the 7 denominations of the book of Revelation

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So, Did He?

Does your church have the menorah as its symbol?


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The Menorah is like the image of the Christian cross, but with 7 candle sticks sprouting out from it...like a once dormant tree, revivified...

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I would agree speculation is pretty standard by eschatology teachers. That doesn't make it right.

It fits the Bible and history. 5 major empires had fallen since John’s time. One empire (the 6th) existed during John’s time. The other 2 were yet future from John’s perspective. We see the falls of Egypt, Assyria, Babylon in the Bible. It’s not a mystery.
 
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You are looking at things from a purely physical perspective on this. The church is more than their existence in the past alone, but their beliefs would continue on to the next generation, and the next until today. The beliefs that existed during John's time, still exist today. The 7 churches are primarily describing distinctive belief systems amongst Christians through out time or history since the time of John. The church exists through out time as a collective whole (because the beliefs are carried on from one generation to the next) and these churches (beliefs) did not end in the past. So when Jesus was talking to these churches in the past, He was talking to them as a collective body that would continue on into the future.


John 17:15-17

"I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth."
 
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You bring up an interesting point. I believe that all 7 of these churches started off correctly to begin with during the time they received the gospel in the early church age, but then by the time John received his Revelation from GOD, this is when we recognize that 5 of the candle lights had went out. They were no longer shining the light of Jesus and His good ways to the world. They idea here (as a whole) is that they are told to repent, otherwise their lamb stand will be removed. Only 2 out of the 7 were getting things right.

This makes sense because Jesus said "narrow is the way" and Jesus says, "FEW be there that find it."

Whoa...7 - 5 = 2...The two witnesses are called lamp stands as well...(chills)!
 
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the 7 denominations of the book of Revelation:

I feel people parse words when they say its wrong to belong to a particular denomination. I feel the way the book of Revelation describes the 7 churches is really describing denominations and not separate churches (in philosophical sense). Some major churches in existence now actually have different sects with in these churches that radically are different from other sects. One might be very Augustinian or Calvinist in their beliefs and another might be Arminian (*spelling). Is it really practical to get upset when some one says they are of a certain denomination as though there is not a biblical concept of denominations?

questions and comments?

One thing to note is how each congregation was labelled by Jesus Christ in Revelation. He says to "THE CHURCH in Ephesus" and "THE CHURCH in Philadelphia".... etc. In each case, they were THE CHURCH. It was not 7 different denominations, each with separate labels and differing doctrines. It was ONE Church with members in 7 separated cities. Sort of like Sheep in 7 different sheepfolds. Christ Jesus spoke the same Truth of God to each one, but admonished, rebuked and corrected each uniquely and individually. I would say that most Christian denominations share in same Spirit, but now many American Christian churches are allowing in false teaching, especially on sexual practices. People void of the Holy Spirit are beginning to misinterpret the Plain, Clear, Truth of God's Word, arguing about the meaning of words and not taking God's Word LITERALLY where it should be (Which is almost everywhere). I've heard so many people saying "That's not what God literally meant" and then violating the plain Truth as if God does not make His Word clear enough. This is exactly what Satan did to Eve in the Garden. She did not have the Word of God right, like Adam did and Satan got her. Then Adam yielded to her corruption and disobedience to God's Command and he sinned to. I fear how many so-called Christians are just like Adam and Eve.... letting Satan twist the simple,plain, clear Word of God. This has led to various denominations. But Jesus is the Vine and we are the Branches. Just because there is a group with a different label and different perspective on the Word, does not necessarily mean they are still not a Branch of the same Vine. That's why everywhere I go, I test so-called Christians on what they believe about the Doctrine of the Faith. Things such as "Who was inside Jesus?" And did Jesus Christ physically and literally die and was His body raised from the Dead?" "What must I do to be saved?" and "Will Jesus return across the plain of the earth or from the sky?" These types of questions help me find who is in the ONE Faith, who has the One Spirit, and who has the One Baptism from the One Lord. (Ephesians 4:5)
 
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The story of Noah would be more loosely applied in a prophetic sense and it would not be directly applied like with the 7 churches that we can clearly see today. For the churches still exist today. Noah, and his family do not exist today. See the difference?

Noah and His family were the Elect of their time.
The Elect most definitely exist today as well.

No difference.
 
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You are looking at things from a purely physical perspective on this.

Im looking at it from the shoes of the original receivers of the letters. ONLY when we understand what the letters mean TO THEM can we then ascertain any meaning for us.

You have removed the Original receivers from ANY application, apart from any scriptural instruction to do so.

The church is more than their existence in the past alone, but their beliefs would continue on to the next generation, and the next until today. The beliefs that existed during John's time, still exist today.

An excellent example of PASTORAL APPLICATION... Just as the Beliefs of Noah's time Exist today.

The 7 churches are primarily describing distinctive belief systems amongst Christians through out time or history since the time of John.

Incorrect. They are PRIMARILY describing THEN PRESENT, LITERAL situations in THEN PRESENT, LITERAL congregations.
They only tertiarily apply to successive generations.

Again, Pastoral vs. Prophetic.

Philippians 2:19
But I trust in the Lord Jesus to send Timothy to you shortly, that I also may be encouraged when I know your state.

Are you waiting for Timothy's SOON arrival?
After all, The Church Paul was addressing still exists today, right?
Shouldn't we all, then, be watching for Timothy to Arrive shortly?

The church exists through out time as a collective whole (because the beliefs are carried on from one generation to the next) and these churches (beliefs) did not end in the past. So when Jesus was talking to these churches in the past, He was talking to them as a collective body that would continue on into the future.

So you are Saying the "coming of Christ as a thief to reward or punish" happens over and over and over to every successive generation of Christians everywhere?
 
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People void of the Holy Spirit are beginning to misinterpret the Plain, Clear, Truth of God's Word, arguing about the meaning of words and not taking God's Word LITERALLY where it should be (Which is almost everywhere).

How should the First-century peoples at Sardis have interpreted Christ's letter to them?

Literally?

So, when he said to them:
Revelation 3:3
Remember therefore how you have received and heard; hold fast and repent. Therefore if you will not watch, I will come upon you as a thief, and you will not know what hour I will come upon you.

Should they have interpreted His promise to Come as a thief unto them LITERALLY, or should they have interpreted it figuratively?

Were those at Sardis in the 1st century NOT the LITERAL "YOU" Jesus is Directly addressing in the letter?
 
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the 7 denominations of the book of Revelation:

I feel people parse words when they say its wrong to belong to a particular denomination. I feel the way the book of Revelation describes the 7 churches is really describing denominations and not separate churches (in philosophical sense). Some major churches in existence now actually have different sects with in these churches that radically are different from other sects. One might be very Augustinian or Calvinist in their beliefs and another might be Arminian (*spelling). Is it really practical to get upset when some one says they are of a certain denomination as though there is not a biblical concept of denominations?

questions and comments?
I find the 2nd Assembly of Smyrna interesting [tho I have a comprensive study on all 7 of them].

It is said to come from the root word "myrrh"

Revelation 2:8
"And to The Messenger of the assembly in Smyrna, write!.................

4667. Smurna smoor'-nah the same as 4666; Smyrna, a place in Asia Minor:--Smyrna.

4666. smurna smoor'-nah apparently strengthened for 3464; myrrh:--myrrh.

Matthew 2:11
and having come to the house, they found the Child with Mary His mother, and having fallen down they bowed to Him,
and having opened their treasures, they presented to Him gifts, gold, and frankincense, and myrrh,

Mark 15:23 And they offered him wine mingled with myrrh: but he received it not.

John 19:39

and Nicodemus also came -- who came unto Jesus by night at the first --
bearing a mixture of myrrh and aloes, as it were, a hundred pounds.


Smyrna - Wikipedia

Several explanations have been offered for its name. A Greek myth derived the name from an eponymous Amazon named "Σμύρνα" (Smyrna), which was also the name of a quarter of Ephesus. This is the basis of Myrina, a city of Aeolis.

In inscriptions and coins, the name often was written as "Ζμύρνα" (Zmyrna), "Ζμυρναῖος" (Zmyrneos), "of Smyrna".[2]

The name Smyrna may also have been taken from the ancient Greek word for myrrh, "smyrna",[3][4][5] which was the chief export of the city in ancient times.[6]

In the late 2nd century, Irenaeus also noted:

Polycarp also was not only instructed by apostles, and conversed with many who had seen Christ, but was also, by apostles in Asia, appointed bishop of the Church in Smyrna…always taught the things which he had learned from the apostles, and which the Church has handed down, and which alone are true. To these things all the Asiatic Churches testify, as do also those men who have succeeded Polycarp.[13]

Myrrh - Wikipedia

The word myrrh corresponds with a common Semitic root m-r-r meaning "bitter", as in Aramaic ܡܪܝܪܐ murr and Arabic مُرّ murr. Its name entered the English language from the Hebrew Bible, where it is called מור mor, and later as a Semitic loanword[6] was used in the Greek myth of Myrrha, and later in the Septuagint; in the Ancient Greek language, the related word μῠ́ρον (múron) became a general term for perfume.

Smyrna means “sweet smelling” and comes from the root word for myrrh.

The myrrh plant is found throughout the Middle East and was used in the manufacture of an aromatic ointment. When bruised and crushed, the myrrh gives forth a lovely fragrance.
Myrrh was used to embalm the bodies of the dead. Carefully the linens were prepared, and wound around the bodies of the loved ones, while myrrh was packed between the folds of the cloth. Thus was the body of our Lord embalmed!

After the death of Jesus, the women, who had loved and followed Him on earth, brought one hundred pounds of myrrh and aloes to the tomb. With what grief did they take that precious body and wind about it the linen cloths! With what untold tenderness did they lay it away in the bed of fragrant spices!
Thus myrrh is a type of suffering and death, and some in the church at Smyrna were to pass through bitter persecution, severe trials, and intense testings, as a picture of that which all of God’s called and chosen elect must also pass through. Their sufferings, however, instead of destroying them, would give forth the rich perfume of heaven, the life of the spirit!

In the Hebrew Bible

Myrrh is mentioned as a rare perfume in several places in the Hebrew Bible. In Genesis 37:25, the Ishmaelite traders to whom Jacob's sons sold their brother Joseph had "camels ... loaded with spices, balm, and myrrh," and Exodus 30:23-25 specifies that Moses was to use 500 shekels of liquid myrrh as a core ingredient of the sacred anointing oil.

Myrrh was an ingredient of Ketoret: the consecrated incense used in the First and Second Temples at Jerusalem, as described in the Hebrew Bible and Talmud. An offering was made of the Ketoret on a special incense altar and was an important component of the temple service. Myrrh is also listed as an ingredient in the holy anointing oil used to anoint the tabernacle, high priests and kings.

Oil of myrrh is used in Esther 2:12 in a purification ritual for the new queen to King Ahasuerus:

In the New Testament
Myrrh is mentioned in the New Testament as one of the three gifts (with gold and frankincense) that the magi "from the East" presented to the Christ Child (Matthew 2:11). Myrrh was also present at Jesus' death and burial. Jesus was offered wine and myrrh before the crucifixion (Mark 15:23). According to John's Gospel, Nicodemus and Joseph of Arimathea brought a 100-pound mixture of myrrh and aloes to wrap Jesus' body (John 19:39). The Gospel of Matthew relates that as Jesus went to the cross, he was given vinegar to drink mingled with gall: and when he had tasted thereof, he would not drink (Matthew 27:34); the Gospel of Mark describes the drink as wine mingled with myrrh (Mark 15:23).

In contemporary Christianity
Because of its mention in the New Testament, myrrh is an incense offered during some Christian liturgical celebrations (see Thurible). Liquid myrrh is sometimes added to egg tempera in the making of icons. Myrrh is mixed with frankincense and sometimes more scents and is used in almost every service of the Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, traditional Roman Catholic, and Anglican/Episcopal churches.

Myrrh is also used to prepare the sacramental chrism used by many churches of both Eastern and Western rites. In the Middle East, the Eastern Orthodox Church traditionally uses oil scented with myrrh (and other fragrances) to perform the sacrament of chrismation, which is commonly referred to as "receiving the Chrism".
 
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How would knowing that information help you answer my question?

"Israel is referred to by God as a “Green Olive Tree, Lovely and of Good Fruit” (Jer. Jer. 11:16a). The psalm writer referred to himself, one who trusted in God’s mercy, as “a green olive tree in the house of God” (Ps. Ps. 52:8). The definite article (the) is intended to denote a specific pair of olive trees (see below).

and the two lamp stands
Lamp stands is λυχνίαι [lychniai] , the same word which described the seven lampstands which were the Seven Churches of Asia (Rev. Rev. 1:12+, Rev. 1:20+; Rev. 2:1+, Rev. 2:5+). Evidently, these two lamp stands will serve a similar purpose to the seven lampstands (the churches). As in the previous phrase, the definite article (the ) points to a pair of olive trees and lamp stands which would be known to John. The allusion is to Zechariah’s fifth vision (Zec. Zec. 4:1-14) wherein Zechariah is shown a lampstand of solid gold with seven pipes feeding seven lamps. The lamps are fed by a shared bowl of oil which stands between two olive trees into which the oil from the trees drips (Zec. Zec. 4:3, Zec. 4:12). When Zechariah asks an angel concerning the identity of the two olive trees and the fruitful oil-dripping branches which extend from them, the angel responds: “These are the two anointed ones [lit. “sons of oil”] who stand beside the Lord of the whole earth” (Zec. Zec. 4:14). They are two who are anointed by oil (a common figure for the Holy Spirit).

The candlestick itself—the central object of this vision—is doubtless a figurative representation of the seven-branched candlestick in the Temple. There it stood in the Holy Place . . . not only as the emblem and representation of what the whole redeemed family shall finally be “when in union with their risen, glorified Lord they shall for ever shine in the sanctuary of God,” but also as typifying Israel’s high calling in relation to the other nations. In his midst a great light had shone—the light of the self-revelation of the glory of Jehovah—not only for his own illumination, but that he might be the candlestick, the light-bearer, and light-diffuser all around. . ."
Revelation 11:4 Commentary - A Testimony of Jesus Christ

As @Jason0047 pointed out:

...I believe that all 7 of these churches started off correctly to begin with during the time they received the gospel in the early church age, but then by the time John received his Revelation from GOD, this is when we recognize that 5 of the candle lights had went out. They were no longer shining the light of Jesus and His good ways to the world. They idea here (as a whole) is that they are told to repent, otherwise their lamb stand will be removed. Only 2 out of the 7 were getting things right...

So, what two assemblies were left...perhaps they are the two witnesses...

*Smyrna or Philadelphia--these two assemblies have their lamp stands and they are ever radiant!
 
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The seven churches describe the state (condition) of the early churches of the time and is also applicable to the state (condition) of modern day christian churches/congregations and to the state (condition) of christian individuals as well.
That bring to mind this passage:

1 Corinthians 5:
12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are outside? do not you judge them that are within?
13 God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked man from among you.”…

Deuteronomy 17:
7 The hands of the witnesses shall be the first in putting him to death, and after that, the hands of all the people. You must purge the evil from among you.
12 But the man who acts presumptuously, refusing to listen either to the priest who stands there to serve the LORD your God, or to the judge, must be put to death. You must purge the evil from Israel.

Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges

12, 13. For what have I to do to judge them also that are without?] The connection of thought in this and the next verse is as follows: “You have supposed me to have been urging you to abstain altogether from any kind of intercourse with sinners. You misunderstood my meaning. I only meant to refer to the members of your own community. As you might have gathered from your own practice, which is confined to the Christian body, I have no authority to deal with those without. They are in the hands of God.” And then he abruptly adds, ‘Cast out the wicked man,’ or ‘the evil thing.’ The word therefore (literally ‘and’) is absent from many MSS., and has been supposed to have been introduced from the Septuagint version of Deuteronomy 13:5; Deuteronomy 17:7; Deuteronomy 21:21, &c. In the Greek the word ye in 1 Corinthians 5:12 is emphatic, and the words those that are within scarcely less so—‘it is those that are within that ye judge.’ Some editors would read the following words as a question, ‘Doth not God judge those that are without?’

Bengel's Gnomen
1 Corinthians 5:12. Τί γάρ μοι καὶ τοὺς ἔξω κρίνειν; οὐχὶ τοὺς ἔσω ὑμεῖς κρίνετε;) Artemonius, p. 212, refers to the conjecture of Le Clerc, and after changing a few words presents it in this form: τί γάρ μοι καὶ τοῖς ἔξω; καὶ νῦν οὖν τοὺς ἔσω ὑμεῖς κρίνετε. There are here various changes of letters, by which the word κρίνειν, the most necessary of them all, is cancelled. If the meaning of Paul had been, what have I to do with those that are without? the Greek idiom would have required ἐμοί, not μοι. Τί γάρ μοι καὶ τοὺς ἔξω κρίνειν, viz. ἐστί; for what have I to do to judge those that are without? (Verbals [such as Bengel’s “externos judicatio”] govern the case of the verb, ex. gr.: Curatio hanc rem, taking charge of this matter.) Expressions very similar occur, ἱνατί μοι ζῇν, Genesis 27:46 : οὐ σοὶ, Ὀζία, θυμιᾶσαι, 2 Chronicles 26:18 : οὐκ ἔστι γὰρ χαίρειν, λέγει Κύριος, τοῖς ἀσεβέσιν, Isaiah 48:22 : ὄπως μὴ γένηται αὐτῷ χρονοτριβῆσαι, Acts 20:16 : πόθεν σοι ταῦτα ἐιδέναι, Hippolytus de antichristo, chap. 32. These remarks apply to the whole sentence; we shall now consider the words one by one.—καὶ) also, which intimates, that those, who are within, give me enough to do.[44]—ΚΡΊΝΕΙΝ, to judge) He judges, who is not mixed up with them, does not keep company with them.—οὐχὶ, do not ye?) From what is wont to occur in the Church, you ought to have interpreted my admonition, alluded to in 1 Corinthians 5:9, You judge your fellow-citizens, not strangers; how much more should I? You judge, will thus signify righteous judgment. But this may also be a previous [anticipatory], and, that too, a seasonable sting to the Corinthians, who were judging [bringing before heathen courts of justice] them that were within, while [though] they considered the saints removed [exempt] from judgments concerning things pertaining to this life, 1 Corinthians 6:1-3.

[44] This very particle καὶ, also, however, is considered of less importance in the 2d, than in the 1st Ed., and it is entirely omitted in the Germ. Vers.—E. B. ABCG Vulg. Memph. fg (ante-Hieron. Lat.) Versions omit καὶ. D and later Syr. retain καὶ.—ED.
 
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"Israel is referred to by God as a “Green Olive Tree, Lovely and of Good Fruit” (Jer. Jer. 11:16a). The psalm writer referred to himself, one who trusted in God’s mercy, as “a green olive tree in the house of God” (Ps. Ps. 52:8). The definite article (the) is intended to denote a specific pair of olive trees (see below).

and the two lamp stands
Lamp stands is λυχνίαι [lychniai] , the same word which described the seven lampstands which were the Seven Churches of Asia (Rev. Rev. 1:12+, Rev. 1:20+; Rev. 2:1+, Rev. 2:5+). Evidently, these two lamp stands will serve a similar purpose to the seven lampstands (the churches). As in the previous phrase, the definite article (the ) points to a pair of olive trees and lamp stands which would be known to John. The allusion is to Zechariah’s fifth vision (Zec. Zec. 4:1-14) wherein Zechariah is shown a lampstand of solid gold with seven pipes feeding seven lamps. The lamps are fed by a shared bowl of oil which stands between two olive trees into which the oil from the trees drips (Zec. Zec. 4:3, Zec. 4:12). When Zechariah asks an angel concerning the identity of the two olive trees and the fruitful oil-dripping branches which extend from them, the angel responds: “These are the two anointed ones [lit. “sons of oil”] who stand beside the Lord of the whole earth” (Zec. Zec. 4:14). They are two who are anointed by oil (a common figure for the Holy Spirit).

The candlestick itself—the central object of this vision—is doubtless a figurative representation of the seven-branched candlestick in the Temple. There it stood in the Holy Place . . . not only as the emblem and representation of what the whole redeemed family shall finally be “when in union with their risen, glorified Lord they shall for ever shine in the sanctuary of God,” but also as typifying Israel’s high calling in relation to the other nations. In his midst a great light had shone—the light of the self-revelation of the glory of Jehovah—not only for his own illumination, but that he might be the candlestick, the light-bearer, and light-diffuser all around. . ."
Revelation 11:4 Commentary - A Testimony of Jesus Christ

As @Jason0047 pointed out:



So, what two assemblies were left...perhaps they are the two witnesses...

*Smyrna or Philadelphia--these two assemblies have their lamp stands and they are ever radiant!

None of that answers, or even remotely addresses my original question you quoted.

Would you care to offer up an answer to that question now?
 
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None of that answers, or even remotely addresses my original question you quoted.

Would you care to offer up an answer to that question now?

:234:repeat the question.
 
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That bring to mind this passage:

1 Corinthians 5:
12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are outside? do not you judge them that are within?
13 God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked man from among you.”…

Deuteronomy 17:
7 The hands of the witnesses shall be the first in putting him to death, and after that, the hands of all the people. You must purge the evil from among you.
12 But the man who acts presumptuously, refusing to listen either to the priest who stands there to serve the LORD your God, or to the judge, must be put to death. You must purge the evil from Israel.

Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges

12, 13. For what have I to do to judge them also that are without?] The connection of thought in this and the next verse is as follows: “You have supposed me to have been urging you to abstain altogether from any kind of intercourse with sinners. You misunderstood my meaning. I only meant to refer to the members of your own community. As you might have gathered from your own practice, which is confined to the Christian body, I have no authority to deal with those without. They are in the hands of God.” And then he abruptly adds, ‘Cast out the wicked man,’ or ‘the evil thing.’ The word therefore (literally ‘and’) is absent from many MSS., and has been supposed to have been introduced from the Septuagint version of Deuteronomy 13:5; Deuteronomy 17:7; Deuteronomy 21:21, &c. In the Greek the word ye in 1 Corinthians 5:12 is emphatic, and the words those that are within scarcely less so—‘it is those that are within that ye judge.’ Some editors would read the following words as a question, ‘Doth not God judge those that are without?’

Bengel's Gnomen
1 Corinthians 5:12. Τί γάρ μοι καὶ τοὺς ἔξω κρίνειν; οὐχὶ τοὺς ἔσω ὑμεῖς κρίνετε;) Artemonius, p. 212, refers to the conjecture of Le Clerc, and after changing a few words presents it in this form: τί γάρ μοι καὶ τοῖς ἔξω; καὶ νῦν οὖν τοὺς ἔσω ὑμεῖς κρίνετε. There are here various changes of letters, by which the word κρίνειν, the most necessary of them all, is cancelled. If the meaning of Paul had been, what have I to do with those that are without? the Greek idiom would have required ἐμοί, not μοι. Τί γάρ μοι καὶ τοὺς ἔξω κρίνειν, viz. ἐστί; for what have I to do to judge those that are without? (Verbals [such as Bengel’s “externos judicatio”] govern the case of the verb, ex. gr.: Curatio hanc rem, taking charge of this matter.) Expressions very similar occur, ἱνατί μοι ζῇν, Genesis 27:46 : οὐ σοὶ, Ὀζία, θυμιᾶσαι, 2 Chronicles 26:18 : οὐκ ἔστι γὰρ χαίρειν, λέγει Κύριος, τοῖς ἀσεβέσιν, Isaiah 48:22 : ὄπως μὴ γένηται αὐτῷ χρονοτριβῆσαι, Acts 20:16 : πόθεν σοι ταῦτα ἐιδέναι, Hippolytus de antichristo, chap. 32. These remarks apply to the whole sentence; we shall now consider the words one by one.—καὶ) also, which intimates, that those, who are within, give me enough to do.[44]—ΚΡΊΝΕΙΝ, to judge) He judges, who is not mixed up with them, does not keep company with them.—οὐχὶ, do not ye?) From what is wont to occur in the Church, you ought to have interpreted my admonition, alluded to in 1 Corinthians 5:9, You judge your fellow-citizens, not strangers; how much more should I? You judge, will thus signify righteous judgment. But this may also be a previous [anticipatory], and, that too, a seasonable sting to the Corinthians, who were judging [bringing before heathen courts of justice] them that were within, while [though] they considered the saints removed [exempt] from judgments concerning things pertaining to this life, 1 Corinthians 6:1-3.

[44] This very particle καὶ, also, however, is considered of less importance in the 2d, than in the 1st Ed., and it is entirely omitted in the Germ. Vers.—E. B. ABCG Vulg. Memph. fg (ante-Hieron. Lat.) Versions omit καὶ. D and later Syr. retain καὶ.—ED.

The state (condition) of christianity hasn't really changed much ... because mankind doesn't change much. This verse is what came to my mind.

Ecclesiastes 1

8All things are wearisome,
more than one can describe;
the eye is not satisfied with seeing,
nor the ear content with hearing.

9What has been will be again,
and what has been done will be done again;
there is nothing new under the sun.

10Is there a case where one can say,
“Look, this is new”?
It has already existed
in the ages before us.

And so it is ... until the Lord returns
 
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The state (condition) of christianity hasn't really changed much ... because mankind doesn't change much. This verse is what came to my mind.

Ecclesiastes 1
9What has been will be again, and what has been done will be done again;
there is nothing new under the sun.
10Is there a case where one can say,
“Look, this is new”?
It has already existed
in the ages before us.

And so it is ... until the Lord returns
So Jesus didn't bring anything new to the Jews?
[remember, they do not believe in Jesus or our NT book of Revelation]

Isa 43:19
Behold, I will do a new thing
,
Now it shall spring forth; Shall you not know it?
I will even make a road in the wilderness And rivers in the desert.
Jer 31:22
How long will you gad about,
O you backsliding daughter?
For the LORD has created a new thing in the earth—
A woman shall encompass a man.”
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1Co 15:22
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive.

Genesis 3:24
So He drove out the adam; and He placed cherubim at the east of the garden of Eden, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to guard the way to the tree of life.
Gen 5:5
So all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years; and he died.

1Co 15:22

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive.
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The tree of life is mentioned in the 1st assembly:

Revelation chapter 2 - 1st four Churches
The Assembly in Ephesus


Revelation 2:7
He who is having ear, let him hear! what the Spirit is saying to the Assemblies.
To the one conquering/overcoming, I shall be giving to him to be eating from out of the tree of life
which is being in [midst] of the paradise of the God [of Me]

And in the spiritual N J

Revelation 22:
2 In the middle of its street, and on either side of the river, was the tree of life, which bore twelve fruits, each tree yielding its fruit every month.
The leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
 
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"In their respective offices the two witnesses are also "the two lampstands that stand before the Lord of the earth." Lampstands are a familiar symbol from the context of Revelation chapters one through three. In chapter one, the seven churches are identified as seven lampstands (1:20). In chapters two and three, the two lampstands, the churches of Smyrna and Philadelphia, are distinguished by the fact that they stand without criticism, while the five others are warned by the Lord to repent.

But for Philadelphia and Smyrna to be "the two lampstands that stand," we would expect them also to be composed of Jews, with one church demonstrating the priestly office, and the other church the kingly. Such appears to be the case.

Of all the remarks made to the seven churches, only Smyrna and Philadelphia are addressed as Jews who had become followers of Christ. In both cases the Lord speaks to the concern of believing Jews who had been put out of synagogues by unbelieving Jews, "those who say they are Jews" (2:9, 3:9). The fact that the Lord addresses only these two churches regarding their experience with the "synagogue of Satan", ethnic Jewish non-believers who falsely claimed to be God's true synagogue, argues favorably that the Lord regarded Philadelphia and Smyrna as the rightful claimants to the title "Jew," and saw their assemblies as the true synagogues. Gentile churches would not be inclined to a negative reaction toward ethnic, non-believing Jews calling themselves Jews, or consequently in need of the Lord's assurance that He regarded such false claimants as a synagogue of Satan. Converted gentiles were called Christians, not Jews, and they gathered together as churches, not synagogues.

Likewise, of all the seven churches, Smyrna and Philadelphia are addressed as those destined to demonstrate the offices of priest and king. Whereas Smyrna (2:8) is presented with a picture of Jesus "who was dead and has come to life" (first advent, the great High Priest who gave His own life), Philadelphia (3:7) is presented with a picture of Jesus "who has the key of David" (second advent, the King of Kings). Whereas Smyrna will suffer tribulation and death just as her High Priest Jesus, Philadelphia will be treated as a king by her enemies who "will come and bow down" at their feet.

Philadelphia and Smyrna are therefore two lampstands, ethnic Jewish churches, that stand and exhibit characteristics of the priestly and kingly offices: the two olive trees."
The Two Witnesses

I don't necessarily agree that they are both "ethnic Jewish churches", but I can definitely see one being made up of Jewish believers. The other is indeed Israel, either way, since we who believe are grafted in.

So, to answer your question @parousia70, yes, those who do not repent from the assembly of Ephesus did and will have their lamp put out.

*Although, the two assembly witnesses may be Jewish believers, remember, it is a promise that all Israel will be saved after the gentiles come in...perhaps they are the 144,000...maybe 72,000 from each.
 
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