OSAS AND MY WALK WITH THE GOD OF GRACE

Romans 8 said:

Oh, haven't you heard? Jesus already did this for us 2000 years ago! All we need do is accept His grace and we also get to claim this victory. You needn't do a thing! Go make a pizza a celebrate!

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Romans 8 said:

Oh, haven't you heard? Jesus already did this for us 2000 years ago! All we need do is accept His grace and we also get to claim this victory. You needn't do a thing! Go make a pizza a celebrate!

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Gracia Singh said:

Some might call this a deeply flawed, spiritually dangerous proclamation.

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Acts2:38 said:

So the Ethiopian eunuch, and well, everyone in the NT didn't need to be immersed in water? What a strange foreign doctrine you bring. Reminds me of Galatians 1:6-12

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Don't be fooled, you have to do something friend. The NT built an entire chapter on it if you recall Hebrews 11, and might I dare say... James 2:14 and following.

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Romans 8 said:

Do you know what Gospel mean? "Good News"! Allow me to bring you the good news! Ready? You are saved! Now that you know, go make spaghetti or lasagna and celebrate!

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Romans 8 said:

Oh, haven't you heard? Jesus already did this for us 2000 years ago! All we need do is accept His grace and we also get to claim this victory. You needn't do a thing! Go make a pizza a celebrate!

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Romans 8 said:

We do not have to be baptized in water to be saved. It is expected, but it's not a requirement for salvation.



Hebrews is a fairly controversial chapter which I need further study on. Perhaps someone else can address this one.

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1. 
   Galatians 6:9-10
   
   Let us not lose heart in doing good, for in due time we will reap if we do not grow weary. So then, while we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, and especially to those who are of the household of the faith.
   
   
   Matthew 5:38-48
   
   "You have heard that it was said, 'AN EYE FOR AN EYE, AND A TOOTH FOR A TOOTH.' "But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also. "If anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, let him have your coat also.
   
   
   1 Peter 3:8-13
   
   To sum up, all of you be harmonious, sympathetic, brotherly, kindhearted, and humble in spirit; not returning evil for evil or insult for insult, but giving a blessing instead; for you were called for the very purpose that you might inherit a blessing. For, "THE ONE WHO DESIRES LIFE, TO LOVE AND SEE GOOD DAYS, MUST KEEP HIS TONGUE FROM EVIL AND HIS LIPS FROM SPEAKING DECEIT.
   
   
   Psalm 34:12-16
   
   Who is the man who desires life And loves length of days that he may see good? Keep your tongue from evil And your lips from speaking deceit. Depart from evil and do good; Seek peace and pursue it.
   
   
   1 Peter 2:20
   
   For what credit is there if, when you sin and are harshly treated, you endure it with patience? But if when you do what is right and suffer for it you patiently endure it, this finds favor with God.
   
   
   Luke 6:35
   
   "But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return; and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High; for He Himself is kind to ungrateful and evil men.
   
   
   Romans 2:5-11
   
   But because of your stubbornness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, who WILL RENDER TO EACH PERSON ACCORDING TO HIS DEEDS: to those who by perseverance in doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life;
   
   1 Timothy 6:17-19
   
   Instruct those who are rich in this present world not to be conceited or to fix their hope on the uncertainty of riches, but on God, who richly supplies us with all things to enjoy. Instruct them to do good, to be rich in good works, to be generous and ready to share, storing up for themselves the treasure of a good foundation for the future, so that they may take hold of that which is life indeed.
   
   
   
   There's so much more....
   
   

Romans 8 said:

We do not have to be baptized in water to be saved. It is expected, but it's not a requirement for salvation.

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Romans 8 said:

Hebrews is a fairly controversial chapter which I need further study on. Perhaps someone else can address this one.

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GodsGrace101 said:

You don't like Hebrews?
I do hear these days that some books in the N.T. are not liked - basically because they prove there's some stuff we also have to do...Maybe we should re-write the N.T.?

Here are some verses NOT from Hebrews:

1. 
   Galatians 6:9-10
   
   Let us not lose heart in doing good, for in due time we will reap if we do not grow weary. So then, while we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, and especially to those who are of the household of the faith.
   
   
   Matthew 5:38-48
   
   "You have heard that it was said, 'AN EYE FOR AN EYE, AND A TOOTH FOR A TOOTH.' "But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also. "If anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, let him have your coat also.
   
   
   1 Peter 3:8-13
   
   To sum up, all of you be harmonious, sympathetic, brotherly, kindhearted, and humble in spirit; not returning evil for evil or insult for insult, but giving a blessing instead; for you were called for the very purpose that you might inherit a blessing. For, "THE ONE WHO DESIRES LIFE, TO LOVE AND SEE GOOD DAYS, MUST KEEP HIS TONGUE FROM EVIL AND HIS LIPS FROM SPEAKING DECEIT.
   
   
   Psalm 34:12-16
   
   Who is the man who desires life And loves length of days that he may see good? Keep your tongue from evil And your lips from speaking deceit. Depart from evil and do good; Seek peace and pursue it.
   
   
   1 Peter 2:20
   
   For what credit is there if, when you sin and are harshly treated, you endure it with patience? But if when you do what is right and suffer for it you patiently endure it, this finds favor with God.
   
   
   Luke 6:35
   
   "But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return; and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High; for He Himself is kind to ungrateful and evil men.
   
   
   Romans 2:5-11
   
   But because of your stubbornness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, who WILL RENDER TO EACH PERSON ACCORDING TO HIS DEEDS: to those who by perseverance in doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life;
   
   1 Timothy 6:17-19
   
   Instruct those who are rich in this present world not to be conceited or to fix their hope on the uncertainty of riches, but on God, who richly supplies us with all things to enjoy. Instruct them to do good, to be rich in good works, to be generous and ready to share, storing up for themselves the treasure of a good foundation for the future, so that they may take hold of that which is life indeed.
   
   
   
   There's so much more....
   

Does it sound to you like Christians have nothing to do but believe...

Oh, and BTW, what does BELIEVE mean?
Is it a word of action?

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Romans 8 said:

Did I say I don't like Hebrews? lol. When you eat your spaghetti tonight, be sure to order an extra round of gelato, something sweet because you're sounding a little sour

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Romans 8 said:

Did I say I don't like Hebrews? lol. When you eat your spaghetti tonight, be sure to order an extra round of gelato, something sweet because you're sounding a little sour

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Acts2:38 said:

I'm surprised GodsGrace101 hasn't reported you yet for these kind of comments. Shame on you for such things. If you are a Christian, you bring reproach upon Christs church this way.

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Acts2:38 said:

Please recite verses that support this, not just your opinion. The bible is based on facts.

If you don't know already, the NT is written in Koine Greek. The word baptized for example like in Acts 2:38 means:
baptizō = to dip repeatedly, to immerse, to submerge (of vessels sunk)

Don't be blind to what these words actually say and mean. Plenty of verses contest what your idea is. And I am studied enough in scripture to know you have no ground on this matter.

Acts 2:38 also states that we are baptized "FOR" the remission of sins. The Greek word is "eis" which means "FOR" in this case. "Eis" NEVER EVER means "because of". Only when you are baptized do you receive remission of sins AND get the Holy Spirit. You cannot obtain these without baptism. John went around preaching this Mark 1:4

Acts 22:16 = Paul had to "wash away his sins"

Acts 8:36-38 = The Ethiopian studied with Philip enough to know he needed baptism. "look here is water, what hinders me?" He got baptized in water, it was a requirement.

Jesus was baptized in water.

Titus 3:5 = "by the washing of regeneration"

1 Peter 3:20-21 = Baptism saves you.

Getting baptized is the ONLY way you can put on Christ Galatians 3:26-27

To argue against that any further with such scriptures... I will have nothing more to say, and I have done my job according to scripture. You will have no excuses.



Controversial?!

That's the first time I heard that. Is that what the denominational world is spouting now? That Hebrews 11 is controversial?

I know why they would say that though. It flies right in their faces and contradicts their false doctrine of "just believe and you'll be okay. You dont need to do anything". That is a stack of lies. The bible is chalk full of things that counter that false teaching.

I find that it is actually quite an easy read, and very believable. James 2 even ties together with that chapter.

Oh... is it controversial because it ties in with James 2? Denominational world cant have that.

You will either believe the scriptures or you won't. It's your choice. I am just the messenger.

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Gods not mad said:

i have been saved for twenty years and looking back over that time i am thankful for every minute of it. when i was not looking for Jesus he was the one who pursued me and overtook me with his love. Christ saved me out of my debauchery for i was the one sitting at the foot of the tree of good and evil and eating the fruit that was forbidden. i did not choose him he choose me (john 15:16).

my walk with Jesus started of in grace and the fruit of that walk was becoming more and more evident. the fruit i was experiencing had power and was effecting real change for God because my view of the lord was correct (1 john 4:19 ). Christ was using me but over time something began to change in my mind. my understanding that deep understanding of Gods grace had not been rooted in me yet. i began to adopt the mentality that the gift of righteousness/salvation was to great that i must do something in the way of self works to truly be righteous. how can a man who could not save himself by his best attempts to earn salvation lose the gift of salvation by not perfectly performing ''good works'' for righteousness unto salvation. but this began to become my mentality.

so i went on a journey for about 10 years and praise God for it. i began to do ''good works'' not the ones Christ calls us to do through faith while trusting in him but selfish works by my own strength in an attempt to prove something to God (galatians 2:20). now if i do works to fulfill the law the law is what is expected of me (james 2:10). as i began to work through the law/works mentality i noticed something begin to happen, sin began to grow and become more and more of an issue. why? because i was trusting in myself and my ability to keep the law and not Christs finished work on the cross regarding my salvation/righteousness. under the law/works mindset sin took control of me in a greater way then before inappropriate content,bitterness,lust,anger ect.. i was experiencing perceived rejection from God even know he was not rejecting me i was perceiving it and rejections gives sin strength.

this was very confusing because i knew i was Gods son. Jesus was still talking to me,loving me,correcting me, causing me to weep at his presence when he would visit me ect... the Lord would allow me to minister still though it was limited due to the fact that he wanted to protect his children from my preaching of law/grace mix. i began to become very angry with the Lord due to there being something just not right so that perception of rejection caused me to rebel. i began to become aggressive with Jesus i ripped a bible in half and told him what i thought about him along with other acts of anger and frustration towards him. through all that God still loved me as a son. now the relationship was not healthy due to me but he was relentless on his end towards me by showing me grace and mercy. Christ told us to love our enemies and at that time i was his enemy and he loved me.

now being the good pharisee i was i decided to double down on my attempts to fulfill the law/works mentality i had. i preface what i'm about to say with this. all works done in the law are nothing but dirty rags in the eyes of God and those works only harm you further as they did with me and my walk with God. if they are not done understanding Christ is the one who paid the price and not me with a hearts position of receiving his grace they are dead. so in my attempt to please God i fast 40 days 40 nights liquids only 3 times over the course of four years i fasted 37 days, 21 days and countless other smaller fasts. i gave away 70,000 dollars, volunteered for everything i could food ministry,street evangelism,taught classes, ect... and all i got was more frustrated. now those works are good works when resting in Christ and his sacrifice but if done to earn anything from God they are dead and pointless. i felt led of the Lord to add all that to say this God just resisted me even more not in his love because through all this my standing was one of righteousness by his blood but in my peace joy fellowship ect.... any work done to earn salvation God will resist (james 4:1-10) but he doubles down and gives more grace/love this i know.

I WILL NEVER LEAVE YOU NOR FORSAKE YOU
after all of this my actions,my sins,my anger,my disregard for him he remained faithful he remained in control and he kept his position as Lord and God (2 timothy 2:13). you see all this had one point and it was not to punish me or to cast me away it was to lift me up so i could bare fruit. it was to break me in a good way in a loving fathers way. because that is what the law does it breaks those who try to fulfill it (galatians 3:1-5). seeing how God is good all the time and his intentions are good towards his own it was all love even know i was not so loving.

having gone through this section of my walk with the great master now his grace is rooted and i have returned to my first love with that deep understanding of grace i lacked before. to try to earn anything from God by works in order to make ones self righteous will cause your life to fall apart. why? because everything we have from God is a gift everything our righteousness in him is because of him. when Christ fulfilled the law and said it is finished he meant it. it is finished! our sin was paid for past present and future that day on the cross the price of the law was atoned once and for all by our high priest Jesus Christ. no matter how mired down you become he will always leave the 99 and come recklessly pursuing you with his love why? because he loves you because he gave up himself so you would not as a child of God have to go through it. Jesus has placed who he is within you and he can not deny himself. what a great God he is the one who is and who was and who is to come. hallelujah thank you Jesus.

Jesus is the God of grace and grace alone. he has given us salvation and has made us righteous because he has fulfilled the law and we are not required to, nor even to try.

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GodsGrace101 said:

Are you deflecting?
Yes, I believe you are.
You have no answer to my post to you, so you have to make fun of spaghetti and ice-cream...

And you say I'M the one that's bitter?
Take a look in the mirror and then try to answer my post regarding works and how the N.T. clearly states that we are to do them.

OR
Don't reply to me again.

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Gods not mad said:

i have been saved for twenty years and looking back over that time i am thankful for every minute of it. when i was not looking for Jesus he was the one who pursued me and overtook me with his love. Christ saved me out of my debauchery for i was the one sitting at the foot of the tree of good and evil and eating the fruit that was forbidden. i did not choose him he choose me (john 15:16).

my walk with Jesus started of in grace and the fruit of that walk was becoming more and more evident. the fruit i was experiencing had power and was effecting real change for God because my view of the lord was correct (1 john 4:19 ). Christ was using me but over time something began to change in my mind. my understanding that deep understanding of Gods grace had not been rooted in me yet. i began to adopt the mentality that the gift of righteousness/salvation was to great that i must do something in the way of self works to truly be righteous. how can a man who could not save himself by his best attempts to earn salvation lose the gift of salvation by not perfectly performing ''good works'' for righteousness unto salvation. but this began to become my mentality.

so i went on a journey for about 10 years and praise God for it. i began to do ''good works'' not the ones Christ calls us to do through faith while trusting in him but selfish works by my own strength in an attempt to prove something to God (galatians 2:20). now if i do works to fulfill the law the law is what is expected of me (james 2:10). as i began to work through the law/works mentality i noticed something begin to happen, sin began to grow and become more and more of an issue. why? because i was trusting in myself and my ability to keep the law and not Christs finished work on the cross regarding my salvation/righteousness. under the law/works mindset sin took control of me in a greater way then before inappropriate content,bitterness,lust,anger ect.. i was experiencing perceived rejection from God even know he was not rejecting me i was perceiving it and rejections gives sin strength.

this was very confusing because i knew i was Gods son. Jesus was still talking to me,loving me,correcting me, causing me to weep at his presence when he would visit me ect... the Lord would allow me to minister still though it was limited due to the fact that he wanted to protect his children from my preaching of law/grace mix. i began to become very angry with the Lord due to there being something just not right so that perception of rejection caused me to rebel. i began to become aggressive with Jesus i ripped a bible in half and told him what i thought about him along with other acts of anger and frustration towards him. through all that God still loved me as a son. now the relationship was not healthy due to me but he was relentless on his end towards me by showing me grace and mercy. Christ told us to love our enemies and at that time i was his enemy and he loved me.

now being the good pharisee i was i decided to double down on my attempts to fulfill the law/works mentality i had. i preface what i'm about to say with this. all works done in the law are nothing but dirty rags in the eyes of God and those works only harm you further as they did with me and my walk with God. if they are not done understanding Christ is the one who paid the price and not me with a hearts position of receiving his grace they are dead. so in my attempt to please God i fast 40 days 40 nights liquids only 3 times over the course of four years i fasted 37 days, 21 days and countless other smaller fasts. i gave away 70,000 dollars, volunteered for everything i could food ministry,street evangelism,taught classes, ect... and all i got was more frustrated. now those works are good works when resting in Christ and his sacrifice but if done to earn anything from God they are dead and pointless. i felt led of the Lord to add all that to say this God just resisted me even more not in his love because through all this my standing was one of righteousness by his blood but in my peace joy fellowship ect.... any work done to earn salvation God will resist (james 4:1-10) but he doubles down and gives more grace/love this i know.

I WILL NEVER LEAVE YOU NOR FORSAKE YOU
after all of this my actions,my sins,my anger,my disregard for him he remained faithful he remained in control and he kept his position as Lord and God (2 timothy 2:13). you see all this had one point and it was not to punish me or to cast me away it was to lift me up so i could bare fruit. it was to break me in a good way in a loving fathers way. because that is what the law does it breaks those who try to fulfill it (galatians 3:1-5). seeing how God is good all the time and his intentions are good towards his own it was all love even know i was not so loving.

having gone through this section of my walk with the great master now his grace is rooted and i have returned to my first love with that deep understanding of grace i lacked before. to try to earn anything from God by works in order to make ones self righteous will cause your life to fall apart. why? because everything we have from God is a gift everything our righteousness in him is because of him. when Christ fulfilled the law and said it is finished he meant it. it is finished! our sin was paid for past present and future that day on the cross the price of the law was atoned once and for all by our high priest Jesus Christ. no matter how mired down you become he will always leave the 99 and come recklessly pursuing you with his love why? because he loves you because he gave up himself so you would not as a child of God have to go through it. Jesus has placed who he is within you and he can not deny himself. what a great God he is the one who is and who was and who is to come. hallelujah thank you Jesus.

Jesus is the God of grace and grace alone. he has given us salvation and has made us righteous because he has fulfilled the law and we are not required to, nor even to try.

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dqhall said:

Some people died while fasting or doing hunger strikes. Malnutrition can cause brain damage/dementia.

I once thought I could eat whatever I wanted. I have read about Peter's vision and instructions to go to the Gentile Centurion's house in Caesarea and the Holy Spirit instructed him to eat food that was not Kosher. This was a time when Jews would not go into a Gentile's home for fear of being made ritually unclean as they ate unclean foods in their homes.

I ate large amounts of animal protein, but had already started avoiding red meat as it has been declared a probable carcinogen by the World Health Organization. I urinating small uric acid kidney stones. Eventually I had blood in my urine. A scan revealed a bladder stone that was causing my urinary tract pain. I asked the physician's assistant what causes uric acid stones. She said, "Animal protein." I looked it up on the Internet to verify it. I was praying as I no longer thought I might live to be 80, but thought I might die. A few days before my bladder stone operation the spirit led me to turn on my TV to PBS. I was watching Dr. Joel Fuhrman preaching a plant based diet. I ordered his book. I also read books by other doctors recommending plant based diets. I tried to learn from each. I became almost vegan, allowing myself some fish and nutritional supplements. I lost weight, lowered my blood pressure and was rid of kidney stones. My PSA levels dropped and I went off medications for an enlarged prostate. My fast, is not eat meat whenever possible, except on some social occasions.

God will instruct rich people to help the poor. It is a difficult way. One who does this in God's name will not lose his/her reward. Gospel rescue homeless shelters seemed like a good charity for me to give to as I had been homeless and heard some good preaching in a homeless shelter, but there are so many charities and only a few are the best.

Some people live like they are receiving a daily reprieve instead of like they are certain about their OSAS status. Jesus taught, "Many are called, but few are chosen."

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Romans 8 said:

Congratulations on your health improvements. I know this is off topic but in response to your post I just want to say that a vegan diet is not a healthy one for the long term. We do need to consume animal products in moderation. From the research I've done, it's the sugars that are the real culprit in the western diet (bread, wheat, rice, pasta, junk food etc) and the ratio in which we eat them. We need to consume more fat, and less grain, more of a paleo diet and high in fat. Our body doesn't function so well when it's powered on glucose which causes light headedness, brain fog, high/low energy levels, obesity, irritability, the list goes on.

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dqhall said:

One recent study showed people on plant based diets are 40% less likely to die from heart attacks. I have to take B-12, vitamin D, and zinc. I got iodine from kelp tablets.

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Romans 8 said:

There are many verses in the Bible that make this assertion, here is one:

Romans 10:9 If you declare with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

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Romans 8 said:

You people are forgetting that the thief on the cross did neither works, nor as he baptized, yet he was saved. How does that work?

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