What is the obligation of the Christian?

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So could you say why God burdened Israel with this covenant and let the other nations go free?
If you're trying to say the law applied to other nations, I'd have to say no.
 
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If you're trying to say the law applied to other nations, I'd have to say no.

You have not answered the question.Let me repeat and expand on the same.

So could you say why God burdened Israel with this covenant and let the other nations go free?
Did the other nations have a free pass to salvation?Or is it that they were simply already condemned?
Did they have a different standard than Israel for the sins and abominations they were frequently accused of?Why were they judged for these sins and abominations and what defined their actions as such?
 
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If you're trying to say the law applied to other nations, I'd have to say no.
However, it did still stand as a witness against the nations. As an example of what will happen when the nations refuse the commands of God given through the Spirit under the new covenant. The law that applied to Israel was to cause they who it applied to, and the nations it did not, to realize the universal need for Jesus.

Romans 11
28 As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs,
29 for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable.

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Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience,
31 so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you.
32 For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.​

When the nations see Israel bound up and offered as a sacrifice for her disobedience they should be thinking about the mercy God had on them when they were in the same condition of disobedience. Even though never given the law it witnesses against all who are disobedient to God. God humbled Israel with a law he did not give the nations. So the nations would see the ramifications of disobedience. Then, when the law of the Spirit is applied to all the nations of the world (including Israel) as it is through Jesus today, you will have the example of what NOT to do, and what happens when you disobey. Jesus is Israel's example, and the worlds. And so Jesus redeems us both. He represented Israel being bound and sacrificed, and redeemed. If you are a child of Abraham you understand these things. Because the Spirit has taught and reminded you of them.
 
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You have not answered the question.Let me repeat and expand on the same.

So could you say why God burdened Israel with this covenant and let the other nations go free?
Did the other nations have a free pass to salvation?Or is it that they were simply already condemned?
Did they have a different standard than Israel for the sins and abominations they were frequently accused of?Why were they judged for these sins and abominations and what defined their actions as such?
I'm very sorry but I don't try to understand the rhyme or reason God does certain things.

Rom 11:33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
 
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However, it did still stand as a witness against the nations. As an example of what will happen when the nations refuse the commands of God given through the Spirit under the new covenant. The law that applied to Israel was to cause they who it applied to, and the nations it did not, to realize the universal need for Jesus.

Romans 11
28 As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs,
29 for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable.

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Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience,
31 so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you.
32 For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.​

When the nations see Israel bound up and offered as a sacrifice for her disobedience they should be thinking about the mercy God had on them when they were in the same condition of disobedience. Even though never given the law it witnesses against all who are disobedient to God. God humbled Israel with a law he did not give the nations. So the nations would see the ramifications of disobedience. Then, when the law of the Spirit is applied to all the nations of the world (including Israel) as it is through Jesus today, you will have the example of what NOT to do, and what happens when you disobey. Jesus is Israel's example, and the worlds. And so Jesus redeems us both. He represented Israel being bound and sacrificed, and redeemed. If you are a child of Abraham you understand these things. Because the Spirit has taught and reminded you of them.
I don't believe nations see things that way.
 
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So... I battled with this for quite a while. Reading Galatians helped me to calm down about this, and realize that obeying the New Testament is all that I was required to do.
So what were people doing for the hundreds of years before the New Testament was written?
 
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Our obligation after we get saved would be to Love God by keeping his commandments on how to Love Him and treating each other the way you would want to be treated, as that is how you would Love your neighbor as yourself. In regards to not keeping or keeping the Sabbath, Holy Days and Dietary Laws properly comes off as not Loving God, thats something one will find out on judgment day.

Matthew 7:12
The Golden Rule
12 “So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.

Matthew 22:36-40
36 “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?” 37 And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. 38 This is the great and first commandment. 39 And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. 40 On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.”

Gal 5
For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
 
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Well can we first determine what we mean by being born again? According to all the teachings of Christianity, being born again is a process of water baptism and chrismation. Afterwards one is expected to participate in the sacramental life of the Church.

Being born again or more correctly born from above is an act that only God can perform. We cannot, by works like eating a wafer, and drinking some wine or being water baptized and being Chrismated force God to choose us to be His children. John 6:63 “The Holy Spirit alone gives eternal life. Human effort accomplishes nothing.” John 6:44 “For no one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them to me, and at the last day I will raise them up.” John 15:16 “You didn’t choose me. I chose you. I appointed you to go and produce lasting fruit, so that the Father will give you whatever you ask for, using my name.” Eph 2:8 “God saved you by his grace when you believed. And you cannot take credit for this; it is a gift from God. Salvation is not a reward for the good things we have done so none of us can boast about it."
 
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Being born again or more correctly born from above is an act that only God can perform. We cannot, by works like eating a wafer, and drinking some wine or being water baptized and being Chrismated force God to choose us to be His children. John 6:63 “The Holy Spirit alone gives eternal life. Human effort accomplishes nothing.” John 6:44 “For no one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them to me, and at the last day I will raise them up.” John 15:16 “You didn’t choose me. I chose you. I appointed you to go and produce lasting fruit, so that the Father will give you whatever you ask for, using my name.” Eph 2:8 “God saved you by his grace when you believed. And you cannot take credit for this; it is a gift from God. Salvation is not a reward for the good things we have done so none of us can boast about it."

I'm really not sure what you're saying here. Do you consider believing, being baptized, and being chrismated as somehow forcing God to do something?
 
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I'm really not sure what you're saying here. Do you consider believing, being baptized, and being chrismated as somehow forcing God to do something?

Yes. God cannot be forced into adopting someone into His family just because they have performed some works like water baptism or partaking in a religious ceremony, that is unless God is drawing them into a relationship with Himself. So how can we know if it is God who is drawing us or if it us seeking for God? First of all no one is seeking for God. Romans 3:11 “No one is truly wise; no one is seeking God." Secondly his experience and his actions after being baptized and chrismated. If it was God that was the catalyst in his seeking God out the man will see some wonderful changes in his life. 2 Cor 5:17 "Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new." Once one experiences the new birth (born from above) life will never be the same. Old sinful habits will fall away, you will gain spiritual insight into the scriptures that will amaze you, prayers will be answered and love, joy and peace will fill your soul.

If the man who was baptized and chrismated did these things with the wrong motives or if God did not elect him to salvation, there will be little or no change in his life.
 
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Being born again or more correctly born from above is an act that only God can perform. We cannot, by works like eating a wafer, and drinking some wine or being water baptized and being Chrismated force God to choose us to be His children. John 6:63 “The Holy Spirit alone gives eternal life. Human effort accomplishes nothing.” John 6:44 “For no one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them to me, and at the last day I will raise them up.” John 15:16 “You didn’t choose me. I chose you. I appointed you to go and produce lasting fruit, so that the Father will give you whatever you ask for, using my name.” Eph 2:8 “God saved you by his grace when you believed. And you cannot take credit for this; it is a gift from God. Salvation is not a reward for the good things we have done so none of us can boast about it."
Amen! what is going on here at CF is some are demanding we leave Who has already chosen us and follow them.
 
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Amen! what is going on here at CF is some are demanding that we leave Him who has already chosen us and we are supposed follow them instead.

I've been absent from CF for about 6 years so I am out of the loop, but I can guess who is stirring the pot. I pray for them frequently, but I recognize that even though some people are earnestly searching for God's favor they will never find Him because God has blinded them. Only God's elect will find Him.
 
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There seems to be a holy war about what the Christian is obligated to preform after being born again. I'd like to see both sides of this war supported with Scripture.

Well you could sum up everything that is required in Jesus’ two commandments love God with all your heart soul and mind and love each other as He loves us. But that actually entails a lot. This means we must obey God’s commandments and bear fruit (do good works). These are just a few of many examples that obedience is required. Matthew 7:21-23, Ephesians 5:1-6, Galatians 5:19-21. These are a few examples that good works are required John 15:1-10, James 2:14-26, Matthew 25:31-46, Matthew 3:10.
 
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Well can we first determine what we mean by being born again? According to all the teachings of Christianity, being born again is a process of water baptism and chrismation. Afterwards one is expected to participate in the sacramental life of the Church.

What verse is that?
 
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Well the bible says "do not forsake the assembling of yourselves together", "if we confess our sins he is faithful and just to forgive", "Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day".

That describes the sacramental life of the Church more or less.

The assembly of yourselves together can mean any type of Christian fellowship. Confessions can be done directly to God. The bread of life discourse is a metaphor. No one received the Eucharist for the first 4000 years after creation and yet many are still saved.
 
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