:16
And the ten horns which thou saw and the beast, these shall be hating the Prostitute and desolate/hrhmwmenhn <2049> (5772) they shall be making Her and naked.
And the fleshes of Her they shall be eating and Her they shall be burning in fire.


Revelation 18:19
And they cast dust upon their heads and cried out, lamenting and mourning, saying "woe! woe! the City, the great, in which are rich all the ones having the ships in the sea out of the preciousness of Her,
that to one hour She was desolated/hrhmwqh <2049> (5681)


"..probably the greatest single slaughter in ancient history."
ROMAN SIEGE AND SACK OF JERUSALEM

CAST OF CHARACTERS: Roman: Emperor Nero | General Vespasian | General Titus | The Roman Army || Jewish: General / Historian Josephus | Factional Leaders in Jerusalem || Administrators of Roman Judea Targets: Jerusalem | Herod's Temple // Maps of the Roman Invasion // Theological Timeline

CHRONOLOGY IMMEDIATELY SURROUNDING THE WAR

Stage 1: Murder of James the Just, "Opposition High Priest" ; Irrevocable Split: 62
Stage 2: General Revolt in Jerusalem ; Zealot Occupation of Masada: August-September 66
Stage 3: The Campaign of Cestius Gallus and the Defeat of the Twelfth Legion: October-November 66
Stage 4: End of Collaborative Government, Priesthood ; General Flight: November 66 - March 67
Part 6: Vespasian Subdues Northern and Western Palestine: December 66 - December 68
Part 7: Three-way Power Struggle within Jerusalem After Roman Retreat: January 68 - May 70
Part 8: Romans Breach City Walls and Leave Jerusalem Desolate: May 10 - September 10, 70

Little Lamb said:

Good post.

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Not really!

parousia70 said:

The apostles' generation saw wars and rumors of wars too...

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First, you got the "generation" all confused. It is not "apostles' generation."

Matthew 24:3-7 KJV
[3] And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
[4] And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
[5] For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
[6] And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
[7] For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

It is for Christ's people who will be able to "see" this. But only those with Spirit of Christ to be able to discern what wars, famines, pestilences, and earthquakes He really talked about. These are not literal events.

There are only two nations and kingdoms on earth. One is God's. Other is Satan's. They are fighting for the control of God's congregation prior to His Coming (not 70AD, but Second Coming in the future). This only takes place after the ministry of God's church is finished. But how can we know when?

Matthew 24:32-35 KJV
[32] Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
[33] So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
[34] Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
[35] Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

Jesus used a fig tree (and all other trees) as an example of discernment. When we see their branches become tender and leaves starts to set forth like we normally do in the Spring time, we will "mentally know" that months of summer near. Christ warned, "SO LIKEWISE YE" when you see "all these things" - - the very things that Christ has described in Olivet Discourse: Wars, famines, pestilences, earthquakes, false prophets, mother with child, abomination of desolation in the holy places, etc, but ONLY those with spirit can "see" what Christ is specifically talked about. It is not what you thought Christ talked about if you take it "literally." Sorry!

The generation of verse 34 is not talking about the contemporary generation. For example:

Psalms 12:7

• "Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever."

Tell me what single group or contemporary people to what time or generation of man is we preserved from forever? None! Only the generation of the wicked, and "NOT" a one-off contemporary evil group of people at one time. The generation of the wicked will exist right up until the end, when all things will have been fulfilled. This is the generation of evil that Christ talked about! Period! We (the election, or family of faithful Christians) are all preserved from this evil generation forever. Get it? It is clear that the word generation did not mean all of those people were within 40-year span generation of evil, nor did Christ use the word that way. Likewise, the people over 2000 years ago in Israel were not all a generation that would not be given a sign, nor were all a generation that the blood of Abel and the prophets that followed would be required of. Only the generation or family of evil would be given no sign. They are the only generation Christ that Christ prophesied could not escape the damnation of Hell. That DOES NOT mean a group living in a 40-year span, it meant that family who are children of the Devil.

TribulationSigns said:

First, you got the "generation" all confused. It is not "apostles' generation."
Matthew 24:3-7 KJV [3] And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
[4] And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. [5] For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.[6] And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.[7] For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
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Don't forget to include Mark and Luke ............

Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized

Matthew 24:3
Yet of Him sitting on the Mount of the Olives, the Disciples came toward to Him according to own saying "be telling to us!
when shall these be being?
and what the sign of Thy parousia<3952> and full-end<4930> of the Age?

Mark 13
3 And of sitting of Him into the Mount of the Olives over against the Temple,
Peter and James and John and Andrew inquired<1905> of Him according to own
4 Tell us! when these shall be?
and what the sign whenever may be being about<3195> all these to be fully concluded<4931>.

Luke 21
7 They inquire yet of Him saying “Teacher!
when then shall these be?
And what the sign whenever may be being about<3195> these to becoming<1096>?
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Matthew 24
4 And Jesus answeing said to them: “be heeding<991> no any ye should be deceived<4105>.
5 “For many shall be coming upon My name, saying,‘I AM the Christ,’
and many they shall be deceiving.”

Mark 13
5 Yet Jesus answering, begins to be saying “be heeding no anyone ye should be deceiving<4105>.
6 “For many shall be coming in My name, saying, 'I AM' and many they shall be deceiving<4105>

Luke adds "the time has drawn near"........

Luke 21:8
The ye He said: “be heeding no ye may be being deceived<4105>.
For many shall be coming upon My name saying that 'I Am'
and 'The time/season<2540> has drawn nigh'
No then ye may be being gone after them."
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Matthew 24:6
“Yet ye shall be being about to be hearing battles and hearings of battles, be seeing! be not be being troubled<2360>, for is binding to becoming,
but not as yet the End<5056>

Mark 13:7
“Yet whenever ye should be hearing battles and hearings of battles, be seeing! be not be being troubled for is binding to be becoming,
but not as yet the End<5056>

Luke 21:9
“Yet whenever ye should be hearing battles and tumults<181>, no may be being frightened<4422>, for is binding these to be becoming,
but not immediately the End<5056>
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Matthew 24:
7 “For shall be being roused/raised<1453> nation against nation, and kingdom against kingdom.
And there will be famines, [*pestilences], and quakings in various places.
8 “Yet all these beginning of sorrows/travails<5604>.”

Mark 13:
8 For shall being roused/raised<1453> nation against nation, and kingdom against kingdom.
And shall be being quakings various places, and there shall be being famines and disturbances<5016>.
These beginning of sorrows/travails<5604>.”

Luke 21:
10 Then He said to them, “shall be being roused/riaised<1453> Nation against nation, and kingdom against kingdom,
11 Great quakings and famines and pestilences<3061> in various places. They shall be being fearful-things<5400> as<5037>
also shall be being great signs from heaven.”

TribulationSigns said:

Therefore, the verses you mentioned Are talking about Eternal Covenant people, the true Elect Church of God. Not the External Covenant People, the unsaved members of the Church that can get apostatized and become desolate...just like the external Jews of the Old Testament Congregation of Israel were!

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I'm glad you have recanted and turned away from your previous position that the Church will fall.

Good job. Keep bringing your views in line with scripture.

What about Mark and Luke that you are over-analyzing with bold words and strong numbers. It does not a thing what I was saying here.

parousia70 said:

I'm glad you have recanted and turned away from your previous position that the Church will fall.

Good job. Keep bringing your views in line with scripture.

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Don't waste my time with your worthless sarcastic remarks, but you still don't get it. I am saying that it is the external part (professed) of the church that can and will fall while the eternal (true) part of the church is secured in Christ forever. Selah! There are two groups of people within God's kingdom, the Church. Once all Elect has been secured (Revelation 7, Revelation 11:7) by the testimony of two Witnesses is finished, more external people will no longer love the Truth so they welcome more Gentiles into their church which turns her into apostasy and desolate, 2nd Thess 2:7-12. God ALLOWS this by agreeing to allow the unfaithfuls to give the kingdom (visible) church to Satan to be deceived as a judgment, Revelation 17:16-18. It is the judgment of the harlot - Babylon the Great. That is why it is a mystery to MANY because they will deny that the church is Babylon the Great or will be judged by God. Just like Lot's sons in law said about Sodom when warned by Lot! THIS is only time True Elect can "SEE" the abomination of desolation standing in the holy place spoke of Daniel the prophet...actually those whoso readeth, let him understand! Spiritual discerned! Not physical events. The only holy place on this side of the Cross is, get this, CHURCH! Not Jerusalem. This is where the spiritual battle of Armageddon takes place! That is why the Elect are told by God to come OUT of the church when they see it so they will not be judged by God like the rest of those who remains in the city!

Get it? If not, can't help you. I only testify what Scripture says, and that only Spirit can open the person's eyes.

TribulationSigns said:

Don't waste my time with your worthless sarcastic remarks, but you still don't get it. I am saying that it is the external part (professed) of the church that can and will fall while the eternal (true) part of the church is secured in Christ forever. Selah! There is two covenant within God's kingdom that make up of two groups in God's congregation.

Get it? If not, read my post again.

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You have fabricated for yourself a definition of "The Church" that does not exist in the pages of scripture, to suit your paradigm.

parousia70 said:

You have fabricated for yourself a definition of "The Church" that does not exist in the pages of scripture, to suit your paradigm.

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[snip] No more testimony for you. I have presented all the Scripture to explain my position. Yet you are in denial without a single verse to refute my position. All you do is throw in with some sarcastic blabbing and personal opinions that only show to me that you do not know how to show me with Scripture that my "fabrications" are wrong that you alleged.

The Lord judges and I am comfortable with that.

TribulationSigns said:

[snip] No more testimony for you. I have presented all the Scripture to explain my position. Yet you are in denial without a single verse to refute my position. All you do is throw in with some sarcastic blabbing and personal opinions that only show to me that you do not know how to show me with Scripture that my "fabrications" are wrong that you alleged.

The Lord judges and I am comfortable with that.

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Again, it's not my Job to prove your assertions from scripture.
That's your Job.

I too am confident that our readers have enough information from you to decide whether you have done so or not.

parousia70 said:

Again, it's not my Job to prove your assertions from scripture.

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Oh, it is not your job? Maybe you need to check your stand with Christ. For it is written:

2 Timothy 3:16 KJV
[16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

2 Timothy 2:15 KJV
[15] Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

That's your Job.

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Read the verses above. Indeed it's my job and loving it. God must be well pleased!

I too am confident that our readers have enough information from you to decide whether you have done so or not.

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Again, that is up to the Holy Spirit to reveal the Truth to them. I only testify what Scripture says which you have not done yet with me lately. Like I said again, The Lord Judges, and I am comfortable with that.