Is Sola Scriptura Too Much?

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Also, the Bible are the perfect words that are needed for us Christians under the New Covenant. So Sola Scriptura is not every single holy word of God that was recorded in one book (the Bible).

The Bible actually mentions certain books in the Bible that we never got to see. Here is part of a study I did a few years back on that (if you are interested).

The Different Books Mentioned in the Bible:

A. Heavenly Books:

#1. The Word of God (Forever settled in Heaven).
#2. The Lamb's Book of Life.
#3. The Book of Remembrance.
#4. Unnamed Book That Has All Our Members Written Within It.
#5. The Book (Scroll) of the Seven Seals.
#6. Unnamed Books of Judgment.
#7. The Unnamed Little Books That Ezekiel and John Eat.

B. Earthly Books:

I. Spiritual and or Prophetic:

#1. Samuel's Book of the Manner of the Kingdom.
#2. The Book of Nathan the Prophet.
#3. The Book of Gad the Seer.
#4. The Acts of Solomon.
#5. Solomon's Many Other Proverbs and Songs.
#6. The Prophecy of Ahijah the Shilonite.
#7. The Story of the Prophet Iddo.
#8. The Visions of Iddo the Seer.
#9. The Book of Shemaiah the Prophet.
#10. The Sayings of the Seers.
#11. Paul's Earlier Epistle to the Corinthians About Fornication.


II. Historical:

#1. The Book of the Living.
#2. The Book of the Wars of the Lord.
#3. The Book of Jasher.
#4. David's Letter to Joab.
#5. The Book of Jehu.
#6. Jehu's 1st Letter to Samaria.
#7. Jehu's 2nd Letter to Samaria.
#8. Unfinished Record of Princes Not Added to Chronicles.
#9. Writings of David and Solomon on Passover Keepings.
#10. Actions of King Uzziah Not Recorded in the Book of Isaiah.
#11. Mordecai's Purim Announcement Letter to the Jews.
#12. Esther & Mordecai's 2nd Confirmation Letter of Purim.


C. Possible Other Books.

I. Heavenly Books:

#1. The Book of the Living.
#2. Library (Larger Than Earth) on the Complete Life of Jesus.


II. Earthly Books:

#1. The Book of the Kings of Israel.
#2. The Book of the Kings of Judah.
#3. The Book of the Chronicles of the Kings of Israel.
#4. The Book of the Chronicles of the Kings of Judah.


D. God's People Revealing Past New Oral Prophecies:

#1. Writer of Hebrews Reveals a New Oral Prophecy of Jesus.
#2. Jude Reveals an Unknown New Oral Prophecy of Enoch.


E. Secular or Wordly Writings in God's Word:

I. God's People Verbally Quoting Secular Writings:

#1. Paul Quotes an Inscription on an Athenian Altar.
#2. Paul Quotes Epimenides' de Oraculis.
#3. Paul Quotes Aratus' Phaenomena (A Poem).
#4. Paul Quotes Menander's Poetry.
#5. Paul Quotes Epimenides' Paradox.


II. Secular Works Transcribed (In Part or In It's Entirety):

#1. Jezebel's Letters to the Officials of Naboth's City.
#2. Sennacherib's Letter to Hezekiah.
#3. Huram's Letter to Solomon.
#4. Shemaiah's Letter to Zephaniah on the Exile Prophecy.
#5. King Cyrus's Proclamation to All His Kingdom.
#6. Enemies of Judah Led by 3 Men Write a Letter to Artaxerxes.
#7. Artaxerxes Letter in Reply to the 3 Men.
#8. Govenor Tatnai Writes to Darius About the Jews Rebuilding.
#9. Darius' Decree to Help Rebuild the Temple.
#10. Artaxerxe's Approval Letter to Ezra to Rebuild the Wall.
#11. Sanballat Threatens Nehemiah to Stop Building the Wall.
#12. Chief Captain Claudius Lysias' Letter to Governor Felix.


III. Secular Works Mentioned By Name But Not Shown:

#1. Benhadad's Letter to the King of Israel.
#2. Berodachbaladan's Letters to Hezekiah.
#3. Artaxerxe's Letters to Nehemiah in Rebuilding the Wall.
#4. Tobaiah & the Judean Noble's Letters Sent to Nehemiah.
#5. The Chronicles of the Kings of Media and Persia.
#6. Xerxe's Unintended Decree (By Haman) to Kill the Jews.
#7. Xerxe's Decree for the Jews to Protect Themselves.
#8. High Priest's Letters Enabling Saul to Round-up Christians.


Note: I used to have the verse numbers for every single one of these on another forum, but the forum decided to save space by deleting their older posts. So I lost the verse references.
Lots and lots and lots of reading! Did you locate and read these?
 
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"Most reliable": Chiefly, more reliable than the other first- and second-century writings that were not accepted into the canon. Also, more reliable than the church's later theological writings, even venerable writings like the Nicene Creed.

"How do you determine what in Scripture is authoritative": It depends on what you mean by authoritative. How do I determine what belongs in the canon of Scripture? I defer to the judgment of the early church; they defined the canon. How do I determine how accurate various portions of Scripture are, or what they mean, or how they apply to our lives, or what the New Testament writers would have written if they'd lived in 2019? That's much more difficult. In my church community, we famously try to discern truth through a combination of Scripture, tradition, and reason. It's an inexact process, though prayerfully undertaken, and it does not guarantee infallible results.
I read that the NT books were selected by what was known to be in use and thereby assumed to be most reliable. I understand that members of the church did correspond with one another by way of letter which included text of most of these books.

I do believe that the Scripture gives wisdom and discernment in all matters and are timeless so that we are not in doubt.
 
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Yes, exactly! The letter of the law kills, but the Spirit gives life! Amen!
2 Corinthians 3:4-6

The Bible is all about His reflection - even creation itself reflects Him, so I see what you're saying. We are also to reflect Jesus Christ and walk and He walked. To really understand scripture we must rely on God, His Holy Spirit, to teach us: Proverbs 3:5-6, John 14:26, John 16:13
To read the Word is to seek wisdom and understanding and discernment from the Lord...you can't act wisely as a Christian if you despise His counsel? Here are the words of the Psalmist...
Psalm 19:9-11:
...
The decrees of the Lord are firm,
and all of them are righteous.
They are more precious than gold,
than much pure gold;
they are sweeter than honey,
than honey from the honeycomb.
By them your servant is warned;
in keeping them there is great reward.

And it appears you do not know what is meant by "law" in II Corinthians 3:4-6!
 
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I could post scriptures too I just happen to be at work and didnt think people that want to hold the book as the most important issue in salvation would be so avert to seeking inside it.

Such as where Jesus says His brothers, sisters and mother are those that do the will of the Father... not those that read their Bibles daily and take their vitamins.
Matthew 12:50

John 15:1-4 If the Spirit does not abide in someone they lack fruit of the Spirit will be cast into the fire. He doesnt say, if you dont read your Bible.

The Spirit cleans the INSIDE of the cup... those that seek Bible knowledge alone and idolize the Bible above relationship to the Lord seek the same things the Pharisees sought... they washed the outside of their cup. Matthew 23:23-32.is what a love of the law and lack of the Spirit will get you.

What did Jesus have to say about Pharisees? People that had all the knowledge of the law (Similar to those that seek Bible knowledge over seeking relationship to the Lord)?

Matthew 7:23
Matthew 5:20

What knowledge of law are you going to find that the Pharisees did not possess?

In what book is the Lord going to say "I know you, do not depart from me.

You only hear "I know you" in relationship, not in books.

Again... the Bible and scriptures DO have their place, but its NOT to be an idol.
The Bible an idol! I've now heard it all!
 
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I could post scriptures too I just happen to be at work and didnt think people that want to hold the book as the most important issue in salvation would be so avert to seeking inside it.

Such as where Jesus says His brothers, sisters and mother are those that do the will of the Father... not those that read their Bibles daily and take their vitamins.
Matthew 12:50

John 15:1-4 If the Spirit does not abide in someone they lack fruit of the Spirit will be cast into the fire. He doesnt say, if you dont read your Bible.

The Spirit cleans the INSIDE of the cup... those that seek Bible knowledge alone and idolize the Bible above relationship to the Lord seek the same things the Pharisees sought... they washed the outside of their cup. Matthew 23:23-32.is what a love of the law and lack of the Spirit will get you.

What did Jesus have to say about Pharisees? People that had all the knowledge of the law (Similar to those that seek Bible knowledge over seeking relationship to the Lord)?

Matthew 7:23
Matthew 5:20

What knowledge of law are you going to find that the Pharisees did not possess?

In what book is the Lord going to say "I know you, do not depart from me.

You only hear "I know you" in relationship, not in books.

Again... the Bible and scriptures DO have their place, but its NOT to be an idol.
The Bible is not just OT Law...you seem to not understand this
 
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The Bible is not just OT Law...you seem to not understand this
Said as I had just posted all from the NT, yet I do not understand this.

I speak of Spirit dwelling within a person and seeking guidance through the Spirit... in OT the Spirit would only rest upon, not within.... IF there is anyone stuck in OT and does not understand this, it is not I sir.

The Bible an idol! I've now heard it all!
If one places the word of the Lord ABOVE relationship TO the Lord... how has one NOT made it an idol? Anything placed above God is an idol..... ANYTHING can be or become an idol.
 
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To read the Word is to seek wisdom and understanding and discernment from the Lord...you can't act wisely as a Christian if you despise His counsel? Here are the words of the Psalmist...
Psalm 19:9-11:
...
The decrees of the Lord are firm,
and all of them are righteous.
They are more precious than gold,
than much pure gold;
they are sweeter than honey,
than honey from the honeycomb.
By them your servant is warned;
in keeping them there is great reward.

And it appears you do not know what is meant by "law" in II Corinthians 3:4-6!

One cannot read the Word of God (the Bible) and understand as it is foolishness to those that are perishing, but on the same side of the coin, through God, His Word has the power to save.

How can I despise His counsel if I am the one (likewise as @Toro) who is saying it is through God and by God that we can understand anything the Bible says? How do you get that from my post?

Might I also point out that Satan knows the Word of God and even he used His Words against Him. Jesus says "it is also written..." This is the danger of quoting parts of the Bible as partiality rather than allowing God's Word to speak through you as a whole.(Jeremiah 31:33, Hebrews 10:16)
The angels are without excuse as they are right there with God, just as we have no excuse as we have not only His Word (the Bible) which is powered by God to reach others, but also His creation all around us - as we also are His creation.

I know what is meant by the law, but what you seem to miss is the point. I stand by what God has revealed to me both in context and personally.

No bird can fly with only one wing... As there are sowers there are reapers, as there is a sun there is a moon. Let him hear who has ears to hear, and those who have eyes to see them him see. :yellowheart:
 
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First let me begin with my definition (which is the classic Protestant definition). Sola Scriptura teaches that the Bible alone is the word of God and only infallible rule of faith and morals. Sola Scriptura does not say that the Bible is the only authority, but that it is the only infallible authority. Church teachings are very useful and important, but they are not equal to Scripture. At the end of the day, even they must be evaluated according to Scripture.

This definition is flawed. The Bible itself does not mention Sola Scriptura or infallibility of scripture... which means that Sola Scripture is a fallible doctrine.

The Bible is "God-breathed and suitable for teaching" etc. I understand the principles of Sola Scripture and support them, but in practice everyone who uses them uses them to justify their own interpretation of the Bible and one that others see as including fallible assumptions.

E.g. The early reformers actively persecuted those that disagreed with their version of Sola Scripture such as the Anabaptists.
 
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The Bible is not just OT Law...you seem to not understand this
Many many many churches turn the bible into a law, raising up the bible in the assembly saying it is the only authority, rebelling against God rejecting the Holy Spirit's guidance.
 
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"Most reliable": Chiefly, more reliable than the other first- and second-century writings that were not accepted into the canon. Also, more reliable than the church's later theological writings, even venerable writings like the Nicene Creed.

"How do you determine what in Scripture is authoritative": It depends on what you mean by authoritative. How do I determine what belongs in the canon of Scripture? I defer to the judgment of the early church; they defined the canon. How do I determine how accurate various portions of Scripture are, or what they mean, or how they apply to our lives, or what the New Testament writers would have written if they'd lived in 2019? That's much more difficult. In my church community, we famously try to discern truth through a combination of Scripture, tradition, and reason. It's an inexact process, though prayerfully undertaken, and it does not guarantee infallible results.

Sounds very confusing.
 
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One cannot read the Word of God (the Bible) and understand as it is foolishness to those that are perishing, but on the same side of the coin, through God, His Word has the power to save.

How can I despise His counsel if I am the one (likewise as @Toro) who is saying it is through God and by God that we can understand anything the Bible says? How do you get that from my post?

Might I also point out that Satan knows the Word of God and even he used His Words against Him. Jesus says "it is also written..." This is the danger of quoting parts of the Bible as partiality rather than allowing God's Word to speak through you as a whole.(Jeremiah 31:33, Hebrews 10:16)
The angels are without excuse as they are right there with God, just as we have no excuse as we have not only His Word (the Bible) which is powered by God to reach others, but also His creation all around us - as we also are His creation.

I know what is meant by the law, but what you seem to miss is the point. I stand by what God has revealed to me both in context and personally.

No bird can fly with only one wing... As there are sowers there are reapers, as there is a sun there is a moon. Let him hear who has ears to hear, and those who have eyes to see them him see. :yellowheart:
You seem to miss that it is the all important Word which the Spirit works through to work faith and Godly actions in a believer. Yes, you seem to acknowledge this in this post, but I have been reading of the rather secondary...if that...position of the Word in a believer's life. It is just as you say, Satan uses the Word also and there are deceiving spirits as well as the Spirit of God at work (as I John warns). It is by knowing the word and knowing it well that one has a clear understanding so as to adequately test the spirits at work in and among us. The Word is the foundation. If you believe all this then let's not diminish the importance of the Word in Christian posts.
 
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Many many many churches turn the bible into a law, raising up the bible in the assembly saying it is the only authority, rebelling against God rejecting the Holy Spirit's guidance.
The guidance of the Holy Spirit never contradicts the Word. What are these spirits at work which reject the authority of God. Jesus was the Word made flesh...the Word is His mouthpiece!
 
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Yes he did. But we know this because the Bible says this!
By the way, we know that simply by using basic common sense and reason. We didn’t learn that from the Bible, even though the Bible teaches the same.
 
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Lots and lots and lots of reading! Did you locate and read these?

They are books (written works) mentioned in the Bible, but we do not have the entirety of these books or written works today. So no. I did not read these books because I don't believe they are in existence or if they are in existence, God does not want us to focus on them as being a part of His Word for us today. I believe God perfectly gave the right amount of words that we needed with the Bible (66 books).
 
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Scripture IS Church Tradition. There's no way around that.
A cop-out for the Catholic Church to "prove" that about 90% of their doctrine, all of which is derived from human tradition, is valid. The Bible-believer knows better. The ONLY source of truth on the planet are the God-breathed Words in the Bible
 
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A cop-out for the Catholic Church to "prove" that about 90% of their doctrine, all of which is derived from human tradition, is valid. The Bible-believer knows better. The ONLY source of truth on the planet are the God-breathed Words in the Bible
You think God breathed ink onto papyrus?
 
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When two people disagree as to the meaning of scripture, who decides which one is right?

This is the role of an apostle. Apostles have authority over Teachers, Pastors, Evangelists and Prophets.
 
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You think God breathed ink onto papyrus?

"All men are like grass" What happens to grass when the wind blows on it? God blew on the Prophets and Apostles, causing them to speak and write the Scriptures.
 
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