Are Seventh Day Adventists open to OSAS because i saw that in a thread i found on bing?

Monk Brendan said:

How can one speak about a false prophet respectfully?

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LOL! I know your predicament! You can't when you believe they are false. I try to be respectful on the Mormon threads---but I fail miserably! You have to say it like you see it and I will not get upset about it.
I do prefer for people to post specifics with the actual quotes though and not just what they think she said. That way I can look up the actual quotes with it's entire context.

mmksparbud said:

Yah---I've been reported several times! I've only reported one person, for he got very obnoxious--and it wasn't about the Sabbath. And a few trolls that posted inappropriate content. I won't report those that have gotten "heated" in our discussions though. But they do report me for very slight stuff. I have a very sarcastic streak in me and I get blamed for goading and flaming a lot! I do try so hard to curb it!

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Yes, the only times I've reported someone (and it's probably been like two or three or maybe four times total my whole history of CF) is when the post has been offensive in some over-the-top, even graphic, way, and I don't believe any of those posts were in any of the sabbath threads. It's most likely they were in a political thread.

However, I've been reported a few times in the sabbath threads specifically so it seems someone over there starts getting report-happy after a while! When things get heated, I do try to make it more about what the person is saying vs. the person, but sometimes it may not be perceived in that way.

Monk Brendan said:

How can one speak about a false prophet respectfully?

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Oh, I guess you would be really pleased then if I entered the Melkite Catholic forum and began deriding your beliefs. No, I won't report you, but your behavior is out-of-bounds in my eyes. I would never do to you and your church members what you are doing to my church and church members.

mmksparbud said:

LOL! I know your predicament! You can't when you believe they are false. I try to be respectful on the Mormon threads---but I fail miserably! You have to say it like you see it and I will not get upset about it.
I do prefer for people to post specifics with the actual quotes though and not just what they think she said. That way I can look up the actual quotes with it's entire context.

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I have no problem with someone who gets heated in a discussion when sarcasm and disrespect are shown. I do have a problem with a non-SDA enters an area in which there is to be only respectful discussion and immediately begins ridiculing and disrespecting my church and my beliefs right off the top. The arrogance shown by doing that is just plain old disgusting in my eyes.

I would never go to a Mormon, Jehovah's Witness, Catholic, Baptist, Methodist, etc... forum and begin ridiculing them and/or their beliefs. I would argue positions and show from scripture why I believe they are wrong in their beliefs, but I would never go there just to put them down.

Jesus said to live by the Golden Rule for that is the fulfillment of the law and the prophets, and since I would like someone to show me where I'm wrong, and not just begin by basically calling me an idiot without a brain I won't do that to anyone else. And as I am always open to learning something new, I like it when I'm challenged on beliefs for having to explain my beliefs to different individuals with different points of view causes me to reexamine my beliefs and make sure I can explain them in a cogent manner.

Gary K said:

Oh, I guess you would be really pleased then if I entered the Melkite Catholic forum and began deriding your beliefs. No, I won't report you, but your behavior is out-of-bounds in my eyes. I would never do to you and your church members what you are doing to my church and church members.

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Sorry---but we can't get all riled up over this. They firmly believe she is a false prophet and you need to take their points, one by one and go through them. I ask them to quote what they feel is in error and then correct . You can not make anyone believe what you want them to. We are proclaiming the Catholic teachings to be the future beast in Revelation, which any way you slice it, is going to upset the Catholics. We can not say it any other way than what we believe the bible is saying and try to get them to understand that we are not anti-Catholic, but anti-Catholic teaching. They may or not see that, and think we are being very offensive. Orthodox are close to Catholicism and they find us totally offensive so there is no way I can get all upset for them calling us worse than "weird", un-Christian, and a cult. That is mild stuff compared to what they are actually thinking!! I am not here to get offended, but to correct whenever I see something that is not true. They have enough trouble understanding what is true! This guy was not ridiculing--he was simply saying what he felt to be true.

Everyone just needs to keep this in mind:

Psa 119:165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.

mmksparbud said:

Sorry---but we can't get all riled up over this. They firmly believe she is a false prophet and you need to take their points, one by one and go through them. I ask them to quote what they feel is in error and then correct . You can not make anyone believe what you want them to. We are proclaiming the Catholic teachings to be the future beast in Revelation, which any way you slice it, is going to upset the Catholics. We can not say it any other way than what we believe the bible is saying and try to get them to understand that we are not anti-Catholic, but anti-Catholic teaching. They may or not see that, and think we are being very offensive. Orthodox are close to Catholicism and they find us totally offensive so there is no way I can get all upset for them calling us worse than "weird", un-Christian, and a cult. That is mild stuff compared to what they are actually thinking!! I am not here to get offended, but to correct whenever I see something that is not true. They have enough trouble understanding what is true! This guy was not ridiculing--he was simply saying what he felt to be true.

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The guy didn't even post any thing but unsupported assertions. No evidence, no specific claims. Nothing but derision. And, no, I'm not mad. I'm just saying what I think. It is appropriate to have boundaries, and you of all people ought to know that after what you've been through.

All I am doing is saying what my boundaries are and how I treat others. I expect to be treated the same way. If someone refuses to do that, then there isn't much that can be discussed between us. I am not saying this about you, but about the Melkite catholic who thought it a great idea to come here to trash SDAs.

Gary K said:

I would never go to a Mormon, Jehovah's Witness, Catholic, Baptist, Methodist, etc... forum and begin ridiculing them and/or their beliefs. I would argue positions and show from scripture why I believe they are wrong in their beliefs, but I would never go there just to put them down.

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Actually, I don't believe we are even supposed to argue beliefs that are not in accordance with the particular faith group since it is supposed to be a safe space for members of the group to have discussions without having to constantly defend their positions from "outsiders". You should not need to defend a belief of Ellen White being a prophet here unless it is with another Traditional SDA (though I'm not sure why that would happen.)

Gary K said:

The guy didn't even post any thing but unsupported assertions. No evidence, no specific claims. Nothing but derision. And, no, I'm not mad. I'm just saying what I think. It is appropriate to have boundaries, and you of all people ought to know that after what you've been through.

All I am doing is saying what my boundaries are and how I treat others. I expect to be treated the same way. If someone refuses to do that, then there isn't much that can be discussed between us. I am not saying this about you, but about the Melkite catholic who thought it a great idea to come here to trash SDAs.

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Yes, I know. Most of them don't. You've apparently not really been insulted before! I've had Ex SDA's come on here and try to put down EGW and the church. One was very adamant he was going to destroy her---I said fine--go right ahead. If you were to prove she is a false prophet beyond a shadow of a doubt---the church would not fold up and die---if you throw her out the window--our doctrines would still stand for they are not based on her writings, but on the bible. I asked him what doctrines he had turned his back on now that he had left the church---he never answered, he closed the thread.

Please forgive me, but I have a very warped sense of humor and I can get quite sarcastic without meaning harm but I can't get upset over others saying what they think when I have been reported more than most people on here! I've never meant it they way it was taken, but that is beside the point---I am still very close to getting kicked off the website for a month for almost having the full quota of allowed reports!!

You are free to get offended---I just don't. I really can't seem to, as I said, I find humor in the oddest things!
I take it you are far more able to be politically correct than I. Been here too long, I guess!!

bekkilyn said:

Actually, I don't believe we are even supposed to argue beliefs that are not in accordance with the particular faith group since it is supposed to be a safe space for members of the group to have discussions without having to constantly defend their positions from "outsiders". You should not need to defend a belief of Ellen White being a prophet here unless it is with another Traditional SDA (though I'm not sure why that would happen.)

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YOU ARE CORRECT!! I also frequently didn't even bother to look at the forum it is under and just go by the title of the thread and have been asked to leave before as I was totally intruding! Yes--this is under Traditional Adventists Forum and so only SDA's are allowed to discuss without "outsiders" putting us down. My apologies Gary K! Under the forum rules, he shouldn't have said what he did.

bekkilyn said:

Actually, I don't believe we are even supposed to argue beliefs that are not in accordance with the particular faith group since it is supposed to be a safe space for members of the group to have discussions without having to constantly defend their positions from "outsiders". You should not need to defend a belief of Ellen White being a prophet here unless it is with another Traditional SDA (though I'm not sure why that would happen.)

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I don't actually agree with the rule here that non-SDAs shouldn't post and ask questions or question SDA beliefs here. I believe that rule should be, at the very least, modified to allow discussion. I just have a problem with someone coming here to just to insult and deride. And, whatever his name was, came here to do that simply because someone was wanting to learn about SDA beliefs. It's incredibly rude and arrogant. It's trolling at a high level.

I really hate being a ratfink so I would never report the guy, but I will tell him what I think. I guess I'm just independent that way. Going to an authority figure and whining about things just isn't within me to do.

mmksparbud said:

YOU ARE CORRECT!! I also frequently didn't even bother to look at the forum it is under and just go by the title of the thread and have been asked to leave before as I was totally intruding! Yes--this is under Traditional Adventists Forum and so only SDA's are allowed to discuss without "outsiders" putting us down. My apologies Gary K! Under the forum rules, he shouldn't have said what he did.

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No biggie. I took no offense. But, just for your information I've been online for a good 20 years. I'm conservative theologically, politically(actually a constitutionalist), and economically(a believer in Austrian economic theory), and if you think anyone can debate those three subjects from my points of view with people of the opposite persuasion in those areas and not get insulted on a regular basis, well, I don't know what to say.

Gary K said:

I don't actually agree with the rule here that non-SDAs shouldn't post and ask questions or question SDA beliefs here. I believe that rule should be, at the very least, modified to allow discussion. I just have a problem with someone coming here to just to insult and deride. And, whatever his name was, came here to do that simply because someone was wanting to learn about SDA beliefs. It's incredibly rude and arrogant. It's trolling at a high level.

I really hate being a ratfink so I would never report the guy, but I will tell him what I think. I guess I'm just independent that way. Going to an authority figure and whining about things just isn't within me to do.

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They can ask questions--they can not debate nor post opposing views or teach their point of view. There are other forums where that can be done. Each denomination has their own "safe house" to discuss and fellowship without being put down. I didn't notice the forum this was under.

Gary K said:

No biggie. I took no offense. But, just for your information I've been online for a good 20 years. I'm conservative theologically, politically(actually a constitutionalist), and economically(a believer in Austrian economic theory), and if you think anyone can debate those three subjects from my points of view with people of the opposite persuasion in those areas and not get insulted on a regular basis, well, I don't know what to say.

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Ok! I stand corrected! You are, indeed, an insult survivor!

Gary K said:

Oh, I guess you would be really pleased then if I entered the Melkite Catholic forum and began deriding your beliefs. No, I won't report you, but your behavior is out-of-bounds in my eyes. I would never do to you and your church members what you are doing to my church and church members.

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I really doubt you have a clue what the Melkites believe.

mmksparbud said:

They can ask questions--they can not debate nor post opposing views or teach their point of view. There are other forums where that can be done. Each denomination has their own "safe house" to discuss and fellowship without being put down. I didn't notice the forum this was under.[/QUOTE]

***Chuckles*** My account here is actually pretty old. I haven't posted here very much though, and won't upgrade my account so the only forums I'm allowed to post in are the SDA forums, at least these are the only ones I've not been told programmatically that I don't have permission to post. I suppose it's possible that there might be other forums where I might be able to post but I've never spent the time to look at this entire site. If that wasn't the case I wouldn't have noticed where this thread was posted either. You have lots of company in that regard....

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This is weird software. It keeps adding an end quote at the end of my post so that it appears to be part of my quoting your post.

mmksparbud said:

LOL! I know your predicament! You can't when you believe they are false. I try to be respectful on the Mormon threads---but I fail miserably! You have to say it like you see it and I will not get upset about it.
I do prefer for people to post specifics with the actual quotes though and not just what they think she said. That way I can look up the actual quotes with it's entire context.

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In one of them written at or shortly after an SDA conference, EGW said, "My angel told me that some of them present would be food for worms, others subjects of the seven last plagues, and still others would be alive to be translated when Jesus returns."

Curiously enough, while the index of her writings have alt least 9 pages of her quotes when she trashes the RCC, she has NOTHING to say about Orthodoxy or the other Eastern Churches.

Could it be that she simply was not aware of our existence?

You should have access to nearly all of the forums. If you click on the "Forums" tab at the top of the page, it should list them all out for you. There are only a few that require special permission or an upgraded account.

Monk Brendan said:

I really doubt you have a clue what the Melkites believe.

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Yeah, just more insults. Troll on melkite.

bekkilyn said:

You should have access to nearly all of the forums. If you click on the "Forums" tab at the top of the page, it should list them all out for you. There are only a few that require special permission or an upgraded account.

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That could be it's just that any time I've looked at recent posts site wide and found one that I would like to post to I was denied permission so I've just restricted my posting to the SDA forums and do all the rest of my posting on other sites. It just wasn't worth the hassle to keep on trying to find one I could post to. I figure I have more productive ways to spend my time.