Isaiah 40:22 -- "Globe of the Earth"

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That is not what you have been saying. That's the problem. If you look at that coordinate system all three, x,y, and z go out to space. You have been describing this:

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Notice that the x and y directions are parallel to the disc and z is up which is what you repeatedly claimed.
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The globe Jesus holds in His hand in this picture is also called globus cruciger (Latin for "cross-bearing orb"). This Christian tradition of the globus cruciger first began in the 5th century A.D. Flat earthers claim Christians taught globe earth during this time which is not true.
 
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Richard Carrier failed in his pursuit of an academic career due to his dubious approach to history. The article below is from a well known atheist site that exposes Carrier as a fraud.
Richard Carrier and Josephus
 
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The globe Jesus holds in His hand in this picture is also called globus cruciger (Latin for "cross-bearing orb"). This Christian tradition of the globus cruciger first began in the 5th century A.D. Flat earthers claim Christians taught globe earth during this time which is not true.
This is interesting, in light of the fact that I've said here more than once that God created the earth in the hollow of His hand, and all it was was a mass of seawater I call Terra Aqua.

I've posted this picture more than once:

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... and labeled it: Terra Aqua.
 
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This is interesting, in light of the fact that I've said here more than once that God created the earth in the hollow of His hand, and all it was was a mass of seawater I call Terra Aqua.

I've posted this picture more than once:

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... and labeled it: Terra Aqua.
Water world :thumbsup:
 
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How the Bible influenced maps
*snip nice maps*
Absolutely.
It cannot be that mapmakers tried to find mathematical solutions to project a spherical object onto a planar piece of paper. It cannot be that they tried out different methods of projections, analyzed and constructed them for several attributes. They didn't rely on observations and collections of data, painstakenly collected by measurements, ranging from stellar observations to maritime travel logs.

No. They made their maps because of the Bible.

Just let's add cartography and it's historical developement to the list of topics you have no clue about.
 
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No. They made their maps because of the Bible.
He said the Bible "influenced" them, not "drew" them.

God had a plan for Christopher Columbus, before he was ever born.

Isaiah 49:1 Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name.
 
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Richard Carrier failed in his pursuit of an academic career due to his dubious approach to history. The article below is from a well known atheist site that exposes Carrier as a fraud.
Richard Carrier and Josephus
lol

posting blogs of non-scholars critiquing scholars... funny
 
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Absolutely.
It cannot be that mapmakers tried to find mathematical solutions to project a spherical object onto a planar piece of paper. It cannot be that they tried out different methods of projections, analyzed and constructed them for several attributes. They didn't rely on observations and collections of data, painstakenly collected by measurements, ranging from stellar observations to maritime travel logs.

No. They made their maps because of the Bible.

Just let's add cartography and it's historical developement to the list of topics you have no clue about.
The maps are from the 16th and 17th centuries and they were done in Latin. History Lesson: In Britain, the language of Universities was French. The language of the church was Latin. The map is in Latin. In Germany the language of Universities was German and the language of the church was Latin. Case and point: the Gutenberg Bible was in Latin. The church at this time in history had profound influence on education. Seeing how these maps and many others like it are in Latin gives you a strong indication that they were influenced by Christian thought just as our calendars are.
 
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He said the Bible "influenced" them, not "drew" them.

God had a plan for Christopher Columbus, before he was ever born.

Isaiah 49:1 Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name.
The Gentiles shall come to your light,
And kings to the brightness of your rising.
~ Isaiah 60:3
 
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lol

posting blogs of non-scholars critiquing scholars... funny
I had to check out his source a bit. It claimed:

" Apart from some detailed debunking of his dubious use of Bayes’ Theorem"

So I followed the link and found this at the bottom of the page:

"Tim Hendrix is not my real name. For family reasons I prefer not to have my nameassociated with my religious views online. "

So the "serious debunker" is afraid to even give out his name. Not the most reliable source. This might fail on a fractcal level.
 
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What has not been established is that the use of the word "chwug" (whatever you might think it means)in Isaiah 40:22 is a biblical "teaching."
Its in the Bible so its definitely a Biblical teaching.
 
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I had to check out his source a bit. It claimed:

" Apart from some detailed debunking of his dubious use of Bayes’ Theorem"

So I followed the link and found this at the bottom of the page:

"Tim Hendrix is not my real name. For family reasons I prefer not to have my nameassociated with my religious views online. "

So the "serious debunker" is afraid to even give out his name. Not the most reliable source. This might fail on a fractcal level.
Right!

And, he also states he's doesn't have a Ph.D. in history or any relevant field.
 
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The maps are from the 16th and 17th centuries and they were done in Latin. History Lesson: In Britain, the language of Universities was French. The language of the church was Latin. The map is in Latin. In Germany the language of Universities was German and the language of the church was Latin. Case and point: the Gutenberg Bible was in Latin. The church at this time in history had profound influence on education. Seeing how these maps and many others like it are in Latin gives you a strong indication that they were influenced by Christian thought just as our calendars are.

I should think that Latin would have been understood by the educated elite across medieval Europe and beyond... the people who would want those maps. I supposed you can thank the church for that.

It’s a huge stretch to say anything written in the bible about the Earth influenced the making of the maps technically.
 
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Its in the Bible so its definitely a Biblical teaching.
I would say it was a belief of the writers. Assuming that everything in the Bible is a "teaching" will cause you to misunderstand the message it tries to get across. That leads to the false view of treating Genesis literally.
 
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The maps are from the 16th and 17th centuries and they were done in Latin. History Lesson: In Britain, the language of Universities was French. The language of the church was Latin. The map is in Latin. In Germany the language of Universities was German and the language of the church was Latin. Case and point: the Gutenberg Bible was in Latin. The church at this time in history had profound influence on education. Seeing how these maps and many others like it are in Latin gives you a strong indication that they were influenced by Christian thought just as our calendars are.
And we can add history to the list of topics that you have no clue about.
Latin was the language of scholars and universities in all of Europe, until far into the 18th century.
Yes, the usage of Latin by the Church influenced this academic establishment, just as the very existence of universities was based on the organization of the Catholic Church.
And certainly the universities and scholars were "influenced by Christian thought".

But that doesn't mean that all of what they taught, all of what they discovered and all of what they produced was "influenced by Christian thought". A lot of it was definitly against the teachings of the Church. Dogmatic disputes between the Church hierachy and universities strive for freedom of research was a major topic since the very establishment of universities.

And "Latin" alone does not indicate "Christian thought". Latin was, in the case you have missed it, the language of the main political body in the whole mediterranian world for centuries... a lot of it rather non-christian.

Our calenders, again if you have missed it, are pagan in origin. The origin of the current solar calendar was an egyptian model, introduced into the roman world by a very pagan C. Julius Caesar. The names and structures of the months are roman in origin... pagan Rome that is. The 7-day week does indeed come from middle-eastern origins... but you might have noticed that all of the germanic and anglo-saxon speaking world still uses the old germanic deities as the names of the days.

So instead of "our calenders" being influenced by the Bible, which used the Hebrew moon calender, it is rather the other way round: the Christian calender was heavily influenced by the pagan calender.
 
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I would say it was a belief of the writers. Assuming that everything in the Bible is a "teaching" will cause you to misunderstand the message it tries to get across. That leads to the false view of treating Genesis literally.
You will find no basis in ancient Christianity or Judaism to support your view of "literal." We have 2000 years of priests that disagree with how modern atheists forcefully interpret the Bible. The atheist view is easy to destroy because its not based on true scholarship, but rather its based solely on hate and bigotry of Christianity and hate is blinding.
 
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