Difference between Soul and Spirit

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Yet Lord Jesus warns that those days, when mankind's thoughts will stink to high heaven, will recur again in the last days as it was in the days of Noah. Mankind's thoughts reside in the soul, but the Word of God is able to cut the soul from the spirit.
Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

So we learn from this verse that soul and spirit are different from each other and they are not to be used interchangeably with each other. Now, I see the soul as the decider. It makes the decision as to what the whole man/woman will do. The mind, will and emotions dwell in the soul.The spirit of man is the part where the Holy Spirit dwells. He wakes up, or, regenerates man's spirit and helps man to control the carnal mind of the soul, which has been trained by the world, the flesh and the devil.

You do know that we have been in the “last days” for 2000 years? :idea:

Acts 2:16-18. But this is that which hath been spoken through the prophet Joel 17And it shall be, in the last days saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and, your young men, visions shall see and, your elders, in dreams shall dream,—

Heb 1:1-God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto e fathers by the prophets, 2Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
 
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You do know that we have been in the “last days” for 2000 years? :idea:

Acts 2:16-18. But this is that which hath been spoken through the prophet Joel
17And it shall be, in the last days saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and, your young men, visions shall see and, your elders, in dreams shall dream,—

Heb 1:1-God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto e fathers by the prophets,
2Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Yes and they are fewer now than there was 2000 years ago. But that is beside the point. The point being that spirit and soul are not the same and are not interchangeable with each other.
 
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Yes and they are fewer now than there was 2000 years ago. But that is beside the point. The point being that spirit and soul are not the same and are not interchangeable with each other.
We are in complete agreement. :amen::amen: And again I say:amen:
 
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To start off, I'm more inclined to think of the "Soul" being more interchangeable with the concepts of "Mind" and "Heart" than Spirit is. I will attempt to explain why using scripture below, but first I'd like to get a few premises up. I believe the Spirit aspect of our being is not entirely "Ours" but is agenic of either the Spirit of God, or the spirit of the evil unclean ones. When we are born again and the the spiritual seed of God is planted and grows in us, we begin to possess that which can be called our "Spirit." We become "born of God." We are given "new life" — "born imperishable" just as the Holy Spirit is imperishable. Saved Christians have Body, Soul and Spirit. Unregenerate men and woman only have Body and Soul, and an unformed spirit. Children of perdition, Anti-christs, have Body, Soul and are infested and controlled by unclean, evil spirits. That's why 1 John 4:3 talks about the "spirit of the antichrist."

John 3:5
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the SPIRIT, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

However, it is now my opinion that before coming to God, a man does not really have a true Spirit aspect to his being. He is influenced by both divine and profane spirits from beyond this realm, both sides vying for his attention and energy and the right to dwell within his Soul and influence the fruit he bears in life. Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is then when one's Soul becomes so polluted, so vile and reprehensible, so evil and worthless that the angels of God, by order of the Holy Spirit, can only abandon that soul to the evil ones who then claim it as theirs and drag it to Hell with them. That person is then a BEAST who's Soul no longer bares any resemblance to the image of God at all. He or she is 2/3 of what God intended us to be (aka, 0.666 ad infinitum) A body, a soul but no SPIRIT. The SPIRIT of God is what raised Christ from the dead (happy easter) and that same Spirit is what raises us to eternal life.

Romans 8:11
But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

PREMISES
1) We know God is the Holy Spirit (John 4:24)
2) We interact with a spiritual realm that we do not fully comprehend on this earth.
3) In this spiritual realm, angels are warring for our souls in ways we cannot comprehend. If we look at—

Mark 5:9
And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many.

Many unclean spirits (demons) were in the man (a living soul).

Genesis 2:7
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Luke 11:26
Then goeth he, and taketh to him seven other spirits more wicked than himself; and they enter in, and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first.

This is why I believe that no Christian who is born again indwelt with the Holy Spirit can be, at the same time, POSSESSED (indwelt) with unclean spirits simultaneously. They cannot stand in the presence of the Holy Spirit directly residing in our vessel (Soul). We can still be OPPRESSED by evil spirits (obviously). What this indicates is that we can be INFLUENCED by spirits in the spiritual realm. We are still tempted even though we are born again, after all.

Hard liquor is referred to as "spirits" because they leave your Soul susceptible to the spiritual realm in a special way. Why? Because the altering of his consciousness opens him/her up to the spirit realms influence. God wants us to be temperate and sober of mind and not drunk on wine, which is dissipation. Probably the main reason Drunkenness is so detestable to God that he says no drunkard will enter the Kingdom of heaven. An alcoholic is going to be more prone to emotion, anger, revelry, violence, folly, and fruit that is opposed to the fruit of the divine Spirit.

If an ungodly drunkard continues in his way, is it any wonder that he will wax worse and worse until he is totally under the control and authority of unclean spirits that abuse his body for sin and destroy his Soul (mind, heart) in the process, leaving no chance at authentic Spiritual life?

Romans 8:9
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

1 John 4:1-4
1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

I hope these verses are helpful for establishing what I wrote at the start of this thread. They speak about spirits interacting with us, "confessing" things to us, influencing our thoughts (mind/soul) and trying to move us to that final decision: Are we spiritually born children of God...? or are we of the devil?

If we die without the Spirit of God, then we perish eternally, for we do not possess an eternal Spirit of our own that would quicken us from the dead. Only the eternal Spirit of God can make Life from Death. Thus Jesus says "thou must be born again!"


I know I should be prepared for a backlash here, as there are many differing opinions on this rather intangible subject. But I think it could prove to be a worthwhile discussion to flesh out (no pun intended). If you think I'm dead wrong please don't be afraid to say it and correct me, but use scripture as I have (of course) otherwise I'll have to disregard with prejudice and not feel bad about doing it either :p


The Word of God divided my soul from my spirit and showed me both when my brother (full of the Spirit) spoke the Word saying "For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart" (Hebrews 4:12)

1) The body is like a lampshade
2) The soul is like the lightbulb underneath the lampshade
3) The spirit is like the light itself inside the bulb and the shade. it shines outside also.

Jesus says "Be careful that the "light" in you is not Darkness." (Luke 11:35)
 
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I do have trouble imagining that, I have to admit. With God being omniscient, that statement from Him just doesn't seem to make sense to me. :scratch:
Well, He virtually started over with just Noah and his family. I wonder what He thinks of the condition of the world today? :swoon:
 
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Well, He virtually started over with just Noah and his family. I wonder what He thinks of the condition of the world today? :swoon:
I guess I'll leave what He thinks of the world up to Him, and just try to be more concerned about what He thinks of me.
 
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I guess I'll leave what He thinks of the world up to Him, and just try to be more concerned about what He thinks of me.

And as the world gets even worse, we must become even better because only the righteous and holy will enter heaven and be with our Father. Revelation 22:11. Of course, the unrighteous and filthy will be with their father. -~~~~~~>
 
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And as the world gets even worse, we must become even better because only the righteous and holy will enter heaven and be with our Father. Revelation 22:11. Of course, the unrighteous and filthy will be with their father. -~~~~~~>
I agree that the wheat and the tares are growing together to maturity.
But we’ve always disagreed on your second point here. I am not working to go to heaven. His work and His righteousness ‘imputed’ to me, saved my spirit and that made me a child of God and heaven my destiny. Since ‘then’ I am working out the salvation of my soul, not to ‘go’ to heaven, but to kick hell out of my soul life here and now. I do so, not to ‘go’ to heaven, but to receive rewards IN heaven.
 
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I agree that the wheat and the tares are growing together to maturity.
But we’ve always disagreed on your second point here. I am not working to go to heaven. His work and His righteousness ‘imputed’ to me, saved my spirit and that made me a child of God and heaven my destiny. Since ‘then’ I am working out the salvation of my soul, not to ‘go’ to heaven, but to kick hell out of my soul life here and now. I do so, not to ‘go’ to heaven, but to receive rewards IN heaven.

We do not do "works" in our own strength, but in cooperation with the Holy Spirit who actually does the work through us. Those that call wrong right, and right wrong and do not do any works at all, probably don't have the Spirit to work through them. That, then in self-righteousness and they are proud of the fact they do not do works. :doh:
 
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We do not do "works" in our own strength, but in cooperation with the Holy Spirit who actually does the work through us. Those that call wrong right, and right wrong and do not do any works at all, probably don't have the Spirit to work through them. That, then in self-righteousness and they are proud of the fact they do not do works. :doh:
Like I said we don't agree on this subject.

No verse anywhere says we do these works by the Holy Spirit. It is the spirit of Christ in me which brings us to glory, not the Holy Spirit.

COL 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

Philippians 4:13 I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.
 
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Like I said we don't agree on this subject.

No verse anywhere says we do these works by the Holy Spirit. It is the spirit of Christ in me which brings us to glory, not the Holy Spirit.

COL 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

Philippians 4:13 I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

I'm sorry if you don't know that when you receive the SPIRIT, you receive the Spirit of the Trinity! They are ONE!

Romans 8:9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.
 
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ROFL ^_^ I'm sorry if you don't know that when you receive the SPIRIT, you receive the Spirit of the Trinity! They are ONE! Excuse me while I pick myself up off the floor!

Romans 8:9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.
Foolish one...not for ROFL, but for believing the lie of translators who often never knew when, or when not to, capitalize the word spirit. I don't see the HOLY Spirit here in your verse. I only see the word spirit capitalized just like the Spirit of Christ should be shouldn't it? Where do you think the "holy spirit of Christ in you" came from???? The devil? Nay lady, it came from the same place that the Spirit of Christ in Jesus came from, as a Spirit of GOD. Jesus never had the Holy Spirit of the trinity come to Him until he was 30 years old. So also the Holy Spirit doesn't come to anyone at the re-birth of their spirit into that of the Spirit of Christ.

HEB 2:17 Therefore he had to be made like his brethren in every respect,
You do know 'when' you became a brethren don't you? When his spirit became ONE with yours.
1CO 6:17 But he who is united to the Lord becomes one spirit with him.
Oh look they forgot to capitalize it here. :doh:

Not that you'll understand it...while ROFL, but I'll post the introduction to my Greek Interlinear where the TRANSLATORS themselves admit their difficulty in knowing when to capitalize spirit because they didn't even know what spirit was being talked about.

And GUESS WHAT....your litmus Roman 8:9 is very verse they use to demonstrate their difficulty. A difficulty you aren't even aware of. And now ROFL, thinking that quoting a bible translated by fundamentalists could be perfect in understanding spiritual things. I think it is I who should be ROFL. But I'm not. I'm truly sad for you and so many others.

INTERLINEAR GREEK ENGLISH NEW TESTAMENT
ZONDERVAN PUBLISHED 1972. Based on STEVENS GREEK TEXT

Introduction page iii

5. Capitals.- The only remark needed here is in reference to the names of God, of Christ, and of the Holy Spirit. The greatest difficulty is touching
the word 'Spirit.' In some places it is very difficult to say whether the Holy Spirit as a person or the spirit of the Christian is referred to (see Rom.8:9) ; and if sometimes a small letter and sometimes a capital had been placed to the word (pneuma in the Greek) and if sometimes a small letter and sometimes a capital had been placed to the word (pneuma), in the Greek, persons would naturally have concluded that the question was thus indisputably settled. It was therefore judged best to put a small s in the Greek everywhere. In the English we have been obliged to put a capital S when the Holy Spirit was referred to and so have retained it wherever we thought this was the case; but in some places it is really doubtful, and becomes a question for the spiritual judgment of the reader.

The Greek will not help in the difficulty, because in the earliest copies every letter was a capital. In the other names we have followed the usage of modern editors; putting in the Greek a capital to Jesus but a small letter for Christ, and a small letter for Lord and for God.


As you can note above dear, true understanding here on this subject is up to the "spiritual judgment of the reader". So I guess the decision lies in His hands as to who here has chosen wisely.

Other than that, I see no need to dialogue with you any more. It really never ends to the glory of God. So why do it? :wave: :wave:
 
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Foolish one...not for ROFL, but for believing the lie of translators who often never knew when, or when not to, capitalize the word spirit. I don't see the HOLY Spirit here in your verse. I only see the word spirit capitalized just like the Spirit of Christ should be shouldn't it? Where do you think the "holy spirit of Christ in you" came from???? The devil? Nay lady, it came from the same place that the Spirit of Christ in Jesus came from, as a Spirit of GOD. Jesus never had the Holy Spirit of the trinity come to Him until he was 30 years old. So also the Holy Spirit doesn't come to anyone at the re-birth of their spirit into that of the Spirit of Christ.

HEB 2:17 Therefore he had to be made like his brethren in every respect,
You do know 'when' you became a brethren don't you? When his spirit became ONE with yours.
1CO 6:17 But he who is united to the Lord becomes one spirit with him.
Oh look they forgot to capitalize it here. :doh:

Not that you'll understand it...while ROFL, but I'll post the introduction to my Greek Interlinear where the TRANSLATORS themselves admit their difficulty in knowing when to capitalize spirit because they didn't even know what spirit was being talked about.

And GUESS WHAT....your litmus Roman 8:9 is very verse they use to demonstrate their difficulty. A difficulty you aren't even aware of. And now ROFL, thinking that quoting a bible translated by fundamentalists could be perfect in understanding spiritual things. I think it is I who should be ROFL. But I'm not. I'm truly sad for you and so many others.

INTERLINEAR GREEK ENGLISH NEW TESTAMENT
ZONDERVAN PUBLISHED 1972. Based on STEVENS GREEK TEXT

Introduction page iii

5. Capitals.- The only remark needed here is in reference to the names of God, of Christ, and of the Holy Spirit. The greatest difficulty is touching
the word 'Spirit.' In some places it is very difficult to say whether the Holy Spirit as a person or the spirit of the Christian is referred to (see Rom.8:9) ; and if sometimes a small letter and sometimes a capital had been placed to the word (pneuma in the Greek) and if sometimes a small letter and sometimes a capital had been placed to the word (pneuma), in the Greek, persons would naturally have concluded that the question was thus indisputably settled. It was therefore judged best to put a small s in the Greek everywhere. In the English we have been obliged to put a capital S when the Holy Spirit was referred to and so have retained it wherever we thought this was the case; but in some places it is really doubtful, and becomes a question for the spiritual judgment of the reader.

The Greek will not help in the difficulty, because in the earliest copies every letter was a capital. In the other names we have followed the usage of modern editors; putting in the Greek a capital to Jesus but a small letter for Christ, and a small letter for Lord and for God.


As you can note above dear, true understanding here on this subject is up to the "spiritual judgment of the reader". So I guess the decision lies in His hands as to who here has chosen wisely.

Other than that, I see no need to dialogue with you any more. It really never ends to the glory of God. So why do it? :wave: :wave:

Yes, it is never an intelligent discussion. For you to think the Holy Spirit is separate from the Spirit of Christ is naive.
 
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Yes and they are fewer now than there was 2000 years ago. But that is beside the point. The point being that spirit and soul are not the same and are not interchangeable with each other.

And @Gideons300 The coming glory.

The Word does tell us it will be 2000 years, did you know that? And it ties with Joel 2.

Hosea 6:1
Come, and let us return to the Lord;
For He has torn, but He will heal us;
He has stricken, but He will bind us up.
2 After two days He will revive us;
On the third day He will raise us up,
That we may live in His sight.

3 Let us know,
Let us pursue the knowledge of the Lord.
His going forth is established as the morning;
He will come to us like the rain,
Like the latter and former rain to the earth.

The two days are since the Jews rejected Jesus and killed him. The one day is the Millennium. The sign of the early and latter rain (the outpouring of the Holy Spirit) will be a sign of both His creation of the Church and before His second coming. We are in the latter rain right now so that can mean only one things. Preach the Word - NOW!

Joel 2 This one shows the outpouring at the second coming as being a "double dose" the early and latter rain together. This is why we are seeing greater miracles now than even in the first century. Many are visiting heaven and seeing the glory cloud in their church, and even angels. The streets are made of pure gold, and the walls are made of jewels. We see manifestations of gold dust on people during praise and worship, and find gems dropped from the sky.

Be glad then, you children of Zion,
And rejoice in the Lord your God;
For He has given you the former rain faithfully,
And He will cause the rain to come down for you—
The former rain,
And the latter
rain in the first month.

24 The threshing floors shall be full of wheat,
And the vats shall overflow with new wine and oil.


25 “So I will restore to you the years that the swarming locust has eaten,
The crawling locust,
The consuming locust,
And the chewing locust,
My great army which I sent among you.
26 You shall eat in plenty and be satisfied,
And praise the name of the Lord your God,
Who has dealt wondrously with you;
And My people shall never be put to shame.
27 Then you shall know that I am in the midst of Israel:
I am the Lord your God
And there is no other.
My people shall never be put to shame.
 
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Saved Christians have Body, Soul and Spirit. Unregenerate men and woman only have Body and Soul, and an unformed spirit ... before coming to God, a man does not really have a true Spirit aspect to his being.
In San Diego, they say non-believers have an empty spirit, and that is why they are searching for Truth. Searchers who are chosen and called get their empty spirits (not filled, but) satisfied with the precious Holy Spirit. But, those whom Jesus baptizes with the Holy Spirit get their spirits filled to overflowing.

In British Columbia, they say non-believers have a dead spirit, and they need it to be made alive. Those who are chosen and called have their dead spirits come alive with the precious Holy Spirit.

IMO, having a dead spirit is more scriptural
than having an empty spirit.
 
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IMO, having a dead spirit is more scriptural
than having an empty spirit

I can agree with this. But I'd still retain the part of my argument that says all humans beings interact with spirits and spiritual forces, be they dead in Spirit or alive with the Spirit of God.
 
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... all human beings interact with spirits and spiritual forces, be they dead in Spirit or alive with the Spirit of God.
Yes, of course they all do!
But, evil spirits (demons) cannot read anyone's thoughts, which is important to know.
I.E. communicating with God is NOT the same
at all as speaking to (commanding) demons.
 
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In San Diego, they say non-believers have an empty spirit, and that is why they are searching for Truth. Searchers who are chosen and called get their empty spirits (not filled, but) satisfied with the precious Holy Spirit. But, those whom Jesus baptizes with the Holy Spirit get their spirits filled to overflowing.

In British Columbia, they say non-believers have a dead spirit, and they need it to be made alive. Those who are chosen and called have their dead spirits come alive with the precious Holy Spirit.

IMO, having a dead spirit is more scriptural
than having an empty spirit.
Neither of which IS scriptural though. What IS scriptural is that a spirit can be "quenched" and "grieved". And what is also scriptural is that "the body without the spirit is dead". I'm pretty assured that a 'dead spirit' isn't going to give life to a dead body. But a "grieved" and "quenched" spirit is going to rob you of the spiritual life that Jesus came to give us. That life being. "Life AND life abundant" and the abundant part isn't to just be a spiritual fat cat. It is to give to those 'in need', to 'spiritually' "taste and see, that the Lord is good". Unfortunately, the nominal church body acts more like a snake than a fruit, when stepped on. A tree ripened fruit on the ground crushes and a snake strikes back. So reminiscent of many posts I've seen. :(

Also, scripture says the 'spirit' must be 'born again' or "born from above" not resurrected from the dead.

And when it is "a new creation" in you, you have access to all the Spiritual fruit promised by scripture since your spirit has become one with the spirit of the Lord Jesus.

1CO 6:17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.

IOW the 'the Sspirit of Christ in you"
 
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Neither of which (empty or dead spirit) IS scriptural though. What IS scriptural
is that a spirit can be "quenched" and "grieved".
Hi, old buddy, old pal ...

We're talking about man's spirit, not the HS.

It makes a lot of sense to me to say ...
because man's spirit is empty, he searches everywhere for the Truth (to fill his spirit).

News Flash ... God has not revealed everything to us in Scripture!
 
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