Replacement Theology Refuted

Jerryhuerta · Apr 24, 2019

claninja said:
I agree. It pertains to the killing of the enmity between the the Jews and gentiles.

Ephesians 2:14-16 For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility 15by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace,16and might reconcile us both to God in one body through the cross, thereby killing the hostility.

I agree, Christ came to bring enmity between family members

Matthew 10:34-36 Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword.For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. And a person’s enemies will be those of his own household.

I agree

I agree

Matthew 21:3-5 Then the chief priests and the elders of the people gathered in the palace of the high priest, whose name was Caiaphas, 4and plotted together in order to arrest Jesus by stealth and kill him. 5But they said, “Not during the feast, lest there be an uproar among the people.”

Matthew 21:37-38 Finally he sent his son to them, saying, ‘They will respect my son.’ 38But when the tenants saw the son, they said to themselves, ‘This is the heir. Come, let us kill him and have his inheritance.’

But not the remnant elect of the kingdom Judah

Romans 11:1-2 I ask, then, has God rejected his people? By no means! For I myself am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham,a a member of the tribe of Benjamin. God has not rejected his people whom he foreknew.

I agree

Matthew 26:14-15 Then one of the twelve, whose name was Judas Iscariot, went to the chief priests and said, “What will you give me if I deliver him over to you?” And they paid him thirty pieces of silver.

I agree. The Jews persecuted the body of Christ.

Galatians 4:28-29 Now you,f brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. But just as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so also it is now.

Matthew 10:34-36 Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword.For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. And a person’s enemies will be those of his own household.

Correct. But my belief, as I have stated multiple times now, is that the 10 northern tribes who were exiled, became as gentiles. They were divorced by God and became "not my people" thus equal with gentiles in regards to the promises and covenants. Over 700 years, from the assyrian exile to the first advent, many from these 10 northern tribes would mix genetically, socially, and religiously with surrounding nations. Many of the northern tribes became gentiles.

This is substantiated by Paul quoting Hosea as fulfilled with the inclusion of the gentiles into the body of Christ.

Romans 9:24-26 even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles? As indeed he says in Hosea, “Those who were not my people I will call ‘my people,’and her who was not beloved I will call ‘beloved.’” “And in the very place where it was said to them, ‘You are not my people,’
there they will be called ‘sons of the living God.’”

Thus by the inclusion of the gentiles into the body of Christ, God fulfills his promises to Ephraim. God fulfills 2 contradicting promises in one incredible act.

How can there be enmity between Judah and Israel.......

Zechariah 11:14 Then I broke my second staff Union, annulling the brotherhood between Judah and Israel.

.....And yet unity between Judah and Israel?

Hosea 1:11 And the children of Judah and the children of Israel shall be gathered together, and they shall appoint for themselves one head

The body of Christ: Jew and Gentile now have peace by being the Israel of God under one head who is Christ in the new covenant. And yet the Jews who rejected Christ persecuted the Israel of God (Christ the head, Jew and Gentile the body).

As stated in post #292, it's not an aorist verb, it's a perfect tense verb. Big difference. The action is not just a completed and done action in the past, the action is completed and ongoing.

Christ received the authority and this authority is ongoing.

Incorrect, not leaving it out. It actually helps my point. Those overcoming (present tense) until the end, Christ will give (future tense) authority over the nations, just as Christ received (perfect tense) authority from the Father.

Christ receiving the authority is completed and ongoing while those who are presently overcoming until the end will receive it in the future.

This is supported by Paul who states that Christ is above ALL rule and authority authority NOT ONLY IN THIS AGE, but ALSO in the age to come.

Ephesians 1:21 far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and above every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come

You are simply incorrect. "copies" and "true things" are plural, which are describing the "holy places". Thus it is more appropriate for "holy places" to be plural and not singular.

Hebrews 9:24 For Christ has entered, not into holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true things, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God on our behalf.

You are simply deflecting. I'm not arguing that Christ isn't the antitype of the veil. The passage we were discussing is hebrews 9, which has the day of atonement fulfilled in Christ.

Please show where the day of atonement was to save Israel from their enemies and not to atone for sin in order support your opinion.

Right when the gospel went abroad to the nations the promises to Ephraim on Hosea 2:23 were fulfilled, which what 1 Peter 2:9-10 and Romans 9:25-26 confirm; Peter and the apostles were instrumental in fulfilling said scriptures.

The enmity between Judah and Ephraim will end at the consummation of the Davidic kingdom, in the age to come (Isaiah 11). Their brotherhood that is restored in Christ in this age is but a shadow of the consummated kingdom. Aspects of the kingdom were prophesied for this age but the consummation is for the next. It’s called prophetic telescoping. The prophets saw the advents of Christ but were unable to discern them as two events. They viewed them as distant mountaintops, with no knowledge of the valley in between, the intra-advent era.

In that intra-advent era Christ attains power but the kingdoms of the world do not become his to reign over until the time comes for the dead in Christ to receive their reward (Revelation 11).

You’re not grasping the significance of Hebrew 10:20. The veil in sanctuary in heaven is Christ, he stood between God and man, which ended at the cross, which conveys the sanctuary in heaven is not like the earthly one with two compartments; it’s simple the sanctuary, which Hebrew 9:24 relates. Christ entered in the heavenly sanctuary to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself, which is the antitype of the Passover, and spring festivals. This is substantiated in his proclamations he did not come to judge but to save. Yet, the NT is clear that he returns as judge, make war and execute the wrath of God (Revelation 19), which are the antitypes of the autumnal festivals (Zechariah 14). Furthermore, that judgment as his second coming saves his people, which Hebrew 9:27-28 affirms.

jgr · Apr 25, 2019

Jerryhuerta said:
The prophets saw the advents of Christ but were unable to discern them as two events. They viewed them as distant mountaintops, with no knowledge of the valley in between, the intra-advent era.

Scripture disagrees. The prophets saw it all. There were no "mountaintops" and "valley", for:

Luke 3
4 As it is written in the book of the words of Esaias the prophet, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
5 Every valley shall be filled, and every mountain and hill shall be brought low; and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough ways shall be made smooth;
6 And all flesh shall see the salvation of God.

Confirmed:

Acts 3
24 Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.

Acts 15
14 Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.
15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,

Romans 1
1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,
2 (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,)

Romans 3
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

Ephesians 2
19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

1 Peter 1
10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:

claninja · Apr 25, 2019

Jerryhuerta said:
Are we talking past each other?

Most likely

Jerryhuerta said:
I believe your position is Ephraim become a company of nations prior to Christ first advent and I'm saying after his first advent.

My position is that over 700 years, from the Assyrian exile to the 1st advent, many of the 10 northern tribes mixed socially, genetically, and religiously with the surrounding nations. To add to that, God divorced the house of Israel and they became "not my people", thus they became as gentiles in regards to the promises and covenants.

Thus by God including the gentiles through their faith and obedience under Christ, of whom some may have descended from the 10 northern tribes, into the body of Christ, he fulfills his promise to the 10 northern tribes. This can be substantiated by Paul who has hosea fulfilled with the inclusion of the gentiles.

Romans 9:24-25 including us, whom He has called not only from the Jews, but also from the Gentiles? As He says in Hosea: “I will call them ‘My People’ who are not My people,
and I will call her ‘My Beloved’ who is not My beloved,”

So by the time OF Christ's 1st advent, many of the 10 northern tribes had already become a multitude of nations, and with the addition of 2000 years, most likely all the tribes have become a multitude of nations.

parousia70 · Apr 25, 2019

Jerryhuerta said:
Out of curiosity, what is your discipline, first? Are you Amill, or Post, with preterist leanings?

Are Those my only two choices?

LittleLambofJesus said:
Why does that matter?

Good question.
I have no idea why he can't (or won't) answer my question without knowing just how preterist I am first.

But I'll play.
I am a MAXIMUM Partial Preterist.
Eschatologically, I occupy the penultimate point on the sliding scale between partial and full preterism.

Now that that is settled, please explain for us the nature of the MAJOR DEFEAT you believe Satan suffered at the cross.

What power do you say he had before the cross that he no longer possessed after?

claninja · Apr 25, 2019

Jerryhuerta said:
Right when the gospel went abroad to the nations the promises to Ephraim on Hosea 2:23 were fulfilled, which what 1 Peter 2:9-10 and Romans 9:25-26 confirm; Peter and the apostles were instrumental in fulfilling said scriptures.

I agree. Paul has Hosea fulfilled with the inclusion of the gentiles into the body of Christ

Romans 9:24-25 including us, whom He has called not only from the Jews, but also from the Gentiles? As He says in Hosea: “I will call them ‘My People’ who are not My people, and I will call her ‘My Beloved’ who is not My beloved,”h

Jerryhuerta said:
The enmity between Judah and Ephraim will end at the consummation of the Davidic kingdom, in the age to come (Isaiah 11).

I disagree. Paul has the enmity between Jew and gentile ending through the body of Christ.

Ephesians 2:14-16 For He Himself is our peace, who has made the two one and has torn down the dividing wall of hostility by abolishing in His flesh the law of commandments and decrees. He did this to create in Himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace and reconciling both of them to God in one body through the cross, by which He extinguished their hostility.

Jerryhuerta said:
Their brotherhood that is restored in Christ in this age is but a shadow of the consummated kingdom.

I disagree. I don't believe Paul was talking about a "shadow" but about the reality of Jew and Gentile being one new man under Christ.

Ephesians 2:14-16 For He Himself is our peace, who has made the two one and has torn down the dividing wall of hostility by abolishing in His flesh the law of commandments and decrees. He did this to create in Himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace and reconciling both of them to God in one body through the cross, by which He extinguished their hostility.

Jerryhuerta said:
. Aspects of the kingdom were prophesied for this age but the consummation is for the next. It’s called prophetic telescoping.

Never argued against that. I believe this is also commonly called the "already but not yet".

Jerryhuerta said:
In that intra-advent era Christ attains power but the kingdoms of the world do not become his to reign over until the time comes for the dead in Christ to receive their reward (Revelation 11).

The kingdom of God, which is not of this world, comes when Christ ascends to heaven and Satan is cast out
Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him. And I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying: “Now have come the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of His Christ.

Christ then reigns until all his enemies are put under his feet, the last enemy being death
1 Corinthians 15:25-26 For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet. The last enemy to be destroyed is death.

At the judgment of the dead, last enemy defeated, the kingdom of the world becomes the kingdom of God.
revelation 11:15-18 Then the seventh angel blew his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he shall reign forever and ever.” And the twenty-four elders who sit on their thrones before God fell on their faces and worshiped God, saying,“We give thanks to you, Lord God Almighty, who is and who was,for you have taken your great power and begun to reign. The nations raged, but your wrath came,
and the time for the dead to be judged,

This is confirmed by Christ being placed above ALL rule and authority and power and dominion NOT ONLY IN THIS AGE, but ALSO in the age to come. Thus substantiating my claim that Jesus already received the authority (perfect tense)

Ephesians 1:20-21 that he worked in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places, far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and above every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come

Revelation 2:26-27 The one who conquers and who keeps my works until the end, to him I will give authority over the nations, and he will rulec them with a rod of iron, as when earthen pots are broken in pieces, even as I myself have received (perfect tense) authority from my Father

Jerryhuerta said:
You’re not grasping the significance of Hebrew 10:20. The veil in sanctuary in heaven is Christ, he stood between God and man, which ended at the cross, which conveys the sanctuary in heaven is not like the earthly one with two compartments; it’s simple the sanctuary, which Hebrew 9:24 relates. Christ entered in the heavenly sanctuary to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself, which is the antitype of the Passover, and spring festivals. This is substantiated in his proclamations he did not come to judge but to save. Yet, the NT is clear that he returns as judge, make war and execute the wrath of God (Revelation 19), which are the antitypes of the autumnal festivals (Zechariah 14). Furthermore, that judgment as his second coming saves his people, which Hebrew 9:27-28 affirms.

Just more side stepping. We have already agreed that Christ is the antitype of the veil. That's not the discussion.

Christ appeared in the PRESENCE of God. Is the presence of God in the Holy place or in the Most Holy Place?

Nor does Christ offer himself repeatedly AS the HIGH PRIEST entered the holy places YEARLY. This clearly points to the day of atonement, which refutes your position that the day of atonement is not yet fulfilled.

Hebrews 9:24-25 For Christ has entered, not into holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true things, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God on our behalf. Nor was it to offer himself repeatedly, as the high priest enters the holy places every year with blood not his own,

"to make atonement" is present tense, not future.
Hebrews 2:17 Therefore he had to be made like his brothers in every respect, so that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in the service of God, to make atonement for the sins of the people

Jerryhuerta · Apr 25, 2019

jgr said:
Scripture disagrees. The prophets saw it all. There were no "mountaintops" and "valley", for:

Luke 3
4 As it is written in the book of the words of Esaias the prophet, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
5 Every valley shall be filled, and every mountain and hill shall be brought low; and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough ways shall be made smooth;
6 And all flesh shall see the salvation of God.

Confirmed:

Acts 3
24 Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.

Acts 15
14 Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.
15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,

Romans 1
1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,
2 (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,)

Romans 3
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

Ephesians 2
19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

1 Peter 1
10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:

No; they saw the day Christ would suffer (Isaiah 53) and the day he would judge the world and rule (Isaiah 11), but they did not see the span in between, with the exception of Daniel and John and their apocalyptic books. The texts you cite pertain to the time Christ would suffer.

Jerryhuerta · Apr 25, 2019

claninja said:
I agree. Paul has Hosea fulfilled with the inclusion of the gentiles into the body of Christ

Again, your perception of Ephraim is an anachronism, anthropologically as well as scripturally.

claninja said:
I disagree. Paul has the enmity between Jew and gentile ending through the body of Christ.

I was speaking of Judah and Ephraim. Isaiah 11 prophecies their enmity does not end until Christ returns, which is why he did not come to establish his kingdom.

claninja said:
I disagree. I don't believe Paul was talking about a "shadow" but about the reality of Jew and Gentile being one new man under Christ.

Again, I was speaking of Judah and Ephraim. Isaiah 11 prophecies their enmity does not end until Christ returns, which is why he did not come to establish his kingdom.

claninja said:
The kingdom of God, which is not of this world, comes when Christ ascends to heaven and Satan is cast out… Christ then reigns until all his enemies are put under his feet, the last enemy being death… At the judgment of the dead, last enemy defeated, the kingdom of the world becomes the kingdom of God… This is confirmed by Christ being placed above ALL rule and authority and power and dominion NOT ONLY IN THIS AGE, but ALSO in the age to come. Thus substantiating my claim that Jesus already received the authority (perfect tense)

Satan is cast to earth, Revelation 12, where he makes war with the saints and overcomes them, Revelation 13, and when the dead in Christ are raised the kingdoms of the world become Christ’s, Revelation 11, which substantiates Satan continues to rule the earth until Christ returns, even if Christ has all authority, as his Father had even before Satan was cast to earth.

claninja said:
Just more side stepping. We have already agreed that Christ is the antitype of the veil. That's not the discussion.

Christ appeared in the PRESENCE of God. Is the presence of God in the Holy place or in the Most Holy Place?

Nor does Christ offer himself repeatedly AS the HIGH PRIEST entered the holy places YEARLY. This clearly points to the day of atonement, which refutes your position that the day of atonement is not yet fulfilled.

Christ offered himself once to put away our sins (Hebrew 9:26) when he came before the Father, which was in fulfillment of the spring festivals, he was the antitype of the Passover lamb. You're sidestepping this. And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment, verse 27, affirms that the antitype of the day of atonement comes when men are judged at Christ’s second appearance.

LittleLambofJesus · Apr 25, 2019

Jerryhuerta said: ↑
The enmity between Judah and Ephraim will end at the consummation of the Davidic kingdom, in the age to come (Isaiah 11).

No, the enmity will end when they each come to the faith that is of Jesus. No such thing as a future fantasy physical Davidic kingdom........Pure zionist dispy hogwash........

Jerryhuerta · Apr 25, 2019

LittleLambofJesus said:
No, the enmity will end when they each come to the faith that is of Jesus. No such thing as a future fantasy physical Davidic kingdom........Pure zionist dispy hogwash........

So why should I waste my time responding to mere denials, except to expose their folly?

LittleLambofJesus · Apr 25, 2019

Jerryhuerta said:
So why should I waste my time responding to mere denials, except to expose their folly?

Likewise............

Jerryhuerta · Apr 25, 2019

LittleLambofJesus said:
Likewise............

But I don't make mere denials as you do.

jgr · Apr 25, 2019

Jerryhuerta said:
The texts you cite pertain to the time Christ would suffer.

They pertain to that, and to the entire New Testament era which followed, and which continues to follow.

Jerryhuerta · Apr 25, 2019

jgr said:
They pertain to that, and to the entire New Testament era which followed, and which continues to follow.

Of course, the doctrines of your ilk suppress the scriptures pertaining to the autumal festivals, when Christ returns a king.

LittleLambofJesus · Apr 25, 2019

jgr said: ↑
They pertain to that, and to the entire New Testament era which followed, and which continues to follow.

Jerryhuerta said:
Of course, the doctrines of your ilk suppress the scriptures pertaining to the autumal festivals, when Christ returns a king.

Says one ilk to the other ilk.......

jgr · Apr 26, 2019

Jerryhuerta said:
Of course, the doctrines of your ilk suppress the scriptures pertaining to the autumal festivals, when Christ returns a king.

Feel free to cite the Scriptures which you think have been suppressed, pertaining to the doctrines of your own ilk.

Do you think that the Scriptures that I've cited suppress the Scriptures that you cite?

claninja · Apr 26, 2019

Jerryhuerta said:
Again, your perception of Ephraim is an anachronism, anthropologically as well as scripturally.

This does not surmount that Paul has Hosea fulfilled with the inclusion of the gentiles.

Romans 9:24-25 including us, whom He has called not only from the Jews, but also from the Gentiles? As He says in Hosea: “I will call them ‘My People’ who are not My people, and I will call her ‘My Beloved’ who is not My beloved,”h

Jerryhuerta said:
I was speaking of Judah and Ephraim. Isaiah 11 prophecies their enmity does not end until Christ returns, which is why he did not come to establish his kingdom.

So was I.

Paul states the enmity has been removed through Christ.

Ephesians 2:14-16 For He Himself is our peace, who has made the two one and has torn down the dividing wall of hostility by abolishing in His flesh the law of commandments and decrees. He did this to create in Himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace and reconciling both of them to God in one body through the cross, by which He extinguished their hostility.

Jerryhuerta said:
Again, I was speaking of Judah and Ephraim. Isaiah 11 prophecies their enmity does not end until Christ returns, which is why he did not come to establish his kingdom.

So was I

Paul states the enmity has been removed through Christ.

Ephesians 2:14-16 For He Himself is our peace, who has made the two one and has torn down the dividing wall of hostility by abolishing in His flesh the law of commandments and decrees. He did this to create in Himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace and reconciling both of them to God in one body through the cross, by which He extinguished their hostility.

Jerryhuerta said:
Satan is cast to earth, Revelation 12,

Satan is cast out when Christ ascends.

Revelation 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he had been thrown down to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child

John 12:31 Now is the judgment of this world; now will the ruler of this world be cast out. And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself.”

when Satan is cast out, the kingdom of God comes

Revelation 12:10 Now have come the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God,
and the authority of His Christ. For the accuser of our brothers has been thrown down—

Jerryhuerta said:
which substantiates Satan continues to rule the earth until Christ returns, even if Christ has all authority, as his Father had even before Satan was cast to earth.

Satan is not the ruler of the earth, Christ is. Satan's authority is allowed by the ruler of the earth.

Revelation 1:5 and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth.

Jerryhuerta said:
Christ offered himself once to put away our sins (Hebrew 9:26) when he came before the Father, which was in fulfillment of the spring festivals, he was the antitype of the Passover lamb. You're sidestepping this.

I have never side stepped this, I have not addressed it because I agree. the spring festivals types were fulfilled through the antitype of Christ. Our conversation was not about the spring feasts, but about the day of atonement (one of the fall feasts).

Jerryhuerta said:
And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment, verse 27, affirms that the antitype of the day of atonement comes when men are judged at Christ’s second appearance.

you are continuing to avoid Hebrews 9:24-25 which refutes your position that the day of atonement has not been fulfilled.

1.) Christ entered into God's presence, which was the true Most Holy place.
2.) "Copies of the true things" is plural, which is describing the holy places
3.) Christ is compared to the high priest who enters the holy places YEARLY

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Jerryhuerta · Apr 28, 2019

jgr said:
Feel free to cite the Scriptures which you think have been suppressed, pertaining to the doctrines of your own ilk.

Do you think that the Scriptures that I've cited suppress the Scriptures that you cite?

It's obvious to me that you haven't been reading the thread thoroughly to ask such questions.

Jerryhuerta · Apr 28, 2019

claninja said:
This does not surmount that Paul has Hosea fulfilled with the inclusion of the gentiles.

As I stated, I don’t agree with your interpretation because it is an anachronism, anthropologically as well as scripturally. Hosea prophesied about Ephraim, not the gentiles.

claninja said:
So was I.

Paul states the enmity has been removed through Christ.

No, you were not. Zechariah 11:14, supported by Matthew 10:34-36, prophesied that Christ would not bring peace but enmity between Ephraim and Judah and Isaiah 11:13 affirms this enmity “completely” ends when Christ strikes the earth with the rod of his mouth to kill the wicked, which is the second advent. Both texts substantiate that in God’s perception Ephraim is to be interpreted as distinct from the gentiles, even when they have mixed with them according to Hosea 7:8. Ephesians 2 concerns the abatement of the enmity between the biological descendants of Abraham and the gentiles. You misapply the text just as you do with Romans 9:25-26. Matthew 10:34-36 affirms Christ did not come to establish his kingdom.

claninja said:
Satan is not the ruler of the earth, Christ is. Satan's authority is allowed by the ruler of the earth.

Satan’s authority has been allowed since man fell. God has always been the ruler of the earth; he created it. The point your avoiding is that the narration in Revelation 19-20 is linear. Christ returns in Revelation 19, recapping Revelation 11, and then Satan is chained in the pit where he can no longer deceive the nations in Revelation 20, and then the saints reign with Christ in the Davidic kingdom, promised in Revelation 2:26-27. Christ’s kingdom is the age to come, not this one.

claninja said:
I have never side stepped this, I have not addressed it because I agree. the spring festivals types were fulfilled through the antitype of Christ. Our conversation was not about the spring feasts, but about the day of atonement (one of the fall feasts)… you are continuing to avoid Hebrews 9:24-25 which refutes your position that the day of atonement has not been fulfilled.

1.) Christ entered into God's presence, which was the true Most Holy place.
2.) "Copies of the true things" is plural, which is describing the holy places
3.) Christ is compared to the high priest who enters the holy places YEARLY

But it is you that is sidestepping the significance that the context of Hebrews 9:24 concerns the spring festivals and not the autumnal. The context does not support the day of atonement. And Hebrews 10:20 adds Christ is the antitype of the veil, which was in the presence of God and the first compartment in the earthly sanctuary. Such evidence does not support the autumnal festivals were fulfilled at the first advent. Such a notion is a suppression of the purpose of the seven months between the spring and autumnal festivals, which was to separate the first and second advents.

jgr · Apr 28, 2019

Jerryhuerta said:
It's obvious to me that you haven't been reading the thread thoroughly to ask such questions.

Scripture interprets, clarifies, amplifies, and illuminates Scripture.

Scripture does not "suppress" Scripture. The Scripture I cite does not "suppress" the Scripture you cite.

Your "suppression" allegation is false.

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Hebrews 2:14.... Pesky Devil, git!

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