Splitting hairs indeed. That's why I don't want to get adversarial about any of this 'stuff'. Who cares? On judgment day God isn't going to say nolidad you walked like a saint but you had some bad doctrine "GO TO HELL! and burn until I say "WELL DONE".
No I don't think our spirit does anything but get "born from above" or "born again". And I believe that is accomplished for us just like it was for Jesus. The Holy Spirit conceived the Sspirit of Christ in Jesus and He does the same thing for our spirits. They aren't resurrected because they're dead...they are regenerated/rebirthed and become "
the Sspirit of Christ in you (us), the hope of glory." There in lies the trouble with translators who know not when to capitalize Sspirit or not.
We are the body of Christ because we have the same Sspirit that Christ had IN him from birth. A birth we don't have until we are born again "
BRETHREN" with him.
HEB 2:17 Therefore he had to be made like his brethren in every respect,..
It was not an ETERNAL cleansing at all nor was it ETERNAL forgiveness at all. All salvation of the OT was considered TEMPORAL for the consequence of sin HERE AND NOW. That's why we still do have to have temporal repentance for our sins so we don't 'reap and sow' the 'temporal consequence' of sin....even though the 'eternal consequence' price has been paid. Sin committed after getting saved still lead to the temporal death of our mortal bodies.
No, I missed nothing. I've believed that way for decades.
We're on the same page. Personally I think that those were the
keys for entrance into the kingdom...God calling AND us accepting...not for rebirth salvation, but for entrance into the kingdom of God being manifested here. Which is what the disciples did, under the authority of Jesus but not because they were born again. Being born again wasn't even available for them until after the cross.
Nor do I recognize denominations. My mother got saved as a RC. She did so not at water baptism, but at confirmation (supposed baptism of Holy Spirit ritual). She told the nun she really didn't know what confirmation was for. What the nun told her fits the definition for getting born again IMO. But I always say that when JESUS looks down at 'the Church' which He said HE WOULD BUILD....He only sees ONE CHURCH. And it is scattered through out all the divisions that the religious spirit of Satan has divided us in to.
Basically what we just said. The Rock was the 'stone/pebble' differentiation between 'the Revelation' from the father that Jesus was "
the Christ" which leads to us accepting Him and receiving His Spirit of Christ in us making us "
living stones" which make up the TEMPLE that the Holy Spirit dwells in. Our individual bodies are not 'the temple'. We as "
living stones" and Jesus as the "
cornerstone" make up the singular corporate body/temple.
EPH 2:19 So then you are no longer strangers and sojourners, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, 20 built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone, 21 in whom the whole structure is joined together and grows into A holy temple in the Lord; 22 in whom you also are built into it for A dwelling place of God in the Spirit.
You err because you do not understand the SCriptures!
We are born from th eSpirit in John 3 our spirit is not born.
In 2 Cor. 5: we are made a new creature and the old creature has passed away (died)
Colossians 3:3
For
ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
It is the Spirit that lives in us and through us! We just cooperate now that we have been made spiritually alive and can fellowship with God!
2 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
YOu : "It was not an ETERNAL cleansing at all nor was it ETERNAL forgiveness at all. All salvation of the OT was considered TEMPORAL for the consequence of sin HERE AND NOW. That's why we still do have to have temporal repentance for our sins so we don't 'reap and sow' the 'temporal consequence' of sin....even though the 'eternal consequence' price has been paid. Sin committed after getting saved still lead to the temporal death of our mortal bodies."
Not all. The righteous dead (those living by faith not works) (Jesus was the lamb slain before the foundation of the world.) when they died went to abrahams bosom/paradise until Jesus actually shed His blood at Calvary. I do totally agree that sin causes temporal consequences for a believer.
YOu : "No, I missed nothing. I've believed that way for decades.
We're on the same page. Personally I think that those were the
keys for entrance into the kingdom...God calling AND us accepting...not for rebirth salvation, but for entrance into the kingdom of God being manifested here. Which is what the disciples did, under the authority of Jesus but not because they were born again. Being born again wasn't even available for them until after the cross."
Well those keys were specifically given to Peter alone. Can you show where those keys are passed to everyone???
The disciples did not preach the gospel of salvation during the time Jesus was here! They went preaching the gospel of the Kingdom to Israel alone- Jesus came first to offer Israel its prophesied and promised kingdom. They did not preach people had to trust in teh death, burial and resurrection of Jesus for the payment of their sins. This is thie gospel the church preaches- we do not preach "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand!
You : "Basically what we just said. The Rock was the 'stone/pebble' differentiation between 'the Revelation' from the father that Jesus was "
the Christ" which leads to us accepting Him and receiving His Spirit of Christ in us making us "
living stones" which make up the TEMPLE that the Holy Spirit dwells in. Our individual bodies are not 'the temple'. We as "
living stones" and Jesus as the "
cornerstone" make up the singular corporate body/temple."
So the apostle Paul is a liar!
1 Corinthians 6:19
What? know ye not that
your body is the temple of
the Holy Ghost which
is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not
your own?
1 Peter 2:5
Ye also, as
lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
The word "as" tells us Peter is using a metaphor! We are like living stones and as the whole body we are a priesthood, but we are also individual priests unto God as well!
I agree that we are a "corporate" body! but God still indwells us as individual temples
1 Corinthians 3:16
Know ye not that ye are the
temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? singular
1 Corinthians 3:17
If any man defile the
temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the
temple of God is holy, which
temple ye are. singular!
And the Ephesians passage is also true! We as individual temples are being built into the corporate temple! The Bible clearly shows it is not either /or but both/and!