“Easter” Worship

BWV 565 · Apr 23, 2019

LoAmmi said:
It seems to me like people are trying to read into it too much. I get that it's a bit odd.

That’s fair mate normally much like yourself I’d not have noticed. However the writer of the column is hardly a bible basher he’s not even Christian. It was more the disparity between the reaction to one event set against the other in the article. If the shoe was the on the other foot I’d still find it odd.

I’d link to the article but it’s paywalled and I’m not sure if that would violate site rules. I don’t use Twitter so I’m not sure how easy it is to look up both tweets and compare. Not that I think it worth all that hassle.

I lived in worked in the US for a time politicians could not wait to pander to one group or another. I just find it odd they passed it up. Who were they afraid if upsetting? I doubt it’s Muslims as saying Christian does not automatically implicate Muslims (even though it was a Muslim who carried out the attack).

BWV 565 · Apr 23, 2019

JosephZ said:
Here is President Trump's response to the New Zealand massacre.

"My warmest sympathy and best wishes goes out to the people of New Zealand after the horrible massacre in the Mosques. 49 innocent people have so senselessly died, with so many more seriously injured. The U.S. stands by New Zealand for anything we can do. God bless all!" -- President Donald Trump

He didn't mention the word Muslims or worshiping.

I would not put it past him to have deliberately done so though. I think he’s bigoted towards Muslims not just critical of Islam. Trump did not mention Christians either as far as I know.

He also said 138 million people died from what I read so I pay little notice to what he has to say. I’d expect better from the likes of Obama

LoAmmi · Apr 23, 2019

BWV 565 said:
That’s fair mate normally much like yourself I’d not have noticed. However the writer of the column is hardly a bible basher he’s not even Christian. It was more the disparity between the reaction to one event set against the other in the article. If the shoe was the on the other foot I’d still find it odd.

I’d link to the article but it’s paywalled and I’m not sure if that would violate site rules. I don’t use Twitter so I’m not sure how easy it is to look up both tweets and compare. Not that I think it worth all that hassle.

I lived in worked in the US for a time politicians could not wait to pander to one group or another. I just find it odd they passed it up. Who were they afraid if upsetting? I doubt it’s Muslims as saying Christian does not automatically implicate Muslims (even though it was a Muslim who carried out the attack).

Here's the question I always ask. Muslims make up less than 1% of the population of the US. Christians make up something like 70-80%. What's the goal of catering to Muslims? They don't even typically live in swing states.

BWV 565 · Apr 23, 2019

LoAmmi said:
Here's the question I always ask. Muslims make up less than 1% of the population of the US. Christians make up something like 70-80%. What's the goal of catering to Muslims? They don't even typically live in swing states.

I don’t think they pander to muslims but rather the left-wing activists who hold Islam to be an oppressed force for good in the world.

I’m not replying to you specificity here but I’m not outraged. I was curious as the tweets seemed strange even if they were virtue signalling to the intersectional crowd. I thought perhaps I was missing something and wanted an American perspective.

Instead I’m portrayed as being an outraged, right-wing, Fox News watching Trump supporter. People seem to have misjudged me quite a bit sadly.

LoAmmi · Apr 23, 2019

BWV 565 said:
I don’t think they pander to muslims but rather the left-wing activists who hold Islam to be an oppressed force for good in the world.

I’m not replying to you specificity here but I’m not outraged. I was curious as the tweets seemed strange even if they were virtue signalling to the intersectional crowed. I thought perhaps I was missing something and wanted an American perspective.

Instead I’m portrayed as being an outraged, rightwing, Fox News watching Trump supporter. People seemed to have misjudged me quite a bit sadly.

I'm on the left. I don't view Islam that way. To be fair, I don't view *any* religion that way.

JosephZ · Apr 23, 2019

BWV 565 said:
I would not put it past him to have deliberately done so though. I think he’s bigoted towards Muslims not just critical of Islam. Trump did not mention Christians either as far as I know.

He also said 138 million people died from what I read so I pay little notice to what he has to say. I’d expect better from the likes of Obama

That very well may be true, I also wouldn't put it past him to intentionally do that.

On the subject of "Easter Worshipers," here is an example I found where the term was used to describe Christians in an everyday setting.

As the sun crept above the horizon on a backsplash of golden sky, thousands of Easter worshippers stood ready to greet it, reveling in the beauty of a sunrise that appeared to have been painted by God himself.

Thousands flock to Easter sunrise service in Old Salem

Those who have a problem with people like Hillary Clinton and President Obama using the term "Easter Worshipers" to describe Christians are just nit picking. It's quite pathetic actually. There's obviously nothing wrong with using that term because everyone in the world will automatically identify it with Christians.

BWV 565 · Apr 23, 2019

JosephZ said:
That very well may be true, I also wouldn't put it past him to intentionally do that.

On the subject of "Easter Worshipers," here is an example I found where the term was used to describe Christians in an everyday setting.

As the sun crept above the horizon on a backsplash of golden sky, thousands of Easter worshippers stood ready to greet it, reveling in the beauty of a sunrise that appeared to have been painted by God himself.

Thousands flock to Easter sunrise service in Old Salem

Those who have a problem with people like Hillary Clinton and President Obama using the term "Easter Worshipers" to describe Christians are just nit picking. It's quite pathetic actually. There's obviously nothing wrong with using that term because everyone in the world will automatically identify it with Christians.

I did not say the term was offensive or that I was offended by it. It was the contrasting behaviour when it came to an attack on a mosque vs church.

They could not stress Muslim enough. How it was an attack on Muslims, the Muslim community and humanity (paraphrasing but accurate). When worshipers attending mosque would have sufficed if the same standard was applied.

anna ~ grace · Apr 23, 2019

BWV 565 said:
I did not say the term was offensive or that I was offended by it. It was the contrasting behaviour when it came to an attack on a mosque vs church.

They could not stress Muslim enough. How it was an attack on Muslims, the Muslim community and humanity (paraphrasing but accurate). When worshipers attending mosque would have sufficed if the same standard was applied.

Yes, I agree. Describing them as Christians specifically makes it sound more like they are being targeted because they are Christians, which they were. It is an act of violence against Christians, simply for being Christians.

Whereas the New Zealand mosque attacks were covered as "Muslims attacked / massacred", which makes it sound like those worshippers were targeted because they were Muslims, which, of course, they were.

So in both cases, worshippers were targeted because of their faith. But the wording is different for Christians.

LoAmmi · Apr 23, 2019

BWV 565 said:
It does to me and sadly both the Democrats and the UK Labour seem to be embracing it. I can’t vote in the US elections but I do not see a viable challenge to Trump.

I certainly don’t agree with most of his policies but I think he was a needed shock to the system. I don’t think he will accomplish anything of merit if he is elected again. Unfortunately I do not see an alternative.

Well, I have to disagree.

BWV 565 · Apr 23, 2019

Speedwell said:
The only thing he seems to be accomplishing is appointing right-wing judges to give his Evangelical supporters an end-run around the "free exercise of religion" clause of the First Amendment to the Constitution. They love him for it and will put up with anything else he does, however egregious.

I’d agree at least that’s how it seems to me. A gay friend of mine voted Democrat purely on the gay marriage issue. She is now extremely Republican. I can’t understand being a single issue voter myself.

I don’t want to side track this thread into abortion. I am morally against abortion but I understand the reasons why some abortion should be permitted. I think the current state of affairs is horrendous but that could be solved culturally in my opinion.

I’m completely against trying to pack the courts to the point of an imbalance. As I know all to well that politics in America colours justice and the reading of the law. We are heading down that route here.

BWV 565 · Apr 23, 2019

LoAmmi said:
Well, I have to disagree.

That’s fine to clarify I meant I don’t think they can win. Who do you think could beat Trump? You don’t have ti answer but I’m not going to criticise you for your answer.

LoAmmi · Apr 23, 2019

BWV 565 said:
That’s fine to clarify I meant I don’t think they can win. Who do you think could beat Trump? You don’t have ti answer but I’m not going to criticise you for your answer.

I think Bernie could. He can resonate well with a lot of middle class folks.

JosephZ · Apr 23, 2019

BWV 565 said:
I did not say the term was offensive or that I was offended by it. It was the contrasting behaviour when it came to an attack on a mosque vs church.

They could not stress Muslim enough. How it was an attack on Muslims, the Muslim community and humanity (paraphrasing but accurate). When worshipers attending mosque would have sufficed if the same standard was applied.

When I do a google search, these are the types of headlines that appear.

Blasts Targeting Christians Kill Hundreds in Sri Lanka -- The New York Times
The Sri Lanka attacks reflect an era of global Christian persecution -- The Daily Telegraph
Easter bombings leave Sri Lankan Christians reeling in shock -- CNN
Outside the US, Persecution of Christians Is Real As Sri Lanka Bombings Show -- New York Magazine
A Massacre of Christians -- Wall Street Journal
For Christians in Sri Lanka, violence is at once old and new -- Washington Post
Christians in Sri Lanka apparently targeted in coordinated bombings -- Hawaii News Now
Easter bombings leave Sri Lankan Christians reeling in shock -- WISC
Why are Sri Lankan Christians the latest target of hate crimes? -- MSN
Christians in Sri Lanka apparently targeted in coordinated bombings -- WAFB

Even news stories without Christians in the title, mention Christians in the content. I'm not seeing a double standard being applied to Muslims vs. Christians in the coverage they receive.

It does appear that Muslims get more attention by the media when they are the perpetrators of attacks though. Terror Attacks By Muslims Get 357 Percent More Media Coverage Than Other Terror Attacks, Study Shows

BWV 565 · Apr 23, 2019

JosephZ said:
When I do a google search, these are the types of headlines that appear.

Blasts Targeting Christians Kill Hundreds in Sri Lanka -- The New York Times
The Sri Lanka attacks reflect an era of global Christian persecution -- The Daily Telegraph
Easter bombings leave Sri Lankan Christians reeling in shock -- CNN
Outside the US, Persecution of Christians Is Real As Sri Lanka Bombings Show -- New York Magazine
A Massacre of Christians -- Wall Street Journal
For Christians in Sri Lanka, violence is at once old and new -- Washington Post
Christians in Sri Lanka apparently targeted in coordinated bombings -- Hawaii News Now
Easter bombings leave Sri Lankan Christians reeling in shock -- WISC
Why are Sri Lankan Christians the latest target of hate crimes? -- MSN
Christians in Sri Lanka apparently targeted in coordinated bombings -- WAFB

Even news stories without Christians in the title, mention Christians in the content. I'm not seeing a double standard being applied to Muslims vs. Christians in the coverage they receive.

It does appear that Muslims get more attention by the media when they are the perpetrators of attacks though. https://news.gsu.edu/2019/02/19/terror-attacks-by-muslims-get-disproportionate-news-coverage/

I was not talking about Google I was referring to tweets made by Obama, Clinton and some other politicians and pundits.

I fail to see how Google search results which you can influence depending on search terms. Has anything to do with how the people mentioned reacted differently when comparing both sets of attacks.

You’ve completely missed the point and I can only conclude it’s intentional as I’ve made this clear in previous replies.

Edit

I’d wager muslims commit far more terrorists attacks than any other a religion at this point in time. The Australian man who attacked the mosque was an atheist as far as I know.

JosephZ · Apr 23, 2019

BWV 565 said:
I was not talking about Google I was referring to tweets made by Obama, Clinton and some other politicians and pundits.

I thought you also had an issue with how things were being reported in the media based on what you had said earlier in the thread.

BWV 565 said:
Rather than disprove anything this seems to confirm that the two religions are not giving equal or fair coverage.

BWV 565 said:
Amazingly I was not throwing any sort of fit just wondered why it was worded so awkwardly. I live in the UK so no Fox News here I cannot comment on their coverage. I was referring to an article in a British magazine.

The most recent synagogue attack was obviously covered differently here. As the fact they were Jewish was played up to emphasise the white suprematist “Nazi” angle in our press. However if what you say is true that’s just further proof that one religion seems to be held in higher regard than the rest.

BWV 565 said:
You’ve completely missed the point and I can only conclude it’s intentional as I’ve made this clear in previous replies.

My first reply to you addressed the tweets. You then went on to talk about coverage in the media among many other things, so it was hard to follow what you were trying to get at. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

BWV 565 said:
I fail to see how Google search results which you can influence depending on search terms. Has anything to do with how the people mentioned reacted differently when comparing both sets of attacks.

I typed in "Sri Lanka," set the date for April 22, 2019, searched in News, and those results came up. They weren't all on the first page, but I didn't have to scroll through many to get those results.

BWV 565 said:
The Australian man who attacked the mosque was an atheist as far as I know.

I doubt an atheist would ever make the following statement:

"To Christians the people worthy of glory, the people blessed by God Our Lord..." -- Brenton Tarrant

TheBear · Apr 23, 2019

BWV 565 said:
Hello All,

I do apologise if this has already been covered. I did have a quick look and didn’t see it mentioned I’m sorry if I missed it. I’ve been busy lately I will soon be married and obviously it has taken up a lot of my time. I’ve not been keeping an eye on politics and the news.

My question is primarily for the American users here. Why did so many people when referring to the attacks in Sri Lanka cite “Easter Worship” rather than call it an attack on Christians. Many of the same people were quick to call the Christchurch shooting an attack on Muslims, “the Muslim Community” or Islam.

Are things really so bad on the American left that the mere mention of Christianity is frowned upon?

I’d end by saying I do not use Twitter but a few articles I’ve read have made mention of tweets from Obama and Clinton et al. These people no longer aspire to office so why not call a spade a spade?

It could be worse. It could be an Omar-style, casual - "Some people did some things in Sri Lanka" type reference.

Chesterton · Apr 23, 2019

essentialsaltes said:
I wonder how many people had to read an article before they were outraged about it.

What does that mean?

No one was expressing concern or confusion or outrage at the AP 3 days ago.

No one reads apnews.

The Faceless · Apr 23, 2019

Important to remember, brothers and sisters, that Satan doesn't attack his own kingdom.

Belk · Apr 23, 2019

Chesterton said:
What does that mean?

No one reads apnews.

No one reads the associated press?

wing2000 · Apr 23, 2019

BWV 565 said:
Hello All,

I do apologise if this has already been covered. I did have a quick look and didn’t see it mentioned I’m sorry if I missed it. I’ve been busy lately I will soon be married and obviously it has taken up a lot of my time. I’ve not been keeping an eye on politics and the news.

My question is primarily for the American users here. Why did so many people when referring to the attacks in Sri Lanka cite “Easter Worship” rather than call it an attack on Christians. Many of the same people were quick to call the Christchurch shooting an attack on Muslims, “the Muslim Community” or Islam.

Are things really so bad on the American left that the mere mention of Christianity is frowned upon?

I’d end by saying I do not use Twitter but a few articles I’ve read have made mention of tweets from Obama and Clinton et al. These people no longer aspire to office so why not call a spade a spade?

I don't know who you mean by "so many people", but here is one lead off article from WaPa

At least 290 killed in Easter Sunday attacks on churches and hotels.

April 22
COLOMBO, Sri Lanka — Suicide bombers struck churches and hotels in Sri Lanka on Easter Sunday, killing more than 290 people in a highly coordinated attack targeting Christians and foreigners that left this island nation reeling.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...bc984dc9eec_story.html?utm_term=.3b8b63f960e9

Frankly, I question your premise.

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