What is the impact of Evolution on the doctrine of Salvation?

AV1611VET said:

Call it a "sixth sense," if it'll help you understand.

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You claim to have a sixth sense, but you forsake the other five.

You seem to come out the loser in that deal.

No, No, No your all wrong once again.

It's that a Christian is Alive having been Born Again of the Spirit, now being able to both see and hear, therefore he is able to gain both understanding and knowledge.

Whereas a person who is not Born Again, is dead in their sins, and not able to see or hear anything Spiritual because, it's not meant for then to understand, they first have to acknowledge that there is a God, and that His Son Jesus died for their sins and not until that takes place will they be able to understand anything in the Spiritual Realm, because they are dead to it in Adam (because of the Fall).

You see is really is very simple once you know where it is you stand, either in or out of Christ, everyone makes their own choice where it is they will be.

JIMINZ said:

No, No, No your all wrong once again.

It's that a Christian is Alive having been Born Again of the Spirit, now being able to both see and hear, therefore he is able to gain both understanding and knowledge.

Whereas a person who is not Born Again, is dead in their sins, and not able to see or hear anything Spiritual because, it's not meant for then to understand, they first have to acknowledge that there is a God, and that His Son Jesus died for their sins and not until that takes place will they be able to understand anything in the Spiritual Realm, because they are dead to it in Adam (because of the Fall).

You see is really is very simple once you know where it is you stand, either in or out of Christ, everyone makes their own choice where it is they will be.

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Yes, all of that is true, but what has it to do with the literal inerrancy of Genesis?

Belk said:

I see. So your claim is that you have understanding that extends beyond human reasoning? An understanding that can, apparently, not be conveyed using human logic?

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Human reasoning is temporal whereas, an Un-Saved human cannot understand Spiritual things, it is out of their realm of understanding, being limited by their humanity (Flesh).

The understanding isn't found in human logic, it is on a higher plain, (A Spiritual) therefore those who would deny the existence of both God and His Christ, have in essence denied the existence of a Spiritual Realm where there is Life, Understanding and Knowledge, in doing so, they will not Understand until they become Born Again of the Spirit of God, because they are incapable of either Perceiving or Comprehending Truth.

My belief is, you will not read these following verses, but I will post them anyway.

1Co 1:18-31
18) For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
19) For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
20) Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
21) For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
22) For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
23) But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
24) But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
25) Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
26) For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
27) But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
28) And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
29) That no flesh should glory in his presence.
30) But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
31) That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

JIMINZ said:

Human reasoning is temporal whereas, an Un-Saved human cannot understand Spiritual things, it is out of their realm of understanding, being limited by their humanity (Flesh).

The understanding isn't found in human logic, it is on a higher plain, (A Spiritual) therefore those who would deny the existence of both God and His Christ, have in essence denied the existence of a Spiritual Realm where there is Life, Understanding and Knowledge, in doing so, they will not Understand until they become Born Again of the Spirit of God, because they are incapable of either Perceiving or Comprehending Truth.

My belief is, you will not read these following verses, but I will post them anyway.

1Co 1:18-31
18) For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
19) For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
20) Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
21) For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
22) For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
23) But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
24) But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
25) Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
26) For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
27) But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
28) And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
29) That no flesh should glory in his presence.
30) But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
31) That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

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Preaching empty claims is not very convincing. If Christians had an understanding beyond others not only could they demonstrate it, if there was some way to determine that they were right there would be a unified message. Instead we see thousands of sects with thousands of interpretations all of them declaring that they are the correct one. The lack of consensus among Christians is evidence against it.

But it seems that we are far off topic here. Has the question of the OP been answered?

Speedwell said:

Yes, all of that is true, but what has it to do with the literal inerrancy of Genesis?

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The inerrancy of Genesis is not the topic of this thread is it?

Subduction Zone said:

Preaching empty claims is not very convincing. If Christians had an understanding beyond others not only could they demonstrate it, if there was some way to determine that they were right there would be a unified message. Instead we see thousands of sects with thousands of interpretations all of them declaring that they are the correct one. The lack of consensus among Christians is evidence against it.

But it seems that we are far off topic here. Has the question of the OP been answered?

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Sure it has, I answered it 3 time myself, have you answered it?

Subduction Zone said:

Preaching empty claims is not very convincing. If Christians had an understanding beyond others not only could they demonstrate it, if there was some way to determine that they were right there would be a unified message. Instead we see thousands of sects with thousands of interpretations all of them declaring that they are the correct one. The lack of consensus among Christians is evidence against it.

But it seems that we are far off topic here. Has the question of the OP been answered?

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Oh but there is one Unified Message throughout all of Christendom, which you seem to have missed.

"Jesus Christ is the Sacrifice for your sins, Repent and be Saved."

Mark 16:16
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

It's a message too simple for some, too complicated for others.

JIMINZ said:

Oh but there is one Unified Message throughout all of Christendom, which you seem to have missed.

"Jesus Christ is the Sacrifice for your sins, Repent and be Saved."

Mark 16:16
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

It's a message too simple for some, too complicated for others.

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.And even that is debated at times. And that is among Christians. And if that is the case there was no point to the copy and paste of the Bible that you did.

JIMINZ said:

Sure it has, I answered it 3 time myself, have you answered it?

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I could answer it for when I was a Christian. As I saw it God could not lie, so the Genesis account could not be taken literally. But the theory itself should have no impact on the salvation message.

AV1611VET said:

Call it a "sixth sense," if it'll help you understand.

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Call it the complete bupkis it is. You do not have an understanding that surpasses the rest of humanity.

JIMINZ said:

Human reasoning is temporal whereas, an Un-Saved human cannot understand Spiritual things, it is out of their realm of understanding, being limited by their humanity (Flesh).

The understanding isn't found in human logic, it is on a higher plain, (A Spiritual) therefore those who would deny the existence of both God and His Christ, have in essence denied the existence of a Spiritual Realm where there is Life, Understanding and Knowledge, in doing so, they will not Understand until they become Born Again of the Spirit of God, because they are incapable of either Perceiving or Comprehending Truth.

My belief is, you will not read these following verses, but I will post them anyway.

1Co 1:18-31
18) For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
19) For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
20) Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
21) For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
22) For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
23) But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
24) But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
25) Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
26) For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
27) But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
28) And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
29) That no flesh should glory in his presence.
30) But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
31) That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

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I do not find your claims of having understanding that surpasses the rest of humanity credible.

JIMINZ said:

Whereas a person who is not Born Again, is dead in their sins, and not able to see or hear anything Spiritual because, it's not meant for then to understand, they first have to acknowledge that there is a God, and that His Son Jesus died for their sins and not until that takes place will they be able to understand anything in the Spiritual Realm, because they are dead to it in Adam (because of the Fall).

You see is really is very simple once you know where it is you stand, either in or out of Christ, everyone makes their own choice where it is they will be.

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Were the authors of the Old Testament able to understand things in the Spiritual Realm, even though they didn't know that Jesus was going to die for their sins?

JIMINZ said:

The inerrancy of Genesis is not the topic of this thread is it?

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Creationism is the denial of science based on a literal interpretation of Genesis.

Belk said:

You do not have an understanding that surpasses the rest of humanity.

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That's true.

I have a whole family of brothers and sisters who share the same understanding.

Not to mention I'm part of a rich history of missionaries and martyrs.

Care to join us?

AV1611VET said:

That's true.

I have a whole family of brothers and sisters who share the same understanding.

Not to mention I'm part of a rich history of missionaries and martyrs.

Care to join us?

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It remains human understanding and prone to error. Thank you for the sincere offer, but I shall pass.

Belk said:

It remains human understanding and prone to error. Thank you for the sincere offer, but I shall pass.

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If you ever change your mind, Jesus is just a call away.

Just "dial" JEREMIAH 333

Jeremiah 33:3 Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and shew thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.

AV1611VET said:

If you ever change your mind, Jesus is just a call away.

Just "dial" JEREMIAH 333

Jeremiah 33:3 Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and shew thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.

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I do not claim it likely but I will not rule it out.

Subduction Zone said:

.And even that is debated at times. And that is among Christians. And if that is the case there was no point to the copy and paste of the Bible that you did.

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Sure there was, you need to hear it as often as can be heard.

Belk said:

I do not find your claims of having understanding that surpasses the rest of humanity credible.

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You REALLY don't have to.